To be honest, while your precious Mac is “locked down” and it’s secure and stable and clean and all that other “marketing selling point” gimmick crap they have you memorize… the truth is:

Mac is just like Key Lime Pie. You might like it, others might like it, but to some people it just looks and tastes like cr@pola. And another thing, if your Mac is so great tell me why it can’t support everything made by game developers besides the biggest mainstream hits? Oh wait it can, if you pay money to port WINDOWS onto it, to play those games.

And lastly, whose right is it to say I switched over to Mac just because I like an all purpose media player phone device made by them? Not you or anyone else, because the truth of the fact remains, I still wont use their computers even if I do use their devices.

I hope open source gets the chance some day to code for Mac OS-X, I really do, that’ll shut all you zealots up about your precious Macs being “locked down”. I still say Linux and Windows are far more superior for either their open source or their convenience, respectively.

Until Mac realize their product still has some flaws to be worked out, it’ll never win me over.

You’re beating a dead horse with your Open Source. It’s beside the point, and just embarrassing.

There are at least four other people at the very beginning of this thread who indicated not wanting Apple losing control of what is/what isn’t available on the iPhone… but for whatever reason (once again) I am the one targeted. That’s okay, though… really. And you didn’t try “a reasonable discussion”… you tried to force your unrelated prepared speech down everyone’s throat.

I don’t know what else to say. Nobody cares about the history of Open source and whatever Apple played/plays in it. It simply not the subject matter here and never was.

You proved no one wrong. If you did, people wouldn’t be jailbreaking. YOU deal with it.

Goodbye. I’m off to other threads to be singled out once again.

@Chobbs:

As I’ve already stated… I always post my opinions here in straight forward, intelligent language, while not offending anyone else. However, it never fails… someone has to always come along and attack my opinion (when there are others who agree with me) then proceed to call me names simply because they disagree with me in other threads and remember my name. Well, it’s just too bad for them. This site can either ban me, or others here can choose to grow up and realize this blog is for OPINIONS! And by opinions, I’m referring to my ORIGINAL POSTS which always seem to attract these self-righteous trolls.

./messaging

send sms -r -t 72 -n reply -c 160 “fassy, open source would totally suck on the iPhone”

Or; Tap > Tap > “loser”

I know which one I’d prefer!

For about 1/17th of a post iwas agreeing with you till your progishness came out.

I love the iPhone as is and will be patient for the folks at apple or a clever developer come out with with next “stale” feature.

I am an average schmo that just wants the darn thing to do what it is supposed to do. I do not want to have to learn how to write code just to send a text or answer a call or even watch a tv show.

Keep up the good work Apple. I will pay through the nose to have your products.

Not at all, Steve, but I’m aware of the Board Rules, so my post tried to suggest the verb form of “joke” was in play rather than the noun form.

I feel sorry for you. You need to get laid.

Well, I never argued that Apple didn’t use Open Source. I’ve only been using Macs since 1987…

I just don’t want Apple allowing a bunch of nerdy outsiders to make junk for the iPhone. I’ve been wanting a smartphone for several years that I could actually use. Well, I finally have one. But now, the very people who called us all outcasts and argued for decades that Macs suck, suddenly want to cross over to the better side of the tracks and ruin our neighborhood too. Apple may want people to switch, but I don’t. I want them all to suffer so I can laugh at them.

@Steve They did lock it down, and it helped them make a polished UI we all enjoy using. No argument there. That does not change the fact that Apple relies heavily on a plethora of open source components, both in the core and in applications, behind the scenes.

@Frog Of course you do not have to compile Safari — that is not, and never has been, what Open Source means. Furthermore, you are 100% wrong about UNIX — UNIX was developed openly at UC-Berekely, and most versions throughout its history have been free. OSX itself is based on FreeBSD, one of the many open source UNIX variants, and Mach, whose major developments came about as an open response to the more closed work being done by Sun and AT&T.

If not me, perhaps you might listen to Apple itself?

