What you need to know
- A security report claims that Apple's iPhone 11 Pro is using location data even when location services are set to "never".
- The report suggests that there are some system services using location data on the new iPhone which cannot be disabled by users.
- According to the report, Apple says that this is expected behavior.
A report suggests that Apple's iPhone 11 Pro is using location data, even if you think you've switched off your location services.
According to KrebsonSecurity:
An accompanying YouTube video shows an iPhone running iOS 13.2.3, in which all of the system services are individually toggled so as not to use location data. Despite this, the location services icon seems to intermittently show up on the device, suggesting location services are still in use.
In response, an Apple engineer said:
"The icon appears for system services that do not have a switch in Settings."
As the report states, this seems to imply that even if you turn off location services for every single app and system service on your device, there are some services within iOS that you do not have the option to turn off. This means that the iPhone 11 Pro may be using location services regardless of what settings you select. The report notes that Apple has not responded to any follow-up questions regarding this issue. At this stage, it's totally unclear whether the phone is actually collecting any of the data, or if that data is being transmitted.
If the report is indeed true, it could raise some serious questions about Apple's Privacy, if its latest iPhone is found to be collecting and using location services despite the appearance that all such services can be disabled within iOS by users.
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I moved to the Apple ecosystem because of the company's firm stance on user privacy. Little things like this however, aggravate me. And Apple's statement in response simply isn't good enough for me. The implied behavior of the toggles in question were to completely disable the use of location services. Period! A simple disclaimer beside the toggle, describing the use of essential, periodic location pings would have been advised just to have avoided the sort of concern this behavior has caused.
Reason # 17 to avoid iOS 13. Still on 12.4.1. here.
In addition to the toggles for individual applications and system services, there is a global toggle at the top of Location Services window. So, if you really want no location information shared, that would be what you would toggle. It's not clear that that was done here.
"But apparently there are some system services on this model (and possibly other iPhone 11 models) which request location data and cannot be disabled by users without completely turning off location services" So - according to this - they did not turn off location services completely. It APPEARS that the global off switch kills all of this stuff. Assuming this is true, then I don't have a problem with any of this. There IS a way to turn it all off. As long as the global off switch does, in fact, turn off EVERYTHING. OTOH, there should also be individual off switches for each service. I can see that point too. But if the global off switch leaves some services running, then I have BIG problem with that. That would be Google-style deception. There is also a very detailed explanation of what is going on by tapping the "About Location Services & Privacy" link.
I'm pretty sure the global off switch turns them all off, I've tried it and not noticed it using location services for anything. Even if this was the case, it's most likely a bug, and not necessarily surprising given how buggy iOS 13 has been
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