So what did you think of Apple's education event?

So now Apple's education event is over and the dust has settled and we have iBooks 2, iBooks Author, and iTunes U, and there seems to be a bit of a mixed reaction.

Some people think Apple is spearheading a new generation of in-depth, interactive, learning tools to bring textbooks and classrooms into the next generation. Others think Apple has once again created a proprietary platform to once again exert draconian control over and increase platform lock-in.

Some people think Apple has created an alternative to the expensive, outdated, antiquated books students used to have to lug around. Others think Apple sucks for not offering $12 iPads to go along with it.

We'll be back to give you our collective opinions later, but right now it's your turn, iMore Nation. What do you think of Apple's educational offerings?

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So what did you think of Apple's education event?


I wish apple would make things available in Canada, (and other contries). hardly anything from this event is available outside the usa so no, I was not impressed.

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I think this is really cool and a great start. I'm 18 and about to start college in the Fall though, so I'd really love if they start offering college books too soon. It would be absolutely amazing if I could just use my iPad instead of lugging around a bunch of college books.
Anyone think they'll start offering college material anytime soon?

The iPad 3 better come in 32/64/128Gb models because, given that the demo book they showed during the event was almost a Gb, a 16Gb iPad won't hold a semester's worth of books!

It appears to be streaming the books because even though I have a couple of ~1gb books on my iPad, iBooks is only taking up 82mb. Even if I'm wrong, I don't think space is going to be an issue even on a 16gb iPad. As long as you don't fill it up with games, you're going to be fine.

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I'm really surprised they retain iBooks for iOS use only. Why not let iCloud keep track of notes/highlighting and reading across iOS and OSX.

If you take a little time, maybe go for a walk and think about the implications of what this means, it's staggering. This set of announcements as NOTHING to do with hardware .... It has to do with how humans pursue knowledge.
Yes, the point about this being US-focused only is valid, but you MUST start somewhere... For too long, this nation, and MANY others have been extremely focused on steering young minds in very specific directions, influenced by factors of environment, belief systems, traditions, laws, customs, tribal dictates, money, power, ego, etc... You could go on for pages... The availability of this kind of tool-set allows a very different decision processes to take place that has never existed before on a mass scale.... The implications are amazing.

Seem to be it was pretty full of it. The education part was just a front for another system which is to allow indepent authors to publish their work. They (Apple) was playing on people out rage about over priced textbook but the product really is not geared for that. It is a front.
The exclusivity thing is making it DOA.

If it will knock down the price of text books, instead of matching them, great! I just paid $140 for a text book my daughter needed for her MBA. (an online course too!) Thats pretty rich. She pays for her own school, but this was a shock to her.

Here is the problem as I see it...
I love the fact that Apple is taking on the textbook industry which needs a righteous come uppance. But without the support of the education establishment it will go nowhere. I'll elaborate.
I have an 8th grader & a 6th that both have Macbooks provided through a pilot program ( and generous private donations) w/ the local school system. All kids in grades 6-12 get one under this initiative where I live. Unfortunately for them it is all but a token toy. They have no lesson plans on them & there is no interest in getting digital copies of textbooks. So now 2 of my kids (my youngest will be in 6th grade next yr)get to carry 2 large backpacks, one with the Macbook & the other with the big textbooks, daily. They are practically weight lifters now!
I've inquired with the teachers locally & even the school district only to learn that the teachers is really unhappy with these Macbooks (a whole separate issue in itself). Point I'm making is until the gov't mandates the use of digital textbook, which I'm in favor of, there will be little incentive for this to be adopted & the textbook publishers will continue to rake the taxpayers over the coals for their "All New Updated Edition" every few yrs that is overpriced.

