MS give out free updates for WIndows. The service packs they release add heaps pf functionality. For free. Why, in this day and age, would upgrades to an OS be charged for? We haven’t paid for incremental updates ever, on any platform.

Again, swirlymms (jailbreak app) has identical code sending and receiving MMS on both 3G and 2G iPhones. If the 2G was hardware incapable, this would not be possible. Clearly, it is NOT a hardware issue.

Um, OK. See, when I bought the 3G iphone, it had so many issues I was ready to take it back. The iTunes backup took (no joke) up to 45 minutes, the scroll wheel action was sluggish, and Safari crashed over and over. I kept that iphone ONLY because I knew they were working on updates. Had I been told Apple was going to charge me even $1 to make my POS iPhone into a good iPhone, I would have returned it JUST AS FAST as if I had been told they were never going to update (read “fix”) my phone at all.

So, sorry, that is NOT free software. Now, moving from 1.0 to 2.0 to 3.0 is an entirely different story. But 2.2 to 2.2.1 had better be free. We can talk about full-point updates later.

Was I entitled to updates that made a disfunctional phone a working phone – when I’m tied to it for two years and paid $299? YOU BET! If Apple wants me to fork over $299 for the iPhone 3.0, that is. Otherwise, I’d be looking at the Blackberry Storm or the Palm Pre.

No MMS never bothered me, neither did cut and paste really. Now, however, cut and paste is a semi-frequent thing I use, but MMS is still zero on my radar. (I email tons of things, however, as that goes to iPhones and computers).

As feature phone market share drops, smartphone and netbook increases, MMS is likely dying. Apple is known to axe floppy disks, optical disks, firewire ports, etc. in an instant. I can see MMS as being high on their feature list either?

As others pointed out in earlier threads, MMS is not a hardware trick — simply a differently formatted message. There there have been jailbroken apps supporting MMS on the 2G iphone for over a year — using the same binary for both 2G and 3G phones, i.e. the same exact software for 2G vs 3G phones, no “second stack” required. I agree with you that Apple is under no obligation to release an MMS update for the 2G iphone, but it is extremely hard to believe there is a hardware limitation in play here for MMS.

Stereo BT, on the other hand, could very easily have some hardware issues between 2G and 3G.

That is a much more eloquent expression of my feelings on the upgrades we 2G iPhone users have received. I don’t think I am entitled to anything but think it is great that we have been getting incremental upgrades. Some features can be easily added to the 2G while other features can’t. The fact my 18 month old iPhone does almost everything (save GPS and 3G radio) that the 3G iPhone someone buys today is incredible. I can not think of another technogadget I have that has been freely upgraded over that same interval as my iPhone has and I still have Os 3.0 (even if it does not include full bluetooth and MMS support) to look forward to in another month. I would have to think any other smartphone purchased at the same time I purchased my iPhone 18 months ago is far more outdated than mine is.

If Apple wanted to “force” people on iPhone 2G to upgrade, they just wouldn’t provide OS 3.0. It makes no sense just to withhold MMS and Stereo BT while giving cut, copy, and paste and all the other features unless…

…it’s just like Apple said and the hardware between 2G and 3G changed enough that they’d have to build a second MMS and BT stack upgrade to enable it.

As a free update, and a company that’s looking forward, Apple would likely do what they can easily and cheaply to keep iPhone 2G as current as possible, but not significantly impact their resources to build second versions of the software.

One of the downsides of Apple doing 2-year subscription accounting and lots of free upgrades is that now people don’t value the work that goes into those upgrades, or the feelings of entitlement they’ve created in the market.

That might be Apple’s actual — and bigger — problem.

What happen to the days when if you wanted a consumer to buy your new model you made it so much better it was a no brainer. Now companies just with hold what you want. Like a manipulative wife or girlfriend not putting out until she gets some expensive trinket she knows will only cause money issues later, but she uses s ex as a weapon because you want it, and if you break down and cheat. Well you were not only cheap, but unfaithful.

I sure hope Apple sees that path is doomed, because beauty fades, and there’s always a younger better looking woman that’s willing to give it away for free. Extortion never ends in a nice or pretty fashion. Not to mention it’s just wrong.

Segregating your consumers is just as wrong as trying to force them to an action. People and companies are supposed to know right from wrong more as they grow, not become more douchish every day. Something in Cupertino is starting to smell not so fresh.

• to this effect with the first gen..*
• the first gen won’t get mms..*

However , we kind of do see a sign that apple is already doing something to this effect with the 1st ten and 2nd gen iPhone.

The first gen won’t be mms and a few other features when the 2nd does in OS 3.0.

This this some what beleieveable now that I think about it. Sad but beleiveable. Smh.