Comments on: Adobe Flash 10.1 to Finally be "Just Right" for iPhone?

By: Iphonenoob

Iphonenoob — Fri, 22 Jan 2010 03:44:21 +0000

I wonder if somebody will be able to put adobe 10.1 on a jailbroken iPod/phone but I woulndt kno.....

By: William Chadwick

William Chadwick — Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:25:29 +0000

I thought the iPhone was cool until I discovered that it's a totalitarian Phone. "Citizen, you will not use Flash on your phone." I bought a different device. Now that Flash 10.1 is coming out, I may have to buy a NEW phone! What matters is my freedom to use the technology I want to use, not what Apple thinks I should use.

By: Miles

Miles — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:18:03 +0000

I agree with an above post, I personally only want flash to watch videos. I've lost count of how many times I've wanted to watch a video and couldn't because it wasn't on YouTube. Hell even tons of YouTube videos can't be watched for that matter. In this day and age the ability to watch flash videos is a necessity not a luxury.

By: Miles

Miles — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:12:43 +0000

Apple will eventually add flash to the iPhone but sadly I don't think it'll be for several years. All this talk about flash being to bloated is just a smokescreen. The reality is that apple doesn't want us to have flash because it would mean that we could play thousands of free flash games online bypassing the app store. Apple isn't about to let that happen. Instead they add it only after competitors advertise it as a feature and they are forced to add it. It's sad that apple has to be that way but it's nothing new in apple land.

By: Micky1701

Micky1701 — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:27:35 +0000

no flash

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=16416

By: Miami mike

Miami mike — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:22:02 +0000

Xtube" here I come!!!

By: Dionte

Dionte — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:12:23 +0000

@shollomon and that they did a good job at

By: Fassy

Fassy — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:57:13 +0000

@icebike

Apple is pushing WebKit so strongly towards HTML 5 precisely because they want to eliminate dependencies on non-standard runtimes they cannot control. I agree with you that many uses of Flash annoy, and would be doubly annoying on mobile devices. On mobile devices, most users want Flash only to stream video from abc/espn/southpark/pick your niche video site that uses flash. If those sites were to use h264 and , demand for Flash on the iPhone would virtually disappear overnight. Without any customer clamor for Flash, Apple does not even have to address the potentially ugly issue of a separate runtime - they "win" without having to fire a shot, protecting the exclusive runtime without having to get in an ugly fight with Adobe or whatever government entity that might butt in.

Don't get me wrong; I wholly support standards, and while I do not think Apple's motives are pure here, they are still moving in the right direction, so good for them and us.

And I rarely, if ever, get inconvenienced by flash on any platform, because I whitelist sites. Noscript and its ilk work wonders

By: bugs

bugs — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:20:41 +0000

than*

damn monday's and leaving letters out sorry

By: bugs

bugs — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:20:04 +0000

i rather see silverlight on an iphone the flash and the crapware they write.

By: iBamse

iBamse — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:43:15 +0000

If flash is included on the iPhone I sincerely hope it comes with an option to completely disable it.

By: Colum

Colum — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:18:17 +0000

Apple tend to do things in their own time and get it perfect instead of just OK you'll probably find that the flash on Blackberrys, androids etc. Will be crap, apple will develop something of their own and it'll most probably b better

plain and simple!

By: icebike

icebike — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:17:55 +0000

@Fassy:

hey are anti-flash because it is a well-understood environment that does not require a Mac purchase for development, with a runtime that does not require people to release through the App Store.

I'm not so sure I believe that. If so, they wouldn't be pushing webkit so strongly towards HTML5.

Flash is a huge hog. I've been inconvenienced by its absence maybe 10 times since owning an iPhone, but only in minor ways. I don't miss it and I don't miss all the intrusive advertising pushed into my face.

I think its absence from the iphone is starting to have an effect on web site developers.

You now see very few flash only sites, and most sites that used to be flash only have started to include alternative (and less irritating) forms of advertising.

By: Fassy

Fassy — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:41:10 +0000

Flash is not coming to the iPhone unless and until other phones run it, and there is enough flash content usable on phones to make it a selling point. Apple is not anti-flash because of performance or security concerns (though some are certainly legitimate); they are anti-flash because it is a well-understood environment that does not require a Mac purchase for development, with a runtime that does not require people to release through the App Store.

Apple is not about to give up that control, or that not-insignificant 30% cut, unless Flash becomes a killer app that lures a significant number of customers away from the iPhone itself.

By: M

Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:28:53 +0000

Yeah screw flash.. apple will develope HTML5 with the help of google. Look at google, where google goes, inovation is sure to surface.

By: Rick

Rick — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:57:17 +0000

Why can't some developer create a flash app that can run right now on jailbroken phones?

By: ak

ak — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:36:49 +0000

i like the point about apple's investment into CSS, javascript, and HTML5. what's the point of "opening" up flash more, when open-standard-based technologies (HTML5, any decent javascript library) can do almost everything flash can.

and it does it without using a closed, proprietary system (despite it's slight "opening" up). and it does it without creating non-degradable, black box web pages.

i hope apple sticks to its guns and stays away from flash.

By: sting7k

sting7k — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:35:55 +0000

I don't really know why everyone gets their panties in a bunch over flash, it's not that great and can be just plain annoying on 90% of websites that use it.

By: shollomon

shollomon — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:28:16 +0000

Viva la Jailbreak!

Except if you have a 3GS that came with 3.1 then its no jailbreak for you. The primary purpose of 3.1 was to cripple jailbreak.

By: Raul

Raul — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:23:25 +0000

Viva la Jailbreak!

By: Dionte

Dionte — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:19:41 +0000

apple doesn't want to give us flash, then people that get rejected from the app store could go that route and they would lose control

By: DRTigerlilly

DRTigerlilly — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:05:08 +0000

Interesting since other blogs are reporting that there will be flash for all the other mobile platforms, except the iphone, due to apple's closed OS

By: LS

LS — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:48:19 +0000

This will never happen until Apple can work out a suitable monetisation model for the Flash Player. Perhaps using Air to build Flash into an iPhone native app is a way to go, but I just can't see Flash (perhaps specifically, Flash games) being playable on the iPhone for free when it would clearly circumvent the App Store and Apple's majot cash cow

By: shollomon

shollomon — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:33:01 +0000

SJ and Apple have no room to talk about bloat when a download of iTunes 9.0.1 for 32 bit Windows runs 88.8M. Media Monkey can do all the same stuff, does it better (it could even sync to your iPhone if Apple would let it), and weighs in at 7.2M. And that's only one alternative.

iTunes, the Acroreader of media players.