I've spoken before about justifying an expensive computing environment. If I can get "added value", otherwise described as the ability to use a product beyond it's intended uses, then paying a premium on components is worthwhile. If I can get longevity beyond the manufacturers intended lifespan, then that too is worthwhile.
I've recently was given a 2009 Mac Pro (opens in new tab). At one time it was the pinnacle of workstation prowess in the Apple ecosystem. I was asked to see if such an old system can cut it for today's computer workloads. Close to a decade old and comparing it to my 2014 Retina iMac, I didn't expect much from it outside of being able to use it for simple office tasks or web surfing.
My goal, however, was much more ambitious. I wanted to be able to use it as a daily driver for all of my needs. How did it fair for transcoding HD video? How well does it render and run Final Cut projects? How about gaming in VR? Can it game at all? Let's find out!
One last thing. I want to preface this retro review and state out front that during my usage, I purposely tried to update and upgrade components that I had readily available to bring the system closer to today's needed specifications for various workloads. This is not a review of a machine frozen in time. This is also review about the expandability, the adaptability, and the relevance of such a system from 2009 in today's world.
My 2009 Mac Pro came with the following components.
- Early 2009 Mac Pro running OS X El Capitan
- 2 x 2.26GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon 5500 series processors
- 12GB 1066MHz DDR3 ECC SDRAM
- ATI Radeon HD 5770 1024 MB
- 160GB SSD, 640GB SATA HDD
Having an older OS wasn't an issue per se, but my preference would be for it to be able to run macOS High Sierra so that I can definitively say or not say that it's a viable system in 2020. And Apple says that High Sierra is not supported on the 2009 Mac Pro.
macOS High Sierra
However, thanks to brilliant hackers who document their knowledge on various web forums, this limitation is easily by-passed with a firmware upgrade. The default firmware on the 2009 Mac Pro is 4,1. The needed firmware to run macOS High Sierra is 5,1 (the firmware for a 2010 Mac Pro). Upgrading the firmware couldn't have been easier. Once upgraded, the limitations were removed and I managed to install first macOS Sierra, and then macOS High Sierra. The firmware upgrade in essence turned my 2009 Mac Pro into a 2010 Mac Pro. With that firmware upgrade, other benefits also manifested. So with the OS smack dab in the modern age, I was set to look at the hardware.
Windows 10 via Boot Camp
As I stated, I wanted this Mac Pro to be my daily driver so to speak. I try to be OS agnostic, and as such, I use the Apple ecosystem for my daily computing and workflow, I use Windows for gaming, and finally, I use Linux for services.
Installing Windows 10 via Boot Camp should be a straightforward affair. It was not. I won't get into the drawn-out process but I managed to get Windows 10 installed on the HDD and I managed to do it in such a way that Windows 10 ran like a regular install would normally run rather than Windows 10 "know" that it was a Boot Camp install. The benefit to me was that I could download the latest manufacturer driver for my GPU upgrade described below. Otherwise, you'd be limited to using Apple Boot Camp specific drivers that tend to be older and missing features.
Now that I had a modern OS, I began to wonder how capable of a machine I already had without other upgrades. Looking at my requirements for transcoding, rendering video and gaming, I was anticipating decent enough abilities in transcoding and video rendering, but I had no expectations of it being able to game. However, as I stated earlier, if I could readily upgrade something, I would do so.
The system came with a 160 GB SSD drive and a SATA 640 GB HDD. Frankly, these are fine for my purpose but note that the standard SATA connections on the motherboard of the Mac Pro would make getting a larger SSD an easy upgrade.
Luckily for me, I have two eGPU enclosures both housing AMD RX 580 GPUs (opens in new tab). Recently, I noticed that although the eGPUs allowed for my MacBook Pro to have access to a full-fledged GPU, the performance was nowhere near that of a GPU that is housed on a regular PCIe slot. The reason I suspect was due to the fact the the bus speed of the Thunderbolt 3 connection to the eGPU enclose is only 1/4 of a full PCIe x16 bus. The 2009 Mac Pro has two PCIe x 16 slots. Was the 2009 Mac Pro capable of housing my pretty decent and modern GPUs? I decided to find out.