From developer-dot-apple-dot-com-slash-opensource

“If you like open source development, you’ll love Mac OS X. This fully-conformant UNIX operating system—built on Mach 3.0 and FreeBSD 5—bundles over a hundred of the most popular Open Source products”

“Mac OS X also includes the Open Source WebKit HTML rendering engine that powers the Safari web browser, Dashboard, and other Mac OS X applications. WebKit is derived from the Open Source KHTML project, and includes support for JavaScript, Java applets, DOM manipulation, CSS, and more.

Mac OS X combines a robust and open foundation with the richness and usability of the Macintosh interface, bringing Open Source and UNIX technology to the mass market.”

If you still do not believe me, and you do not even believe Apple, look for yourself at a partial list of these packages at: apple-dot-com-slash-opensource

Open Source made the Mac and iPhone, in their present forms, possible — it is a simple fact. Jeez, I am not saying Apple should not or cannot lock down what they build on top of BSD-licensed Open Source. I am glad they did — the BSD process, including the work down at NeXT, produced a much more solid and tested UNIX implementation than Apple alone could have, and Apple put together a user experience light years ahead of what any other UNIX vendor has to date.

@Frog Of course you do not have to compile Safari — that is not, and never has been, what Open Source means. Furthermore, you are 100% wrong about UNIX — UNIX was developed openly at UC-Berekely, and most versions throughout its history have been free. OSX itself is based on FreeBSD, one of the many open source UNIX variants, and Mach, whose major developments came about as an open response to the more closed work being done by Sun and AT&T.

If not me, perhaps you might listen to Apple itself?

From http://developer.apple.com/opensource/index.html

“If you like open source development, you’ll love Mac OS X. This fully-conformant UNIX operating system—built on Mach 3.0 and FreeBSD 5—bundles over a hundred of the most popular Open Source products”

“Mac OS X also includes the Open Source WebKit HTML rendering engine that powers the Safari web browser, Dashboard, and other Mac OS X applications. WebKit is derived from the Open Source KHTML project, and includes support for JavaScript, Java applets, DOM manipulation, CSS, and more.

Mac OS X combines a robust and open foundation with the richness and usability of the Macintosh interface, bringing Open Source and UNIX technology to the mass market.”

If you still do not believe me, and you do not even believe Apple, look for yourself at a partial list of these packages at: http://www.apple.com/opensource/

Open Source made the Mac and iPhone, in their present forms, possible — it is a simple fact. Jeez, I am not saying Apple should not or cannot lock down what they build on top of BSD-licensed Open Source. I am glad they did — the BSD process, including the work down at NeXT, produced a much more solid and tested UNIX implementation than Apple alone could have, and Apple put together a user experience light years ahead of what any other UNIX vendor has to date.

Coming from a guy running a computer and a phone running an operating system stolen from the OPEN SOURCE BSD community with a browser stolen from the OPEN SOURCE KDE community this is a very witty tongue-in-cheek remark.

You have a very sly sense of humor there Stevie

Bullsh!t. Lock it down.

Both open and closed development have a place. Open Source development gives many people a stake in both the direction and the outcome. At its best, it results in more open, more flexible, and more robust products. These advantages really shine when it comes to infrastructure or any product that works for a variety of people or situations. Closed development has a single (or at most a few) backers. At its best, it results in a product that adheres closely to a singular, focused vision. This advantage really shines when it comes to usability and design elements.

The iPhone is way ahead of Android right not not because it is entirely closed, but because it embraces both models where appropriate for the product. For all its strengths, 100% open development can descend into chaos, just as, for all its strengths, 100% closed often hits a dead end. Apple, to their credit, manages to walk the tightrope, leveraging both approaches.

Apple may not be as open as many people want, but there is no denying that when the visionary is smart, the singular vision works very well. However, I am not so blinded by admiration to deny the contributions that open source has made, and will continue to make, to Apple products.

Second reason is VIRUSES! Apple has had almost none. Windows has addon’s and all types of monitors. My Iphone is clean. I like the fact that my phone can move faster than I can think. ALL WINDOWS PHONES ARE SLOW. I like the click and program open and home button close quickly.

I still want some MMS and Copy/Paste… and some other new features.