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		<title>FCC to investigate Verizon&#8217;s $2 convenience fee</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2011/12/30/fcc-investigate-verizons-2-convenience-fee/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Wray</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[After yesterday&#8217;s news that <a href="http://www.imore.com/2011/12/29/verizon-charging-2-fee-online-phone-payments/">Verizon would be charging a $2 fee</a> for paying bills online and over the phone, the FCC has chimed in.

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<p>After yesterday&#8217;s news that <a href="http://www.imore.com/2011/12/29/verizon-charging-2-fee-online-phone-payments/">Verizon would be charging a $2 fee</a> for paying bills online and over the phone, the FCC has chimed in.</p>

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  <p>“On behalf of American consumers, we’re concerned about Verizon’s actions and are looking into the matter,” the statement said.</p>
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<p>A lot of subscribers have <a href="http://www.imore.com/2011/12/30/poll-pay-verizons-2-convenience-tax/">spoken out against Verizon&#8217;s decision</a> to institute this new convenience fee. It&#8217;ll be interesting to see what the FCC ultimately decides to do, and what if any effect that has on other networks like Sprint which don&#8217;t &#8220;surcharge&#8221; but do offer &#8220;discounts&#8221; for their preferred payment options. (Just goes to show how far smart PR and better marketing language can get carriers who aren&#8217;t Verizon&#8230;)</p>

<p>Source: <a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/30/fcc-verizon-convenience-fee/">NYT</a></p>
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		<title>Verizon to begin charging $2 fee for online and phone payments</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Wray</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our sibling site Android Central has confirmed that, beginning January 15th of 2012, <a href="http://www.imore.com/tag/verizon">Verizon Wireless</a> will start charging a $2 fee for bills paid online or over the phone.

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<p>Our sibling site Android Central has confirmed that, beginning January 15th of 2012, <a href="http://www.imore.com/tag/verizon">Verizon Wireless</a> will start charging a $2 fee for bills paid online or over the phone.</p>

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  <p>The fee will help allow us to continue to support these single bill payment options in these channels and is designed to address costs incurred by us for only those customers who choose to make single bill payments in alternate payment channels (online, mobile, telephone).</p>
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<p>Neither AT&amp;T nor Sprint charge similar fees for bills paid online or over the phone.  With AT&amp;T there is, however, a small fee for paying a bill through a customer service representative by phone instead of by IVR (interactive voice response).  </p>

<p>This may put a few subscribers off a bit.</p>

<p>Source: <a href="http://news.verizonwireless.com/news/2011/12/pr2011-12-29b.html">Verizon Wireless</a> via <a href="http://www.androidcentral.com/verizon-charge-2-fee-paying-your-bill">Android Central</a>, <a href="http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=9549">PhoneScoop</a></p>
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		<title>Updated: Man Gets Slapped With a $28,000 AT&amp;T Wireless Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2009/02/24/man-28000-att-wireless-card-bill/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Sikora</dc:creator>
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Could this be a sign of things to come with <a href="http://www.imore.com/2009/01/10/rumor-att-reducing-iphone-tethering-plan-10/">tethering and the iPhone</a>?  Will all of us who own iPhones be vulnerable to these overages if we choose]]></description>
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<p>Could this be a sign of things to come with <a href="http://www.imore.com/2009/01/10/rumor-att-reducing-iphone-tethering-plan-10/">tethering and the iPhone</a>?  Will all of us who own iPhones be vulnerable to these overages if we choose to start using software like the upcoming <a href="http://www.imore.com/2009/01/07/macworld-slingplayer-mobile-iphone-demo-video/">SlingPlayer Mobile</a>?</p>

<p>A Chicago man (Jamesus &#8212; hoping it was not you, buddy!) decided to watch a Bears game via Slingbox on his laptop before leaving for a cruise&#8230; Harmless enough one would think, but his AT&amp;T wireless data card decided to pick up a international signal while he was still in Miami&#8230; end result:  A $28,067.31 bill for international data charges.  It&#8217;s safe to say the data card was picking up the wrong signal and with a few customer service calls he eventually did get the charges dropped down to $290.65.</p>

<p>So all of you travelers out there, take heed if you are traveling on a fringe area and take all precautions to avoid something like this happening to you&#8230;</p>

