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	<title>Comments on: Apple vs. Amazon vs. Macmillian &#8212; Begun These e-Book Wars Have?</title>
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		<title>By: true protein discount code</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2010/01/30/apple-amazon-begun-ebook-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-148462</link>
		<dc:creator>true protein discount code</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 04:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Apple has really expanded its product lineup. They have stretched their brand into all types of digital products.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple has really expanded its product lineup. They have stretched their brand into all types of digital products.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Debbie Savis</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2010/01/30/apple-amazon-begun-ebook-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-114855</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie Savis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 03:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nice website....may we add it to our make money blog for a review?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice website&#8230;.may we add it to our make money blog for a review?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Hope</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2010/01/30/apple-amazon-begun-ebook-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-114823</link>
		<dc:creator>Hope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 02:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am outraged that Macmillan is using strong arm tactics to muscle Amazon (i.e. the consumer).  What&#039;s wrong with cheaper prices for the consumer?  Macmillan should kiss Amazon&#039;s toes for coming up with the Kindle!!!!!!! The book publishers see the writing on the wall just like the music industry did.
BTW, I had a chance to actually USE the iPad....it is so awkward and the screen so fragile...it will take a very long time to catch up to the Kindle.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am outraged that Macmillan is using strong arm tactics to muscle Amazon (i.e. the consumer).  What&#8217;s wrong with cheaper prices for the consumer?  Macmillan should kiss Amazon&#8217;s toes for coming up with the Kindle!!!!!!! The book publishers see the writing on the wall just like the music industry did.
BTW, I had a chance to actually USE the iPad&#8230;.it is so awkward and the screen so fragile&#8230;it will take a very long time to catch up to the Kindle.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Allen Harkleroad</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2010/01/30/apple-amazon-begun-ebook-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-114076</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen Harkleroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This news makes me so glad that I am self-published and don&#039;t rely on large book publishers for income.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This news makes me so glad that I am self-published and don&#8217;t rely on large book publishers for income.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Apple iPad</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2010/01/30/apple-amazon-begun-ebook-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-114040</link>
		<dc:creator>Apple iPad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 06:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think its a bad move on Amazon part.  Apple is good a pushing buys on their Apple store.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its a bad move on Amazon part.  Apple is good a pushing buys on their Apple store.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: icebike</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2010/01/30/apple-amazon-begun-ebook-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-114035</link>
		<dc:creator>icebike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 05:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Rene:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Its quite possible Amazon loses money on SOME small fraction of Ebooks, (loss leaders) but by and large, its profitable to be selling ebooks these days.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Undercutting someone else&#039;s price is fine, noble even.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But if Apple is conspiring with publishers to force a Price Increase on an entire market its called price fixing.  Generally frowned upon.  Illegal even.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Self publishing, with todays tools, could get dirt cheap.
Making an Ebook is pretty easy.  (Google up a copy of Atlantis word processor and output directly to epub).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Problem is, virtually every author needs an editor,(I suppose those could work free lance as well), as well as a marketing arm, publicist, and someone to tell them to choose a new line of work.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t object to publishers in general.  But this tactic of Raising the price and trying to end run copyright law by getting to set Retail Price pretty much stinks.  And Apple helping them do it to make the iPod book sales profitable enough for Jobs stinks even more.  To the extent they planned this, its collusion. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Will anything happen?  Probably not with Teflon Steve still in charge and his buddies sitting in Washington.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rene:</p>

<p>Its quite possible Amazon loses money on SOME small fraction of Ebooks, (loss leaders) but by and large, its profitable to be selling ebooks these days.</p>

<p>Undercutting someone else&#8217;s price is fine, noble even.</p>

<p>But if Apple is conspiring with publishers to force a Price Increase on an entire market its called price fixing.  Generally frowned upon.  Illegal even.</p>

<p>Self publishing, with todays tools, could get dirt cheap.
Making an Ebook is pretty easy.  (Google up a copy of Atlantis word processor and output directly to epub).</p>

<p>Problem is, virtually every author needs an editor,(I suppose those could work free lance as well), as well as a marketing arm, publicist, and someone to tell them to choose a new line of work.  </p>

<p>I don&#8217;t object to publishers in general.  But this tactic of Raising the price and trying to end run copyright law by getting to set Retail Price pretty much stinks.  And Apple helping them do it to make the iPod book sales profitable enough for Jobs stinks even more.  To the extent they planned this, its collusion. </p>

<p>Will anything happen?  Probably not with Teflon Steve still in charge and his buddies sitting in Washington.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rene Ritchie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene Ritchie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 04:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Icebike -- isn&#039;t Amazon losing money on some of them by selling below the cost they&#039;re paying? ($4 and change per book).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When Amazon was doing MP3 at $0.89, was that the same &quot;collusion&quot; to undercut Apple? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t like any of these media games, but I don&#039;t think they&#039;re illegal in any way. Illegal would be Apple refusing to carry Warner music unless they got an exclusive deal on Warner books -- that would be abuse of monopoly (like Intel is accused of doing).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Some people weren&#039;t happy when Amazon signed exclusive e-book deals for the Kindle, but I don&#039;t think that was illegal either.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m curious if publishers get disintermediated and authors can sell directly via e-book, what pricing would then shake out to be. Typical print authors might get 10% of retail. An App Store like deal would net them 70%. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;10% of $10 is $1. They could charge $2 for the e-book and still make more than they ever did for a $10 print book.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sell it for $5 and they could hire the great copy editors and marketers few publishers provide anymore anyway.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There would need to be some third party aggregator to make negotiations and acquisition easier (like CD Baby for music), or it could just be App Store-like with authors becoming &quot;developers&quot; and submitting directly to Apple, Amazon, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Icebike &#8212; isn&#8217;t Amazon losing money on some of them by selling below the cost they&#8217;re paying? ($4 and change per book).</p>