I put both of my AMD RX 580 GPUs into the Mac Pro to hopefully get higher fidelity for gaming and hardware encoding. Since I was able to already install macOS High Sierra, the upgrade was literally plug and play (with some caveats I'll detail in another article). At this point I was amazed with how I could reasonably upgrade hardware components such as a modern GPU (let alone two of them!) in such an aging system. Truly a testament to the engineering that went into designing the 2009 Mac Pro. I went from 1 GB of onboard VRAM to 2x8 GB. The system worked surprisingly well. In fact, as I mentioned previously, since I was able to install the latest AMD "Adrenaline" drivers, I knew I had the latest and greatest software those GPUs could offer. Yes crossfire worked (mostly, but I'm not certain if the issues I had were due to the Mac Pro or due to crossfire itself).
Don't get me wrong. Although I was able to install two modern GPUs in this machine, there are a couple of allowances I had to accept. Firstly, the Nehalem CPUs aren't nearly fast enough to properly feed one let alone two of the RX 580 GPUs. In fact, in order for me to have stability, I had to reduce the power draw on the GPUs so that it didn't shut off my Mac Pro since the power draw was too high. Benching between various tests the difference was only a few percentage points lower when using reduced power but the benefits of having both GPUs was still apparent. Remember, I'm not looking to see if the 2009 Mac Pro can best a modern equivalent. I'm seeing if along it's lifespan, various upgrades and updates can keep it within an acceptable performance level. So far, it seems like it can.
Another issue, while gaming specifically, is that due to the relatively weak single thread capabilities of the CPUs, is that although average frame rates were decent, the fluctuation of the highest frame rates to the lowest frame rates in a single game could vary wildly causing jarring stuttering at times but not enough for me to state that the game was unplayable. Especially considering the age of the system it was running on. If you're hard pressed and can't afford the newest system, you can STILL get by on this machine from 2009.
Memory and CPU upgrades
So far I have not spent any extra cash on updating the 2009 Mac Pro. Up until I actually tried using the machine, I never even really considered upgrading the CPU or memory. However, seeing how promising the dual GPU upgrade went, I started researching the possibility of purchasing an upgraded CPU and memory.
The firmware upgrade that I performed taking the system from 4,1 to 5,1 made this CPU and memory upgrade an even better proposition. Memory wise, I could now install faster 1333 DDR3 memory. Up to 128GB of it if so inclined. On the CPU front, the firmware update now supports the considerably faster Westmere Intel Xeon chips. Not only do they have faster clock speeds, but they also have more cores per chip. The system could be upgraded to 12 cores running at 3.06 GHz. The most amazing part is that would bring the 2009 Mac Pro on par with the Mac Pros sold up until the release of the 2013 "trash can" Mac Pro and in doing so, giving the 2013 model a run for it's money.
And it's this ability to upgrade it to Westmere that again shows that although not the fastest, not even the most efficient, but still is relevant for today's workloads. With the bulk of the cost of the machine already paid for, these incremental upgrades offer excellent cost benefit over buying a similarly or slightly better spec'd workstation. Remember value added over time.
Although I have yet to perform the upgrade of memory and CPU, I've found some vendors selling the whole CPU and memory tray on eBay at the cost of around $1000 where you can simply swap out the old one and put in the new one. Or if you just want to upgrade only one of the components, you can do so for considerably less. You simply need to make certain that you buy CPUs that are compatible with your current CPU and memory tray. A single core tray cannot be upgraded to a dual-core tray for example. So you need to buy either a single core chip or two dual-core chips. I'm looking out for deals so if you spot any, leave me a comment to let me know!
So after all of the updates and upgrades I performed, the 2009 Mac Pro now looks like this:
- Early 2009 Mac Pro running macOS High Sierra
- 2 x 2.26GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon 5500 series processors
- 12GB 1066MHz DDR3 ECC SDRAM
- 2x Radeon RX 580 8 GB GPUs
- 160GB SSD, 640GB sata HDD
Although I'll be showcasing some metrics here it is not intended as a scientific comparison between systems. In fact, I'll be using a variety of more modern hardware to compare the various workloads to the 2009 Mac Pro. Again, the purpose of this retro review is to see if the venerable 2009 Mac Pro still has it in this day and age if you were to have upgraded components over the years instead of buying a whole new system. Or perhaps if you like the idea of repurposing older hardware.
The three areas that I'll focus on are Transcoding HD video, rendering video in Final Cut Pro, and finally, VR and regular gaming.
Transcoding HD Video
For my transcoding comparison, I converted Star Trek VI: Undiscovered country from a Blu-ray dump I made a while ago. The starting file size is 22GB in size. I'm using the HandBrake Fast 1080p30 preset and I'm placing the 22GB file onto the desktop so each machine reads and writes to their respective SSDs.
