New iPhone (iPhone 5,1) coming fall 2012 with LTE, similar sized screen
While Apple has only just released the new iPad, iMore has already started to hear more about the next generation iPhone (iPhone 5,1). We previously reported that Apple was working to reduce the size of the traditional 30-pin dock connector to something closer akin to a micro-dock so there'd be more room inside for other components (similar to how they went from a mini-SIM to a micro-SIM in 2010). Yesterday we reported that, as of last month, Apple was planning to stick with the current 3.5-inch screen size for the new iPhone, but that it wasn't set in stone and it could get a little bigger (though nowhere near as big as current 4.5-inch-plus Android phones.)
Following that story we received some additional information.
First, the new iPhone will be 4G LTE compatible. That shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone, considering the new iPad supports LTE and it's hard to imagine Apple giving the iPad a feature like that and not passing it on to the iPhone. So look for that this fall.
Second is the timeframe. We've mentioned October 2012 as the current release schedule for iPhone 5,1 before and that's still the plan. The exact date won't be determined until closer to launch, but the iPhone is locked to a fall cycle for the immediate future.
That makes sense for a number of reasons. While going from the iPhone 4 in June 2010 to the iPhone 4S in October 2011 was a longer wait than previous generations, a new iPhone release in June of 2012 would create the opposite problem -- only 9 months between iPhones. That's not dissimilar to the period of time between the Verizon iPhone 4 launch in February of 2011 and the cross-carrier iPhone 4S launch in October of the same year, but that was a unique circumstance. Apple has shown they can earn significant revenue on their flagship devices even when they've been on the market for over a year. Why unnecessarily shorten that shelf life?
Also, to date, every new iPhone has been launched alongside a new version of iOS. The last version, iOS 5, was a major, ambitious update, including iCloud and Siri, and Apple may have needed those 16 months to bring it to market. We have no specific information on how large an update Apple is planning for iOS 6, but 9 months may not be enough time for even a modest release. If Apple announces an iOS 6 SDK event this spring, like they did from 2008 to 2010, then we may start getting an idea. If iOS 6 isn't introduced to developers until WWDC, presumably in the summer like 2011, then a fall release would seem a certainty.
So to sum up, iPhone 5,1 is on track for:
- Similar if not same sized screen (currently 3.5-inch but not set in stone)
- 4G LTE radio
- New "micro dock" connector
- Fall/October 2012 release
There's some other stuff we're still looking into and we'll update asap. In the meantime, if next generation iPhone rumors and discussion are your thing, jump on into our iPhone 5 forum and have at it.
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I am a guy, and as far as I am concerned the iphone is a PERFECT screen size! I like a phone that slips easily into and out of my front pants pocket. I don't want a phone that is so large it:
a. Stabs me in the waist when in a pocket or on a holster
b. So large I need a holster to carry it, which adds bulk or falls off or snags on something when I walk by.
c. I am not a girl, so I don't carry a purse and don't want to start with the man purse thing.
d. I like the way it fits in one hand better than a larger size does.
Just leave the form factor the way it is; except reducing the bezel to increase the screen size is good, and thinner is always better. :-)
and try handing the phone to someone else to show them a picture, you're guaranteed they'll hit something.
It's a huge fault in usability if they reduce the bezel.
Only available in yellow
Sorry, I couldn't resist it
They could fit 4" in nearly the same form factor with the same pixel density and the five people out there who really only want a micro screen can go ahead and just keep buying the 4s.
Just because you're content to settle for a 3.5" screen, doesn't mean you're in the majority.
Agree. It's always good to give developers a few months to update their apps with new iOS features. And to let them make sure that iOS 6-compatible apps will still run well on iOS 5 (and maybe even iOS 4.)
And releasing iOS 6 to developers in the summer, then releasing new iPhones with iOS 6 in the fall, gives Apple time to fix bugs in iOS itself as well.
It might fall under linkbait, although by now iMore readers are used to the wording style.
Apple isn't increasing the screen size of its iphone. To do so would mean a lesser quality screen. That's not apple.
Not to mention there's not a good reason to increase the screen half an inch. The screen is already the perfect size in Apple's eyes. Apple sets the standards, not others. After all, the iphone is the top selling phone in the world and most desired.
And to say you can't have the same quality in a larger size is just plain ridiculous.
Or maybe you should take your own advice.
Seriously, the sentiment I'm getting here is that Apple is apparently incapable of transitioning an impressive display onto a bigger screen. I would expect people on iMore to, you know, have more faith in Apple being able to do something like this. I mean, HTC did it. Samsung did it. Crappy LG did it. You're telling me that, Apple, arguably the de-facto smartphone today, can't do it?
They will not increase the screen size and lose their retina quality. It's a step backwards.
They will not bump the resolution which will fragment their apps.
Besides, none of you have made any case of how a 4" oversized phone would improve anything. The iphone has already proven to be the most popular sized phone.
Regarding screen size, where have you been? Larger screen means better picture viewing, better browsing, movies are more enjoyable and typing is easier. And that's just skin-deep. You keep babbling about how the iPhone is the most popular sized phone. And how many larger screen iPhones does it compare to again? Oh, right, none. Android has the market now, and guess what? Most of their phones are at least 3.7", which is larger than the iPhone. So, yeah, size is popular, despite how ignorant you are of it's benefits.
How about someone makes a survey here and asked "Would you like the iPhone to have a larger screen" I would literally bet money on the majority of the people saying "Yes." You're an idiot if you don't think Apple should at least ante up a little so that their hardware isn't so antiquated. God knows iOS is.