sorry your poll choices are loaded answers. i really hate when there is some snarky qualifier that doesn't apply. like the answer can't something like "yes" it's always like "Yes apple is perfect". Like my answer is Meh but not because i care about hardware. It's meh cause from what little i know this isn't gonna make education any more accessible for the poor and minorities that need access most.
i like the idea of being able to get textbooks on an ipad. i think it's great for college kids too that are forced to buy overpriced books. Now i like to write in my margins so that could be an issue but that's a different point. But my issue is k-12 education in this country differs based on race and income. Access differs based on race and income. And education regardless of race or income in the U.S. is way below par. it needs to be better from every neighborhood rich and poor black white brown and plaid. I'm just not sure having a system where buy kids that should be getting books free need to buy a $300+ ipad plus $14 per book. And you're talking 15 year olds and stuff. They are gonna break ipads in a backpack often.
i'm not against itunes u but i'm against any system that slants education in favor of those of means at the expense of those who have historically been denied access or unable to get access for a myriad of reason.
If apple wanted to impress me offer digital college books and like 1/4 the price. that's a big dent in at least one cost of going to college.
A second would somehow, and i dont' exactly know how, but you provide a digital copy of a book to k-12 schools. Like if the cost of the book to a school is $20 bucks, how about every kid at a school get's a code for a book, but the equivalent digital cost is like $4 or $5 bucks and the school district is still paying and also getting the benefit of the cheaper digital price. Now that doesn't remotely change the fact that somebody is still gonna have to get every kid a $300 ipad. And that is a big hurdle for a lot of people.
But for grad and university students i think it could be a really good idea.

They mentioned several times, a school could provide a code to the student for the book purchase so the student isn't bearing the book cost. Apple provides volume licensing to schools so this will be a HUGE money saver for schools as opposed to buying books. Also each student gets a personal copy so it's a great plus.

I'm a high school English teacher who's been using his iPad 2 in the classroom, so I'm thrilled with today's announcement. My hope is that all disciplines are represented in the eTextbook migration, and I think that eventually will happen. The iPad really brings my lessons to life, and with more educational resources at my fingertips, students of all grade levels only can benefit from the expansion of Apple's educational focus. Bravo!

I just don't see this taking off as much as I would hope. Schools are notoriously closed minded to technology in most of the country and having everyone switch over from books they paid millions for(and are scheduled to be used for several years) to iPads is asking a LOT. All the school board sees is bottom lines and a $500 iPad (plus e-texts) vs a $200 traditional text book is a no-brainer in their eyes.
If they do opt for it, then they use that platform to raise taxes, which causes an outcry from the community. Not only that, but as someone mentioned above, if School'd deploy the iPad, they will retain ownership and as such, the publisher gets boned as the books will always be "preloaded" from one year to the next.
And that's just the schools that don't make a profit off their text books. Throw colleges/universities into the equation and you have a niche market that very very few will be apart of.
I would love it if I was wrong on this one, but sadly, I don't think I am. It's a GREAT idea, but it's just not practical.

Also, you have to factor in durability. The iPad can break fairly easily where as a text book can take a real beating before needing to be replaced.

Try spilling a drink on the book.... Also should the iPad get broken or just replaced/upgraded, the book is owned in the cloud, so you just redownload. You also can't buy a replacement warranty on a text book, people have also been forgetting schools get steep educational discounts for volume purchases so it's not a $500 iPad, is more in the realm of 375 and they don't pay sales tax.

Ok, but $375+Warranty is still way higher than a $200 text book that can be dropped, kicked, thrown, slammed, and stood on.
But "spilling a drink" is not a $100+ reason to switch technology. If the kid is that clumsy with their juice, it's much cheaper to just not be drinking around the book.
And...textbooks can be read in the sun.

Though I realize now, after thinking about it, my entire example is based off the iPad replacing only 1 classes book at first(as I don't think a school will completely adopt the iPad model completely, but rather ease it in). IF you have the iPad replace ALL the books... the numbers get WAY better.
My average day had 7 classes (Language, Math, History, Health, Science, and 2 Elective Classes)
IF the iPad is set to replace ALL books, it does strike a major bargain.
7 Textbooks (figure around $200 a book): $200 x 7 = $1400
1 iPad + 7 Textbooks (figure full price for everything): $500 + ($14.99 x7) = 604.93
That's a helluva difference.

I agree that most schools are close minded and hate everything that costs money but they also love to call themselves modern and to brag about how good they are at adopting technology. I think it's just a matter of convincing them that this is the best way to both save money and attract more students.
When it comes to durability, yes, iPads are fragile but students aren't idiots. Just like they don't throw around their smartphones the way they do with textbooks, most of them will take good care of their iPads.

Only the rich schools are interested in bragging. Those schools that are really poor, still using text books from the 90s: they're just happy to get kids to graduate.
As far as the "kids taking care of their iPad", my point is it has nothing to do with intentional damage but rather incidental. Kids are clutzes. :) 1 accidental drop in the hall way, parking lot, or off the desk and that iPad is probably toast.

I think you're right. Steve Jobs nedeed a device he could read with his glasses off when he's not seeing the world through giant Apple Cinema displays.