I ran the 2009 Mac Pro against my current work computer, a 2014 Retina iMac with an i7 4970k 4 core 8 thread 4 GHz CPU and 16 GB of 1600 MHz DDR3 memory. I also had access to a 2017 iMac Pro with a 3.2 GHz Intel Xeon W 8 core 16 thread CPU and 32GB of 2666 MHz DDR4 RAM.
- 2009 Mac Pro transcode time: 42 minutes
- 2014 Retina iMac transcode time: 35 minutes
- 2017 iMac Pro transcode time: 16 minutes
The 2009 Mac Pro is not the fastest and yes it's 7 minutes slower than the 2014 iMac but it's far from being outclassed. In fact, I'd even deem it pretty good even if not considering it's age. This is also using the slowest available processors for the Mac Pro. An upgrade to the CPU and memory is looking more and more enticing rather than getting a completely new system. Expectedly, the 2017 iMac Pro is far ahead.
Final Cut Pro
Although we've seen that the 2009 Mac Pro can still keep up with more modern hardware when encoding using the CPU, can it feed the GPUs hardware encoding via OpenCL?
A 10-minute 1080p video was edited with transitions and other effects. The export of the edited video was encoded in h.264.
- 2009 Mac Pro with 2x RX 580 8GB GPUs: 9 minutes 45 seconds
- 2014 Retina iMac with M295x 4GB GPU: 1 minute 36 seconds
- 2017 iMac Pro with AMD VEGA 56 GPU: 1 minute 14 seconds
I can't be certain if I was pegging either or both GPUs on the Mac Pro during encoding using OpenCL.
If FCP is your thing, then as of this writing, the 2009 Mac Pro seems to fall flat. However, I'll keep on researching to see if I've set up everything so that the OpenCL capable GPUs are being properly utilized.
This being said, the 2009 Mac Pro not unusable for FCP by any means. If finances are a thing and upgrading to the latest and greatest is not an option then this will do your editing and rendering just fine. When doing actual editing pre-export, things such as the scrubbing, the adding of effects and transitions, importing files drawing clips, etc…I could detect no discernible difference in these aspects from any of the machines. And if we get the OpenCL issue ironed out, it'll likely be way superior to the 2014 iMac in this regard.
LuxMark OpenCL test
As a result of the poor FCP performance, I decided to test OpenCL capabilities using LuxMark to see if the system is actually using the GPUs.
- 2009 Mac Pro OpenCL GPU score: 5316
- 2017 iMac Pro OpenCL GPU score: 3600
- 2014 Retina iMac OpenCL GPU score: 1419
- 2009 Mac Pro OpenCL CPU+GPU score: 5982
- 2017 iMac Pro OpenCL CPU+GPU score: 4467
- 2014 Retina iMac OpenCL CPU+GPU score: 1862
Wow. The 2009 Mac Pro blows all of the competition away with its dual GPU setup. As you can see the two RX 580s in the 2009 Mac Pro have beastly OpenCL compute capabilities. Why FCP didn't take advantage of the GPUs is as of yet unknown. But if you use OpenCL, then the dual RX 580s in the 2009 Mac Pro have much better performance than the mobile GPU in the newer iMac or even the "entry level" iMac Pro. The simple fact that I can upgrade the GPU in the Mac Pro makes the older machine the much better performer over time.
Gaming and VR
Being OS agnostic I've run some quick graphics benches on macOS and Windows 10 using a variety of hardware. This is not to be an apples to apples comparison but to give you an idea of how the 2009 Mac Pro with its updates compared to other more modern machines.