Apple also likes accessories, A LOT, and I do mean A LOT. If they make you upgrade to a new connector they will call it revolutionary and the (first three rows at the event which are ALL Apple employees) will clap feverishly. New connector, new way of doing things, its revolutionary, magical.
Apple tells you what you what want and the iFans simply say yes, you are so right. My point is simple, Apple will do what they want and Apple users will simply buy it.
Besides AirPlay is the new way forward so all of the new devices will simply use AirPlay to connect to and you will just use your cable to charge it at night.
And my 4.25" phone fits just fine in all my pockets.
And also, before anyone dismisses me as an Apple fan boy, let me just say that I actually prefer Blackberry and Palm to anything else. The only reason I use an iPhone is for work, as the apps I need are iPhone-only.
Apple has earned the right to be arrogant, but they can't continue ignoring what people want. The competition today is too good.
If Apple offered a 4-4.5" phone at the same price there is little doubt it would outsell the 3.5" version. All other manufacturers have proven this. It's very consistant.
For those who argue the bigger Android phones sell better - of course they do. They are also the BEST phones. If you want a smaller screen you're stuck with 1 Ghz if you're lucky. So if you want a phone with good specs you swallow pride and grab the gigantic S2 or Nexus
And to all those "over four inches or I'm going (back) to android" folks. Enjoy!
Again you can fit a 4" screen into the existing phone or with a negligible bump like a few "mm" in size to handle it. Just compare the size of the Motorola Atrix to the iPhone 4/4S they are nearly identical.
I know Apple sometimes ditches old standards (floppy drives, parallel ports etc) but that's when there were viable alternatives and the old stuff wasn't necessary anymore. There's little wrong with the current connector and I find it hard to believe they will make something incompatible with so many existing cables and accessories.
The point you make about making existing accessories obsolete is valid, but a bit ironic, being that Apple connectors are proprietary to begin with. Right now anybody making the switch from ANYTHING to Apple has to upgrade all their accessories. Doesn't seem to hurt sales much.
Anyway, I hope they increase the power capability so the next iPad can charge quicker.
Apple doesn't really care if it's inconvenient. They think about being an innovative leader more than anything else. Their second priority is to take care of their customers, which isn't a bad thing. A good example is how they make all their new softwares available on older products. unlike other companies (E.G. BLACKBERRY!)
So Apple supports devices for a long time, well the iPhone 1, 2 and 3G DO NOT support iOS 5.x now do they. So those users are SOL. I guess they should toss their old phones out and get a new one.
And to weigh in on the screen size, I would prefer it to be what it is now or 4" at the most. I like my small slim iPhone 4, wouldn't want too much more.
Hell I'll pass on a 4 inch screen lol. I have an iPad now
You are probably wrong ... your sources are bad.
I love your mentality. It's basically, "Well, I wanted this, but since everyone else seems to be happy with theirs, I'm happy, too!" It's like you can't think for yourself and believe what Apple wants you to believe. And people wonder why they call iPhone users iSheep? You're a prime example. Newsflash, guy. Back when people thought the iPhone was a joke, what happened? It turned into a success. Back when people thought Android was crap? Guess what? It's got the market now. Back when people thought the iPhone screen was the perfect screen size? Guess what. People want bigger things now. If you prefer a smaller screen, say so. Don't act like the rest of the world suddenly agrees with you. You are not the majority, moron.
Looks like I'll be looking elsewhere as I'm not upgrading for what will basically be another iPhone 4.
I was so disappointed that the iPhone 4S was the same screen size that I didn't upgrade. Still have my iPhone 4. I could handle a 4.3" iPhone, but I think 4.0" is actually better as it could be made to fit on a body with little or no enlargement from current models of iPhone 4 and 4S.
Maybe a projector keyboard which would solve the problem of typing .
A huge battery life ... For sure .. Not like the current one ... Thinner .. Faster , edge to edge screen ...
You're all saying how AMAZING big screens on android are....yeah hows the battery life for those big screens working out?? i have a friend who has to charge her android phone after only 5 hours of use! if you want a bigger screen thats constantly connected to a charging dock, you have it, ill stick with my 3.5 that works all day from a single charge.
Actually, larger screen Android phones have decent battery life. The Galaxy S2 line has great battery life. Even the ones with LTE. So does the Note, which is the biggest thing right now. And that has LTE, too. How about that 4S? Oh, right. Battery life sucks. Oops. So much for your battery life argument. And it doesn't even have the all-draining LTE.
And yeah, you can say "I'll stick with it" all you want to... but at the end of the day, you know damn well you'd rather have a larger screen, if given the choice. Everyone does. At least man up and say Apple's strategy isn't perfect, fool.
And while we're at it - how about a dedicated camera button that's positioned better for taking pictures, especially rear-camera self shots at full arm's length? I feel like I'm dangling the dang thing off the edge of Half Dome when I attempt this.
Steve Jobs talked a lot of smack about improving camera ergonomics, but Nikon is WAY better than Apple at physically configuring the ergonomics of their products. I perceive Apple's design priorities as follows: (1) simple (2) simple (3) shiny (4) shiny (distant 10) form following function.
My children still have Iphones, and the only reason for that is the tracking feature. When my daughter at six is out walking to her friends, I can track where she is, and that she has gotten there safely.
The only thing that could make me change back to Iphone, is that Apple made a much larger screen, AND ... stopped telling me what i can and cannot install on my iphone. If I want to watch something and I need Adobe Flash, no matter how old and recource demanding it is, I can install it. If Apple is so afraid of their image of a wuick and responsive telephone, then they should still let people install it, but with a big warning about what this could result in.
Hello apple. When can you pop different screen size?? People want ios but if you keep popping out old stuff like this you will lose the young crowds who is your future customer