Comments on: The Competition: Palm webOS 1.2, Android Donut 1.6, BlackBerry 5.0, Windows Mobile 6.5

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By: Booty

Booty — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:37:34 +0000

Next gen iPhone/os better have file storage and ability to forward files or I’m out!

By: icebike

icebike — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:13:11 +0000

@ArsenelKarl:

Really is that the best you can do, or are you really that clueless of KDE?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmMdm9liMn4

By: Stone

Stone — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 02:57:56 +0000

Here are my 2 cents worth to make the best of the best -apple fix the stupid freezing and shutting down problem with 3.1 (hurry up already) -allow user customizing like jailbreak…maybe not so severe but come on background, txt tone, icons, certain quick menus, etc (hellooo almost every other phone) -multiple pages kinda like the pre but let’s do the mutli screens the apple way and leave things running (with consideration on ram mem takeup) -wish full thinking would be 5mp camera and HD recording (instinct HD… Without crappy os and interface) -of coarse a better speaker and maybe oled…hmm (again wishfully)

By: jeffdc5

jeffdc5 — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 02:19:39 +0000

I just want better speakers on the Iphone…

By: fastlane

fastlane — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:07:11 +0000

Personally, I don’t want to drill through app menus and folders on a small screen (especially with my finger in the way). I think Apple’s springboard icon method is currently unsupassed (so far) for my taste. Then again, I don’t download every lousy app in the App Store, so my only having three home screens could be the reason for that.

By: ArseneKarl

ArseneKarl — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:54:54 +0000

http://plasma.kde.org/

http://solid.kde.org/

Now can you say Amateur?

By: ArseneKarl

ArseneKarl — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:53:53 +0000

@icebike

Honey I've seen it all.

While undeniably interesting and technically advanced (really there is not much to get over excited about)

It is overwhelmingly GIMMICKY. Use your finger as a cursor, really? REALLY?

To be honest I have had high hopes about KDE's Oxygen project, boy am I disappointed.

Folks, just visit their websites you'll see what I mean.

http://www.oxygen-icons.org/

By: firehorse

firehorse — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:34:42 +0000

does icebike live on the iphoneblog?

By: Waffles

Waffles — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:34:00 +0000

Yikes, UI is so windows 3.0? I suppose it is nearly 2 1/2 years old since it’s release… And I would also like to see some improvement, but overstatement only compromised your argument. I still think it’s the best mobile UI out there today. Palm is the only one to have come close. Blackberries make me laugh when I see them.

By: icebike

icebike — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:06:00 +0000

@Rene:

DOH!

Swoosh… over my head… sorry for rant.

An ArseneKarl: Falling a little behind the times fella? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx9FgLr9oTk

By: Rene Ritchie

Rene Ritchie — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:00:52 +0000

@icebike: Sorry, I meant that Moto website presentation isn’t available on YouTube so I can’t easily embed it here on a blog post, thus their marketing lost an easy brand projection opportunity. i.e., I’d like to stick the video up and let people comment on it.

By: ArseneKarl

ArseneKarl — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:48:10 +0000

@icebike

Ah Please don't start the UI subject~~~

Everytime everytime Gnome KDE etc. make me cry while puking.

If that's the best Linux camp can do. We may never see any UI improvement in iPhone ever.

By: smchrist2

smchrist2 — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:45:37 +0000

Nice battlestar galactica reference

By: icebike

icebike — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:37:27 +0000

@Rene:

he moto blur demo is interesting, but they’re not providing an easily embeddable version. Marketing fail!

But they never set out to do that. Blur is simply their UI for Android as Springboard is Apple's UI for OSX.

Moto wants to sell phones, not the OS. Under the skin its all Android.

If this UI does not appeal, they can be back with another in three months flat, or adopt the one Google provides as a concept UI.

That's the beauty of Android. The OS will be throughly debugged, enhanced, and extended by all the manufactures and hackers over time, but the UI, proprietary programs, and features belong to the individual manufacturers, and can come and go as handset models succeed or fail in the market.

Those coming from a Windows background, and to a lesser extent a Mac background, don't always grok this interchangeability of UI immediately. To them, the UI IS the OS.

But Blur is just one proprietary UI laid on top of a open source OS. Like Gnome or KDE or XFCE4 running on top of Linux, where you can switch UIs without even rebooting.

As for the iPhone UI, the part that needs fixing is the Springboard. The rest is not so bad. But to me its clear the Springboard was developed before the App store was ever dreamed up.

By: ArseneKarl

ArseneKarl — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:30:51 +0000

Apple need to think really really hard on how to implement multi-tasking + notification + interoperability in a elegant intuitive applesque way. Somehow I always felt these three are connected.

Since Steve Jobs' all tablet these days, guess Scott Forstall has to take on the Almighty role.

Let's see what would come out of his vision.

By: Peio

Peio — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:23:48 +0000

Maemo 5 ????????

By: Rene Ritchie

Rene Ritchie — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:08:32 +0000

@icebike: The moto blur demo is interesting, but they're not providing an easily embeddable version. Marketing fail!

I don't mind the iPhone UI, but the organizational problems need to be fixed, which means the UI needs to be tweaked.

Some sort of trust relationship would be nice between apps. Apple can only hide so much by passing on links or embedding core apps like email and maps.

By: frog

frog — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:00:11 +0000

lol, look at Android. Go on! It’s horrible in comparison!

By: tor-björn

tor-björn — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:45:45 +0000

Well put! Really hope Apple understands this. The OS is what makes the iPhone great, if they don’t fix this flaws until v4.0 I will definitely look at Android. To be able to run applications in the background is a must for me to once again buy from Apple. I can find better hardware elsewhere…

By: icebike

icebike — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:52:01 +0000

Then of course there are the variety of Android implementations that are starting to appear.

There is an interactive Demo of the MotoBlur interface on T-Mobile here: http://tinyurl.com/ndg7l7

Its well done, to the point where you can actually get a feel for the phone. Its different than the iPhone. Way different. It integrates all the social networking sites and protocols.

Not my cup of tea, but my 17yr old neighbor who is way into thinks it is exactly what he wants. For him, it works better than a collection of Apps on the iphone.

There are two major areas where the iPhone is held back.

1) UI interface is SO Windows 3.0. Total rewrite in order.

2) Sandbox way too limiting. Apple needs to re-think this and allow App developers to define the types of requests they will handle (methods) and allow other Apps to invoke them (either in the foreground, or silently in the BG) using these methods. Currently Apple reserves this for themselves. Its time to loosen up.