Mac graphics scores at 1080p
I'm not a big Mac gamer, but I wouldn't mind being one if the hardware is capable and the games exist. In any event, here are some synthetic results for the GPUs in a few macOS running systems. Please note that under macOS the tests did not utilize both RX 580 GPUs in the 2009 Mac Pro. List is from best to worst:
- 2017 iMac Pro with Radeon Pro Vega 56 8GB GPU Valley benchmark OpenGL: score 2444 FPS:58.4 avg/30.8 min/103.3max
- 2009 Mac Pro with 2x RX 580 8GB GPUs Valley benchmark OpenGL: score 1625 FPS:38.8 avg/16.9 min/62.5 max
- 2014 Retina iMac with M295x 4GB GPU Valley benchmark OpenGL: score 1085 FPS:25.9 avg/14.3 min/44.7 max
- 2017 iMac Pro with Radeon Pro Vega 56 8GB GPU Heaven benchmark OpenGL: score 1423 FPS 56.5 avg/10.8 min/115.2 max
- 2009 Mac Pro with 2x RX 580 8GB GPUs Heaven benchmark OpenGL: score 891 FPS 35.4 avg/7.8 min/76.0 max
- 2014 Retina iMac with M295x 4GB GPU Heaven benchmark OpenGL: score 512 FPS 20.4 avg/7.5 min/42.6 max
The Mac Pro outperforms the 2014 iMac. Had both GPUs been utilized during the graphics test under macOS then I'd also suspect that the 2009 Mac Pro would also have bested the brand new iMac Pro. These are not great numbers for any of the systems other than the 2017 iMac Pro having passible scores. However, most gaming is done using Windows with Crossfire support (both GPUs running in tandem to display 3D graphics) so I continued my gaming tests in Boot Camp.
Windows graphics scores at 1080p
For this test I'll be comparing the 2009 Mac Pro to a completely Windows 10 only computer with some powerful specs. It has an Intel I7 6700k with 16GB of DD4 2133 RAM and a Nvidia FE GTX 1080ti. Graphically, the components in the 2009 Mac Pro (nor the graphics components in the iMac Pro) cannot come close to matching the performance of the Windows 10 system. Once again, this comparison is only to demonstrate how the 2009 Mac Pro performs relative to more modern systems.
- 2009 Mac Pro Valley benchmark Direct X 11 crossfire with 2x RX 580 8GB GPUs: score 2100 FPS:50.2 avg/20.0 min/84.0 max
- Windows PC Valley benchmark Direct X 11 with GTX 1080 ti GPU: score 4788 FPS:114.4 avg/32.8 min/200.5 max
- 2009 Mac Pro Heaven benchmark Direct X 11 crossfire with 2x RX 580 8GB GPUs : score 2203 FPS:87.5 avg/14.2 min/169.9 max
- Windows PC Heaven benchmark Direct X 11 with GTX 1080 ti: score 3564 FPS:141.5 avg/30.3 min/283.7 max
- 2009 Mac Pro Middle Earth Shadow of Mordor Direct X 11 crossfire RX 580 ultra preset 1080p: FPS:73.89 avg/33.55 min/122.03 max
- Windows PC Middle Earth Shadow of Mordor Direct X 11 GTX 1080ti ultra preset 1080p: FPS:188.00 avg/83.58 min/322.07 max
Now these results show some promise but there are some issues with the wildly ranging frame time minimums and maximums. This will lead to stutter in games. However, once again, it's not a complete dud by any means. Can you get a better gaming system? Of course. But if you have this machine and want to still game with it, it's quite capable. I'd even say it's pretty good. You can easily play games at 1080p on the 2009 Mac Pro if you can ignore the occasional hiccup.
I don't have any metrics when it comes to VR. VR games have a high bar when it comes to system requirements. Technically, the GPUs in our 2009 Mac Pro are slightly above the minimum needed for decent VR gaming. The CPUs are not considered capable enough.
That being said, I still tried my HTC Vive on the Mac Pro with Windows 10. Incredibly, the system was quite capable of running VR applications at their minimum requirements. A machine that was born nearly a decade ago (with a little bit of help from hardware I had at my disposal) still has the chops to run VR. Color me impressed.
For those of you who bought the Mac Pro in 2009 and are still using it for your main computing, I say kudos to you for buying a system that has such amazing value. The entry level iMac Pro costs around $5000. When the 2009 Mac Pro came out it cost around $3200. Add to that around $1000 for the GPUs I added to the system and we hit $4200. You could argue that the two machines are around the same price when factoring for inflation. Can someone who buys an iMac Pro today say that they'll be able to still hang with the latest revisions of the Pro line in 9 years time? Without the ability to upgrade components like we can in the 2009 Mac Pro, I sincerely doubt it.
And yes I say that it can hang with the latest and greatest systems. In some areas, like with OpenCL computation, we made it insanely fast. Much faster than an iMac and an iMac Pro. It some areas it plays in the ballpark like when transcoding videos. Others seem to show it's age like when exporting Final Cut Pro videos but it does not show it's age when using a FCP workflow like editing, transforming and scrubbing.
