As an aside I will admit I haven't looked at Android in a while - mainly because all the handsets for it are nothing short of **ing **.

To all you who love your iPhones, yes the iPhone won, but not by much. The competition for Apple is now there and that can only be good. I look forward to the Pre and iPhone both becoming better from their competition.

I personally hate Apple but I will admit that the iPhone moved the bar for mobile internet devices. Palm have responded marvelously. To show how good the Pre really is look at all the other competition out there. I use a BlackBerry and its not even close for mobile internet - not that that is the BB market and I am happy with what I have. Windows Mobile is more a joke than a mobile OS, even in version 6.5. That leaves us with Maemo and Symbian - neither of which can touch mobile OSX or WebOS.

The Pre is an amazing first gen device and the iPhone is great at what it does. I for one am looking forward to the competition ahead. I would never buy an Apple device but I appreciate what Apple have done for the mobile market. I can see me getting a Pre or Pre 2 (Or whatever Palm call it) in future.

@Mav Go and do some research before posting. They use an ARM design (Cortex A8). ARM have never and never will manufacture their own processors. Therefore stating that they use ARM processors is only partially correct. The Pre Processor is fabbed by TI and underclocked to 500MHz. The iPhone processor is the same Cortex A8 design but at the full 600MHz and Apple are very cagey about who fabs it for them.

Until info on the fabrication processes for both phones is available it is not sufficient to say they use the same processor. It is highly likely that TI fab both chips at 65 nanometers however it is unknown. The remaining point that is known is that the iPhone processors runs at 600MHz compared to the Pre's 500MHz.

Like I said Mav - do some research.

I've been using my new pre for just a couple days and keep finding more great little ideas that make it a very worthy competitor to the iPhone, which I love by the way but get no ATT at my house... I'm absolutely thrilled to have this option.

Several have made good points that it shouldn't be a competition for the consumers, people take this s%%t so perosnally. Competition is good for us in the end as we get better and better options.

Palm Pre vs. iPhone 3.0 3G S vs. Windows Mobile 6.5 - Feature Comparison Showdown

You show your ignorance of the product. Go look at what it can do before you say it cannot.

His ATT connection is getting full bars while his Sprint connection only had about 1-2 bars of signal strength. However, even with that only 1-2 bars of signal strength, it was very close.

To make the test fair, he needs to test both phones when they both have full bars on their networks.

it speaks volumes? That they used the same technology? Wow! im impressed!! that's amazing!

Are you people also forgetting... ummmmm LOL! the browser is not the only thing on a phone.

What about the rest of the "Pre Package"

Call me up when i can download TV Shows, Music, and games on the Fly while i'm out.

95% of iPhone apps aren't worth downloading?

LOL!! i love the ignorant comments, just love it.

Anandtech did the benchmarks. Dieter was spot on. iPhone 3G S is a tiny bit faster than webOS 1.0.2. (1.0.3 might be a tiny bit faster than 1Phone 3G S 3.0, but 3.x? -- the game is a foot).

Also Dieter runs PreCentral.net and the Pre is his current daily driver, so totally not a fanboi.

Comment haters pwnd

This guy is for the iPhone befor even the speed test begins...

An example:

" this video makes me ashame to have an iphone "

lol...

Very, very unprofesional...

But I love Apple and I hope Steve will be fine...

My only comment is I'm glad the Pre went with a hardware keyboard because it satisfies the needs of those who want on and they can always implement a soft keyboard down the road and have the best of both worlds.

Both phones will get better over time indeed. I think they will be the 2 biggest competitors for years to come and both devices will offer it's users a top notch smartphone experience.

And lastly…I think it is completely reasonable to compare the 3Gs with 3.0 and Pre with webos version 1. These are the versions available now. You can't compare the Pre to the original version of the iPhone. If it wasn't for the iPhone there would not even be a Pre anyway. Also if you think the Pre is only gonna get better, so will the iPhone over the same interval!

All you have to do on the Pre is press enter (one button) just like hitting "go" on the iPhone. He just didn't know what he was doing.

In fact I was impressed that even after the Pre was pressed late it appeared to still hang with the iPhone pretty well. Interesting

Look at the Crackberry webpage for example. My goodness.

http://gizmodo.com/5297468/iphone-3gs-torn-down-reveals-an-arm-cortexa8-cpu-that-can-go-bigger-faster-same-as-the-pre

If both devices are engineered right they will be very similar in performance (+/- 15%) - assuming all other factors are equal (which are of course difficult to equalize). I f Apple starts to use their own proprietory processor then doing such tests would make more sense.

SO WITH THAT SAID, why are you idiots even arguing? it was a faulty test.

starting the browsers at the same time makes quite a difference...

I cannot wrap my head around this concept that everything that competes with the iPhone automatically sucks if it doesn't stand up the iPhone on certain features. You fanboys need to thank Palm for offering worthwhile competition to Apple. Do you think Apple will slack off with their next iteration of the iPhone now that they know there's another powerful OS on the market on a better network?

I'm an iPhone 3G owner and am very happy that Apple has competition and can no longer afford to offer minor updates to hardware like they did with the 3GS.

June 19th, 2009 at 5:48 pm Much better test than that pile of rubbish I saw on CNET recently. Not surprised by the iPhone’s superiority to be honest.

Asothers have stated.You are Clearly a Bigoted Iphone Fanboy. I have also compared the 2 but in an area where the Iphone had full bars and Sprint did not.What was amazing is that the Pre stil smoked the Iphone 3G S . Whoa I myself like as big a screen as I can get so the Iphone to me is a nice bit of real estate,but the PRE again has a better looking Screen so ehhh.The Pre Did have the new update 1.0.3 which I am guessing some of the tests on other Apple sites did not and they fail to mention this also(wonder if they have an agenda?You think?)All in all the Iphone 3G S is a nice phone but when a first Gen device with a OS in its infancy can match and surpass it,you gotta wonder if the sky is the limit with the WebOs as it seems simpy amazing. Overall Value Iphone can't hold a candle when the Pre saves you $30+ a month in service fee's for what most users wil use themas,A multi-media Device with a Great Web Presence. Call me crazy but I'd rather have a device that would save me over $700 in 2 years over another.

But with that said, both devices are very fast, so kudos to both Pre and 3GS. I can't wait to see how they stack up against the Tegra and Snapdragon handsets for Android and WinMo. The smartphone game is very exciting. Great time to be a geek such as myself.

1) As others have stated first half was rubbish. It was all coverage dependent so meh.

2) Iphone is on it's 3rd gen. Pre is 1st gen. 1st gen phone that is slightly behind by a few seconds, not to mention he did push the iphone button first.

3) along the lines of 2. since pre is 1st gen it hasn't had the chance to mature/optimize itself completely. Come on people. Don't let your die hard idiot fanboyism get in the way of seeing a good phone with hate just because it's not from apple.

4) The 3GS is a nice up from the 3G. Much faster then its predecessor and still a great device overall.

Please stop being idiots and letting the "it's not from apple" crap get so far up your @$$. The Pre, for a first gen, is not too far behind. Maybe in the future it'll beat it, maybe not. Competition is good. Remember that.

To be fair you have a point there, but at the same time the Pre still lost on a WiFi connection.

and the guy hitting start on the iphone first every time is what you would call professional?

Know I said it was a pile of rubbish? Come on man, even Stevie Wonder could see that the Pre lost that test. Watch the video again and you'll see that the Pre was still loading the page after the 3GS was done. For them to then declare the Pre the winner is just plain unprofessional.

So because the Pre won in the cnet test you think it's a pile of rubbish. I actually found the cnet test to be more informative, fair and objective.