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	<title>Comments on: iPhone, Skype, and Dumb Pipes: The Future of Cell Carriers</title>
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		<title>By: oneAwake</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2009/04/09/iphone-skype-dumb-pipes-future-cell-carriers/comment-page-1/#comment-40162</link>
		<dc:creator>oneAwake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 23:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@The Reptile&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I guess you did not get the memo, there are laptops being sold with Verizon technology built in.  Also, Verizon plans to start directly selling NetBooks from their stores.  Sprint has a similar getup!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@The Reptile</p>

<p>I guess you did not get the memo, there are laptops being sold with Verizon technology built in.  Also, Verizon plans to start directly selling NetBooks from their stores.  Sprint has a similar getup!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: icebike</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2009/04/09/iphone-skype-dumb-pipes-future-cell-carriers/comment-page-1/#comment-40157</link>
		<dc:creator>icebike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 22:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Albert&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;I think carriers can take that deal, it won’t be hugely profitable, but it’ll be revenue maintained, &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You are exactly correct.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Carriers are in an arms race now.  And if you look at their 10Ks none of them are sitting on a pile of gold.  Building infrastructure costs money.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Almost all of this money is last-mile money.  (Handset to cell tower).  Once your handset reaches the cell tower its all traveling on the exact same fiber that carries the internet traffic, and its packetized in the exact same formats as your web surfing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So its really no skin off their teeth if they carry data or voice.  Its all the same to them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They give away mobile to mobile and evening and weekends (most carriers do any way) so they are not starved for revenue from minutes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They are tight on (and trying to manage) carrier-to-carrier transfer and peak usage periods.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If they become more data-centric, they may have to impose some similar billing schemes for data.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But if they can now carry unlimited data in prime time (as ATT does) they can probably continue to do this, because once they get it to the tower they can just dump it on the internet, which still costs, but not as much as voice circuits, as the inter-carrier fees go away.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So in the end I would think the carriers would welcome things like skype.  Its not as bandwidth heavy as most people think.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Albert</p>

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  <p>I think carriers can take that deal, it won’t be hugely profitable, but it’ll be revenue maintained, </p>
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<p>You are exactly correct.</p>

<p>Carriers are in an arms race now.  And if you look at their 10Ks none of them are sitting on a pile of gold.  Building infrastructure costs money.  </p>

<p>Almost all of this money is last-mile money.  (Handset to cell tower).  Once your handset reaches the cell tower its all traveling on the exact same fiber that carries the internet traffic, and its packetized in the exact same formats as your web surfing.</p>

<p>So its really no skin off their teeth if they carry data or voice.  Its all the same to them.</p>

<p>They give away mobile to mobile and evening and weekends (most carriers do any way) so they are not starved for revenue from minutes.</p>

<p>They are tight on (and trying to manage) carrier-to-carrier transfer and peak usage periods.</p>

<p>If they become more data-centric, they may have to impose some similar billing schemes for data.  </p>

<p>But if they can now carry unlimited data in prime time (as ATT does) they can probably continue to do this, because once they get it to the tower they can just dump it on the internet, which still costs, but not as much as voice circuits, as the inter-carrier fees go away.</p>

<p>So in the end I would think the carriers would welcome things like skype.  Its not as bandwidth heavy as most people think.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2009/04/09/iphone-skype-dumb-pipes-future-cell-carriers/comment-page-1/#comment-40136</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 21:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;DO NOT BUY SKYPE CREDIT
&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.shopztar.com/dotnetnuke/MostPopularArticlesThisMonth/DoNotBuySkypeCredit/tabid/97/Default.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Read This First&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DO NOT BUY SKYPE CREDIT
<b><a href="http://www.shopztar.com/dotnetnuke/MostPopularArticlesThisMonth/DoNotBuySkypeCredit/tabid/97/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">Read This First</a></b></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2009/04/09/iphone-skype-dumb-pipes-future-cell-carriers/comment-page-1/#comment-40120</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m skeptical about this happening anytime soon.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wish they&#039;d also talk about doing something about minutes. I&#039;d like a smaller plan than 450 per month. I think I have 2,000 rollover minutes that I&#039;ll never use (but I can&#039;t send a few texts without them charging me). :roll:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;sigh&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm skeptical about this happening anytime soon.</p>