Is it the fastest all-round? No. Does it have the latest hardware ports and technologies? Nope. Can it make a good work/play station without the need to drop another 5 grand for the latest iteration? Definitely. If you happen upon a 2009 Mac Pro that's in working order for a decent price, snatch that baby up. You'll get a lot more out of it than you have to pay into it. So to answer the question "Is a 2009 Mac Pro is still relevant in 2020?" You're damned right it is.
Do you have and old Mac that you still use on a daily basis? Is there a retro review you'd like to see on iMore? Tell us about it in the comments!
Very very interesting! I am trying to move over to Mac from the PC world but am finding the high costs to be a real deterrent. I don't need to do video or gaming. I really only need a music station. What is the cheapest way to go? should I get the old Mac Pro like you have here, or should I go mac mini or MacBook Air? All I need is Fender Fuse,Garageband, Ableton live lite 9, Spotify, and maybe Logic pro
Although I'm not terribly familiar with the horsepower requirements of a music station, if you don't need graphical power like OpenCL capabilities or the processing power of many cores then I think a Mac mini would suit you best for cost and capabilities. The other reason why I'd go with the Mac mini over an old Mac Pro (other than not needing the horsepower) is that you'll be guaranteed to get the latest software support whereas the older Mac Pro will require you to also be a macOS tinkerer to keep things going.
Good to know, I don't want to tinker anymore, thus the move to Mac. I just want a stable station. I'll have to see what the education event next week hold for MacBook air. I like the idea of portability but it's not 100% required
I was in the market for a Mac mini a few years ago when I stumbled upon a 2010 macPro 2.8 Quad Xeon, 32gb 1066 ddr3 ecc, ATI HD 5770, 1tb sata hd, 2tb sata hd (time machine, etc) running El Cap 10.11.6 (I prefer this over the Sierras) on dual Led Cinema Displays (27"+ 24")...it's runs GB, Logic Pro X & Ableton Live 9 Suite just fine imo...the reason I eventually went w/the macPro is the fact that you can easily upgrade it well beyond what you can do w/the mini...also, the design/build quality of the mac Pro's are just on another level, right down to the air flow, it's built like a tank on the inside & out... ps: if I remember correctly, you can't just pop the cover off some of the minis & swap out the ram, it's soldered in there, I think it's the later versions, the Air might be the same way so look into that & maybe think about a mbP if you want to go portable, just make sure you can easily swap the ram on it b/c on the newest ones you can't...
I have a similar recent experience, being given a Mid-2009 MacBook Pro. New battery, upped the RAM from 2GB to 8 GB and swapped the original 160GB HDD for a 240GB SSD. Through patches, got it also up to High Sierra. For a completely competent laptop for doing most tasks it works great, considering it’s 9 years old. Makes me definitely want to look at Apple for a new laptop if/when the time comes. I really think Apple needs to consider selling a MacOS enthusiasts edition, that runs on acceptable Intel hardware. They need to stop wasting time and money on desktops that rarely get hardware updates and just focus on the software and portable hardware. I think it would fix part of their problem.
I'm still using a 2008 Mac Pro (dual quad core, 16GM mem) as my office system. Works just great, but stuck on El Capitan. Anyone know if you can upgrade a 3,1 system to 5,1 firmware?
Look up dosdude1 dot com.
Second this for reasons stated above.
Using a 5,1 3.46GHZ Hex w/ 24GB of Ram and a GTX 1070. Believe me, it eats VR for breakfast, and gaming at 1440p is bliss!
Where did you get the 5,1 firmware update from? I have a 2009 I'd like to update as well after reading your article :)
I did not notice that you installed the usb 3.0 card. I still use 8 core Mac Pro 2008, which I upgraded to some extent (USB 3.0, Radeon HD5770, 32GB RAM, SSD, 4+2 hard drives (Mac Pro has two extra internal sata connectors!) 2 SSD drives I've installed in one empty dvd bay), but I'm still interested in upgrading to the High Sierra and the newer graphics card. Is this possible on this machine?
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Great article but you are wrong about the Final Cut Pro X Part. FCPX does use OpenCL (or Metal) for rendering effects and realtime playback, not to encode and export h264 files. For exporting it uses specialised video encoding chips for hardware accelerated encoding. Your 2009 Mac Pro lacks these chips, so it exports using the CPU which is much slower for these tasks. It is the same reason Handbrake conversion takes much longer on the 2009 Mac Pro.