<p><em>*It seems that this story comes to us via the Chicago Sun-Times and their feature: <a href="http://www.suntimes.com/news/zimmermann/1444692,CST-NWS-Fixer23.article">The Fixer</a>.  The man who was charged could not get AT&amp;T to remove the charges from customer service calls until the Sun-Times got involved and the story ended up in the paper.  Knowing that, it makes AT&amp;T look a lot worse then they already did&#8230; Ouch</em>.</p>

<p>[<em>Via <a href="http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/02/24/man-charged-28-000-for-using-data-card-slingbox-to-watch-footb/">EngadgetMobile</a></em>]</p>
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		<title>UPDATED! iPhone 3G in Canada: Regarding Rumors of Rogers Billing for WiFi&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Rene Ritchie</dc:creator>
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<p>UPDATE: More confusion! Stylemonkey in the comments below says Rogers claims not to be doing this when he called in over the phone. However, I spoke to a couple more Rogers reps and they&#8217;re still insisting they&#8217;re being told Rogers will bill for WiFi use, perplexingly by using the EMEI number of you phone. While they say Rogers can&#8217;t tell data usage this way, they can tell WiFi is being used, and will bill based on time. Ridiculous? Sounds like it. But what&#8217;s even more ridiculous is Rogers telling this to (some of?) their stores and people in the field. Crazy!</p>

<p>ORIGINAL POST:</p>

<p>So I was waiting in line at a Rogers store yesterday when the staff came out and said that if we didn&#8217;t take the <a href="http://www.imore.com/2008/06/27/iphone-in-canada-rogers-hoses-hosers-on-data-hose-eh/">Rogers&#8217; iPhone specific plans</a>, anytime we used WiFi it would be counted towards our custom plans (like the newly announced <a href="http://www.imore.com/2008/07/09/iphone-protest-smash-puny-rogers-30-for-6gb-special-promo/">$30/6GB promo</a>). They said that even though the iPhone would show WiFi, it would still count down (<a href="http://www.imore.com/2008/07/11/3g-speed-test-canadian-style-rogers-is-faaaast-eh/">crazy fast</a>) 3G data, and we&#8217;d only find out come bill time when charges came in. One of them said they were waiting on clarification from Rogers. Another said this was what Apple wanted and implemented. (Yeah, I know&#8230; I&#8217;m just repeating the comments).</p>

<p>We didn&#8217;t run the story then because we couldn&#8217;t get any confirmation of the rumor, but now other reports of people being told the same thing at different Rogers stores has turned up.</p>

<p>Read on for more!</p>

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<p>The staff seemed a bit confused between WiFi Hotspots (which the iPhone-specific plans grant free access to) and WiFi via private routers (home/work/etc.), so this sounds to me like something Rogers just completely mixed up in communicating the details.</p>

<p>As far as I understand the technology, if the 3G icon goes off and the WiFi radio icon comes on, the HSPA stops negotiating the data connections and the 801.11g radio takes over.</p>

<p>3G stays on for voice, but there should be no way for Rogers (or any carrier) to count data via WiFi and subtract it from your 3G bucket even if they wanted to.</p>

<p>One anonymous Rogers insider has stated this to be the case (that WiFi doesn&#8217;t eat your 3G bucket). Obvious, maybe, but it&#8217;s also obviously turning into a concern for people who&#8217;ve been told this, may not be engineers, and want some peace of mind.</p>

<p>Of course, the real peace of mind will come when first bills arrive, WiFi data drain free!</p>

<p>Overall, what with Rogers&#8217; Sales Central online system crashing, Apple&#8217;s iTunes authentication servers crashing, and the general crazy in the air, the lack of direction from Rogers HQ is inexcusable, especially in making sure all stores, reps, and employees were well informed, operating under unified policies (i.e. not letting non-Corporate owned stores exclude everyone but new activations), and had the tools and accessibility they needed, rather than having to call home only to find their lifelines claiming &#8220;sorry, we haven&#8217;t been trained about the iPhone).</p>

<p>NOTE: There are unrelated reports of people who are having trouble keeping WiFi signals (they connect for a moment only to have the iPhone switch back to 3G), which probably shouldn&#8217;t be confused with the above.</p>

<p>Were you at Rogers&#8217; launch? Did you hear anything about WiFi charges? Having WiFi problems? Please let us know!</p>
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