<p>I wish they'd also talk about doing something about minutes. I'd like a smaller plan than 450 per month. I think I have 2,000 rollover minutes that I'll never use (but I can't send a few texts without them charging me). <img src='http://www.imore.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

<p><em>sigh</em></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Albert</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2009/04/09/iphone-skype-dumb-pipes-future-cell-carriers/comment-page-1/#comment-40112</link>
		<dc:creator>Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;You supply the bandwidth, keep the bits open and neutral, and I’ll pay for the service same way I pay for my electricity and plug in whatever gadget I want. Deal?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think carriers can take that deal, it won&#039;t be hugely profitable, but it&#039;ll be revenue maintained, and innovation for better wireless technologies will slow down, but end users will have choices of services.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"You supply the bandwidth, keep the bits open and neutral, and I’ll pay for the service same way I pay for my electricity and plug in whatever gadget I want. Deal?"</p>

<p>I think carriers can take that deal, it won't be hugely profitable, but it'll be revenue maintained, and innovation for better wireless technologies will slow down, but end users will have choices of services.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: icebike</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2009/04/09/iphone-skype-dumb-pipes-future-cell-carriers/comment-page-1/#comment-40104</link>
		<dc:creator>icebike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;“The way the world is going, it’ll just be, ‘How much data do you want to buy?’ and you do whatever you want over that data.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Talks a good line, but he blocks Skype, Tethering, etc. 
No, I don&#039;t think ATT is yet on board with their new status as pipesmith to the masses.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>
  <p>“The way the world is going, it’ll just be, ‘How much data do you want to buy?’ and you do whatever you want over that data.”</p>
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<p>Talks a good line, but he blocks Skype, Tethering, etc. 
No, I don't think ATT is yet on board with their new status as pipesmith to the masses.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s more likely we&#039;ll be paying for more speed and DSL will eventually fade away along with home phone services.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's more likely we'll be paying for more speed and DSL will eventually fade away along with home phone services.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ELH</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2009/04/09/iphone-skype-dumb-pipes-future-cell-carriers/comment-page-1/#comment-40094</link>
		<dc:creator>ELH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;quote
Sounds good to me. Let’s make a deal, carriers. You supply the bandwidth, keep the bits open and neutral, and I’ll pay for the service same way I pay for my electricity and plug in whatever gadget I want. Deal?
/quote&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I transfer too many bytes in and out of my network to want a metered service...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quote
Sounds good to me. Let’s make a deal, carriers. You supply the bandwidth, keep the bits open and neutral, and I’ll pay for the service same way I pay for my electricity and plug in whatever gadget I want. Deal?
/quote</p>

<p>I transfer too many bytes in and out of my network to want a metered service...</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: The Reptile</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2009/04/09/iphone-skype-dumb-pipes-future-cell-carriers/comment-page-1/#comment-40082</link>
		<dc:creator>The Reptile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Probably data and speed like they do with DSL today.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyway, AT&amp;T sees the world a bit differently than Verizon.  They&#039;re selling or are planning to sell NetBooks in their stores.  It seems like it will be a more popular option than offering network cards because you get a PC and card built into one.  This new revenue stream opens the door to other networked devices on AT&amp;T and while they become our mobile dumb pipes they will generate revenue to replace voice.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We&#039;ll see how Verizon responds.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably data and speed like they do with DSL today.  </p>

<p>Anyway, AT&amp;T sees the world a bit differently than Verizon.  They're selling or are planning to sell NetBooks in their stores.  It seems like it will be a more popular option than offering network cards because you get a PC and card built into one.  This new revenue stream opens the door to other networked devices on AT&amp;T and while they become our mobile dumb pipes they will generate revenue to replace voice.</p>

<p>We'll see how Verizon responds.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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