Thank you for the explanation!
I'm still using a 2008 Mac Pro as my main photography machine, only upgrades have been an SSD for the main drive and a RAM Upgrade. I am still running Aperture software and still on El Capitan, but for what I need its perfect. For everything else I use my Macbooks.
Great article! I've been researching the same type of upgrades to the older Mac Pros. I'm fortunate to own one of the new iMac Pros myself (took advantage of that $1,000 off sale at Micro Center stores), but to me -- it's really not the same thing. With the iMac Pro, you're paying for a nice 5K 27" display, plus a workstation "crammed in" to the monitor-size enclosure. Great computer -- but the opposite of expandable. Definitely can't add your choice of PCIe cards or up to 4 standard size drives to one, internally! One "tip" you might not have considered? I've seen people get around the challenge of not having enough power in the Mac Pro power supply to drive their video cards by adding a second power supply to one. There are special power supplies made for this purpose that fit into one of the 5.25" drive bays. Most Mac Pro owners don't have a second optical drive occupying that lower slot -- so you can put it in there. Then you'll no longer have that limitation of having to throttle back your video cards to a low power draw mode.
Thank you for the tip!
I have been running a Mac Pro 3,1 with upgraded dual processors, 32GB of RAM and a GXT 680 driving two 30" Apple Cinema Displays under Yosemite for some time. It will do pretty much anything I toss at it. While I've considered the patch to run Sierra, everything I need to do happens under Yosemite without issues, so the idea of updating doesn't really have a lot of value at this time. I've been a long time user of Mac Pros as legacy machines and highly recommend it. These ar estill very powerful computers despite their age, are easily upgraded, and thanks to a vibrant user community can still run most modern software. Not to mention they're not terribly expensive. I've been watching the market to see if I can find a 4,1 or even a 5,1, many of which are falling into the $500 range these days.
Very nice article! I'm still using my mid-2010 Mac Pro (Six Core 3.33GHz (2010/Westmere) as my main machine. I've replaced one of the Superdrives with a 512GB SSD, upgraded to 24GB of memory and of course added a few 2TB SATA drives. Works great.
Your comments about replacing the processor are very helpful - I'd been researching how to do that! Apple is rumored to come out with a "real" MacPro this year though so we'll see.
For Final Cut Pro, can you run a BruceX test on that? That's sort of the go-to test project where there are a lot of effects and I think it uses the GPU heavily. https://blog.alex4d.com/2013/10/30/brucex-a-new-fcpx-benchmark/
I'd love to see if there is a way to speed up your FCP renders. I have a 2009 2x.93 with a Radeon 7970 card and it's a huge improvement from the 5770 card. I plan on keeping this machine for a while longer. I'm waiting to see what the "modular Mac Pro" is going to be. I sent a letter to Tim asking to please pay attention to the pro users who want modular/upgradeable not the trash can.
From time 2 time I still use a Mac Classic with System 6 to write text - works surprisingly well for it's age.
It gets the job done and I have a usb diskette reader to transfer stuff to another computer.
Readers of this article may also appreciate the series of articles published by photographer Thomas Pindelski on his website on how to upgrade a 2009 or later Mac Pro to current technologies. On his website the articles are found under Technical | Mac Pro.
http://pindelski.org/Photography/technical/mac-pro/ Article Index: Part I – Choices
▪ Choices for a used Mac Pro.
▪ Why the 2009 Mac Pro.
▪ FU Steve retires. Part II – Xeon CPUs
▪ Aspects of improving performance.
▪ Stock Geekbench and Cinebench data.
▪ Cable dots. Part III – Memory and Airport
▪ Enhancing memory and its correct installation.
▪ Native Airport card installation for wi-fi.
▪ Processor cage removal.
▪ Migrated Hackintosh issues.
Part IV – Firmware and EFI
▪ Power consumption data.
▪ Installing 2.5″ drives properly.
▪ Firmware upgrade from 4,1 to 5,1.
▪ Updating EFI.
▪ SMC and PRAM resets. Part V – Relocate an internal SSD and Blu-Ray
▪ Maximizing internal storage.
▪ Relocating an SSD to the optical bay area.
▪ Blu-Ray DVD reader/burners and Superdrives.
Part VI – Manuals
▪ Where to buy the Service Manual and why one is essential.
▪ Original Mac Pro web page at Apple.com and selling prices. Part VII – Parts
▪ Repairs – common repair parts, sources and cost.
