I beleive we are on the same page. We both pay for our digital music, and don’t believe we would steal it. I misunderstood your point, and for that, I apologize.

There was a lot of mud-slinging on this issue. I don’t think it needs to be. I don’t know you. How is it you think you know me? You have no knowledge of the “standards I live by”. Perhaps you could use caution as you make such judgements. Or save it. That would be best.

As far as the price hike: I was used to using my own music, already purchased or given to me, which I could make into ringtones, etc. When I got my iPhone, I felt like I was moving backwards. A higher price feels like more of the same to me.

Greg – Toilet paper and taking a DUMP (as you so eloquently put it). That’s your best argument? Really? Actually, though let’s expand a bit on your thought. We’ve established that it’s ok to use the TP. But what if I was to take the entire roll to take home and use for myself, because I just felt that I didn’t want to buy my own. Is that stealing?

Spicerak – I love your “get off your soapbox” rant as you practically trip while scrambling to get up on yours. Classic. At least i’m aware that I’m on mine. How about you? But, I do have to disagree with you on one point you made. It really is Black and White. If it doesn’t belong to you, and you haven’t paid for it, and you take it, then it’s stealing. End of story. The only thing that is Grey is your own sense of right and wrong and the standards you live by. And saying ” that’s just the way everything and everyone else is, so it makes it ok for me”, is just plain sad. Be your own person.

Again no judgement from me about people as a whole. Just judging the specific act. And no anna I will not buy you a song unless you tell me that you at least admit that piracy is wrong. If you do that I will happily buy you two!

I’ll say it again: Not everyone has the same morals. And that makes the world an unfair place. That is sad but also a truth.

I will even venture to say that there are rarely situations where “all or nothing” mentality applies. Right and wrong will always be up to interpretation.

The public reacts to what feels like injustice. There would not be a trend of pirating if the public perceived fairness from the wealthiest among us. I never said this was right or wrong. Just what it is.

Downloading songs through peer-peer does not affect you. I also don’t think I’m putting a dent in the music execs ability to pay off his/her Lamborghini or multi-million dollar home.

@kevin I was being a mostly sarcastic but yeah I guess it is a little wrong, maybe. Like I said when it comes to corporate America I don’t feel bad. Take for example: cracked apps, I haven’t even entertained the idea of getting my apps that way. I don’t take from the “little guy” =) .

Just remember that (you are right) life is absolutely not fair, the music industry is not fair, the law is not fair, you have made the obvious clear. But where exactly is it that you’ll draw the line for yourself? A little music here, a freinds magazine perhaps, well how about a dollor from a large company that’ll never miss it… Pacticing this then soon becomes normal behavior. And still you’ll feel justified (why, again) well it doesn’t matter. I’m not hurting anyone.

Can’t y’all see thpoint now?

@Greg Iphone User: The toilet paper is there for you to use. Therefore, it’s not stealing. You should be embarrassed that someone even has to explain that to you. Seems you’re also not even ready to discuss this.

You’re both nothing but thieves.

-Is it wrong to voice record a song on the radio and then listen to it as gym music? Is that stealing? You all are CRAZY!!

If I take a DUMP in a public rest room, I use the toilet paper. Is that my toilet paper? No but I use it and flush. I say this and wonder why people get so heated!

Stealing or not, you AQUIRE the music some way or another. Price hikes are not fair. Not everyone can get as biblical as ya’ll and quote things like god don’t like a thief.

If you buy something that you did not know was stolen you know you can still be prosecuted for it? What if apple stole music and sold it to you. You all would be in trouble also. So chill with the morals.

Take all you can while you can because it won’t be there for long.

The world is not a fair place. Once that truth sinks in, life is a little easier to understand.

I tend to get my music from friends that make mixes for me. Under the strict moral “code” that has been drummed here, there would be no such thing as a mix or customized CD. There certainly would be a lot less gifts under the Christmas trees and at birthday parties.

Seriously, it’s hard to hear a lot of judgment about consumers acting in their own personal interest when corporations are doing the same. The whole thing is flawed. I don’t think any consumer is “scum”. I think the situation is simple unfair and very much life. Sad to say.

I don’t want to pay .99 for a song, let alone $1.29, but that’s life.

Are you confident that you need to have that mp3 track to make you happy? If so I’ll buy one for you. I don’t have much money bit if it makes you happy I’ll buy you two. How about if I don’t buy that box of cereal for my son and I buy you three. Will you finally be satisfied? As long as your satisfied mevermind the people around you right?

What court case was that, Frazam? I’d love to look that one up. Can you provide it, please?

Ana – so it’s ok, as long as it doesn’t hurt you, then? Oh well. I at least give you credit for admitting what you doing is wrong.

Sorry guys but I have NO problem taking away from the big guys!

I must admit, I have purchased maybe 3 songs in my life……….yes, I’m a horrible, terrible, morally challenged, music stealing girl… oh well life goes on.

My way of of supporting my favorite artists(because we all know they’re hurting for cash) is by going to their shows. I will be going to see depeche mode in a couple months!! <3 and tickets are not cheap.

A good friend, in your example, would let you listen to the cd, to see if you like it and if it’s worth spending your money on, and then suggest you go buy it if you really like it. I didn’t pay $12.99 for a cd I like, so you can steal it for free from me. That doesn’t make you a very good friend to me, in my book. It means you view yourself as better than me, since I follow by the rules, and you feel you don’t have to.

Sorry mate. There’s really nothing you can say that would ever convince me otherwise. I would expect to treat others how I would like to be treated. If it was my intellectual property you were stealing, I wouldn’t like it. Just like if it was your intellectual property or real property, you wouldn’t either.

Drew – Its completely the same. Your taking something that you didn’t pay for, and doesn’t belong to you. What’s the definition of stealing again? Look it up.

Seriously. I think the music industry is a bunch of money grubbing, talentless hacks and fakes too. But I’m not going to steal from them to prove that point. If I did, I’d be worse than they are. If I want to get my point across, I just won’t buy the music. Plain and simple. Thats why I’d stab myself in the eyes, before I’d ever buy a Britney Spears album. Talentless fakes don’t deserve reward. But they also deserve the right to try to peddle their waste of space existence for they’re own profit. That’s, unfortunately, part of the American Dream. But, if everyone just kept from buying it, they’d get the message.

So if you don’t like it, don’t buy it. But don’t steal it either. You can try to convince yourself you’re justified in doing it, but you’re not.

So, while I don’t download music or movies illegally, I’m not shedding any tears for these multimillion dollar artists and recording companies when someone does.

Again, downloading a song off the net is not nearly the same thing as going into someone’s house and stealing from them so let’s stop the posturing

As I said:

Scum.

Your pathetic.

And copying a file is stealing if it’s content does not belong to you and you do not have permission to copy it. I am not judging you as a whole but only your action of stealing.

Scum.

App for spotify needed all u devs

Well all I can say that I tunes and the likes of are gonna have to have a serious re think on prices now . On this new site I can listen to pretty much anything for free . It is well setup and works just like iTunes. No more losing memory for mix at home at least.

Just really upset that fellow iphone users are among the rif raf of our community

I think I might just go back to buying CDs. Overpriced singles and “album only” songs are causing Apple to lose more than a few customers.

Seems like Jobs got hungry and decided to eat our carrot.

And seriously where the hell is the 69 cent songs

Again, why hate your customers?