<p>When Amazon was doing MP3 at $0.89, was that the same &#8220;collusion&#8221; to undercut Apple? </p>

<p>I don&#8217;t like any of these media games, but I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re illegal in any way. Illegal would be Apple refusing to carry Warner music unless they got an exclusive deal on Warner books &#8212; that would be abuse of monopoly (like Intel is accused of doing).</p>

<p>Some people weren&#8217;t happy when Amazon signed exclusive e-book deals for the Kindle, but I don&#8217;t think that was illegal either.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m curious if publishers get disintermediated and authors can sell directly via e-book, what pricing would then shake out to be. Typical print authors might get 10% of retail. An App Store like deal would net them 70%. </p>

<p>10% of $10 is $1. They could charge $2 for the e-book and still make more than they ever did for a $10 print book.</p>

<p>Sell it for $5 and they could hire the great copy editors and marketers few publishers provide anymore anyway.</p>

<p>There would need to be some third party aggregator to make negotiations and acquisition easier (like CD Baby for music), or it could just be App Store-like with authors becoming &#8220;developers&#8221; and submitting directly to Apple, Amazon, etc.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rene Ritchie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene Ritchie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 04:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Dev - Updated with a fresh new graphic. We can even imagine the kid he&#039;s taking the Macmillian book from is Steve!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(Like I said in the post, it&#039;s nearly identical to what happened with iTunes and music -- and iTunes and NBC TV! so how that makes Amazon look any worse than Apple is beyond me...)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dev &#8211; Updated with a fresh new graphic. We can even imagine the kid he&#8217;s taking the Macmillian book from is Steve!</p>

<p>(Like I said in the post, it&#8217;s nearly identical to what happened with iTunes and music &#8212; and iTunes and NBC TV! so how that makes Amazon look any worse than Apple is beyond me&#8230;)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: dev</title>
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		<dc:creator>dev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 04:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;(though Amazon&#039;s actions when revoking Orwell books last summer were reprehensible)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(though Amazon&#8217;s actions when revoking Orwell books last summer were reprehensible)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: dev</title>
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		<dc:creator>dev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 04:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not really satirical as much as an outright lie in this case, presumably to make an Apple competitor look bad...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really satirical as much as an outright lie in this case, presumably to make an Apple competitor look bad&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: icebike</title>
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		<dc:creator>icebike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;Under this model, the publisher sets the consumer book price and takes 70 percent of each sale, leaving 30 percent to the retailer.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;This is a patent attempt to get around the First Sale Doctrine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine and I&#039;m thinking it lands Apple in hot water.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Once again Apple is conspiring to use its dominant market position in digital music as leverage to assert dominance in another market.  If Amazon files an FTC complaint of collusion on the part of Apple and a couple publishers this whole thing blows up in their face.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I do hope the retailers stand pat with Amazon and not let publishers use Apple as their wedge, because Ebooks are already too expensive.  Ebooks can be produced for somewhere between 35 and 40% less than Paper books.  The typical 9.99 price point is just about right.  Nobody is losing money selling ebooks.&lt;/p&gt;
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  <p>Under this model, the publisher sets the consumer book price and takes 70 percent of each sale, leaving 30 percent to the retailer.</p>
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<p>This is a patent attempt to get around the First Sale Doctrine <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine</a> and I&#8217;m thinking it lands Apple in hot water.</p>

<p>Once again Apple is conspiring to use its dominant market position in digital music as leverage to assert dominance in another market.  If Amazon files an FTC complaint of collusion on the part of Apple and a couple publishers this whole thing blows up in their face.</p>

<p>I do hope the retailers stand pat with Amazon and not let publishers use Apple as their wedge, because Ebooks are already too expensive.  Ebooks can be produced for somewhere between 35 and 40% less than Paper books.  The typical 9.99 price point is just about right.  Nobody is losing money selling ebooks.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 02:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Go Apple!!!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go Apple!!!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: cardfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>cardfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20100130/COLUMNISTS17/1300324/Gizmo+s+guide+to+the+new+e-book+readers&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For example, here&#039;s my local paper presenting a guide to new ebook readers.  Guess which one is on top?  This is what the masses will see.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>For example, here&#8217;s my local paper presenting a guide to new ebook readers.  Guess which one is on top?  This is what the masses will see.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: cardfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>cardfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Going up demand will of ebooks (the books themselves).  The Kindle was doing ok, but the iPad (along with Nook, etc) will mainstream this market.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going up demand will of ebooks (the books themselves).  The Kindle was doing ok, but the iPad (along with Nook, etc) will mainstream this market.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sysreset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sysreset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Going up prices are.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going up prices are.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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