Really interesting article and one that is giving me pause for thought; I’m wondering about “upgrading” my late 2012 iMac to a 5,1 Mac Pro (2010 or 2012) given the lease of life you have brought to a 2009 MP. UK prices for these generations of refurbished machines aren’t completely unreasonable given the potential performance and longevity. Two questions on the article if I may.
You mentioned in the article that installing Windows 10 wasn’t done via Bootcamp, so what method did you follow? What are the caveats regarding the
Dual graphics card installation?
Hi, For windows installs without boot camp I followed this: http://fgimian.github.io/blog/2016/03/12/installing-windows-10-on-a-mac-without-bootcamp/ For the video cards. 1) when booting from power off, you don't see the anything on screen during it's boot phase as the CPUs are not supported by apple. If you need to run recovery tools, you'll need your original card. 2) When installing updates under macOS for firmware or OS upgrades, you'll also need to have your original card installed. 3) The motherboard I was using had two slots with PCIe x16 but are right next to each other. If you plan on dual GPU then you'll need to have a slim profile card to get that benefit. 4) I needed to reduce the power draw of my dual cpu setup at full usage or else the computer would shutdown. Another option would be to instal supplementary power adapter in the superdrive bay.
Great, thanks for the reply! One last question, if you were doing this again with another MacPro would you suggest spending more on a single higher spec’d card? i.e. an Nvidia Titan? I’ve been looking at two UK outlets offering refurbished machines with different (single card based) graphics options.
Part VIII – Graphics
▪ All about graphics cards.
▪ Better graphics with non-Apple aftermarket cards.
▪ Graphics card installation and benchmarks.
▪ Multiple displays.
▪ Sound levels.
▪ Anomalies with non-‘Made-for-Mac’ cards and their resolution.
▪ Running two graphics cards.
▪ Revised power consumption data with two cards.
▪ nVidia web drivers. Part IX – Value
▪ The value proposition.
▪ Why the Hackintosh no longer solves as an OS X machine.
Part X – Heat
▪ Temperature and fan issues.
▪ Cooling down the hot Northbridge chip. Part XI – Installing faster CPUs.
▪ Hire an expert to do this high risk job correctly. Part XII – Stress tests
▪ Power consumption.
▪ Stress tests and diagnosis of problems.
Part XIII – Cost
▪ The all in cost of a state-of-the-art Mac Pro.
▪ What are the major Mac Pro models and their differences?
▪ Don’t be cheated by firmware upgrades.
▪ How to look up your serial number.
▪ Buying used – what to look for and what to avoid. Part XIV – USB3 and Blu-Ray
▪ Install a powered USB3 card for a 100 performance gain.
▪ Parts and cost.
▪ The unpowered USB3 card option.
▪ Adding a Blu-Ray burner.
▪ Back-up strategy. Part XV – HTPC
▪ The Mac Pro as a Home Theater PC.
▪ Model choice.
▪ Enabling HDMI.
▪ USB3 for Blu-Ray movies.
Part XVI – SATA III
▪ Install a SATA III card for a performance gain.
▪ SATA III drive installation and expansion options.
▪ Converting old SATA II drives to SATA III speed or better. Part XVIII – HDDs
▪ Adding a larger SATA III data HDD.
▪ PCIe slot power use and limits.
▪ Striping two SATA II HDDs into one using RAID 0 for SATA III speeds.
▪ Performance data.
Part XIX – Upgrading the 4-core Mac Pro CPU.
▪ Have an expert to do this high risk job correctly. Part XX – The new Mac Pro.
▪ A poor value for still photographers.
▪ Can be easily outperformed in PS and LR with a 2009 4-core Part XXI – The best Graphics card.
▪ A ‘Made for Mac’ EVGA nVidia GTX680.
▪ 4K capability comes stock.
▪ A cost effective upgrade for the new breed of displays.
▪ Power use and performance data included.
You mention that you can upgrade to dual 3.06GHz 6-core CPUs. The truth is, you can go to dual 3.46GHz CPUs (Xeon X5690). I have done so on both 2009 and 2010 Mac Pros. These are inexpensive now on eBay and would surely give you a huge boost over the chips you're currently running. The only issue is that the 2009 machines used lidless CPUs, as opposed to the 2010s which used normal ones. This means that changing the chips in a 2009 is tricky. Google it. It's not super hard. With 2010s, it's duck-soup simple. Also, someone asked a question about USB3 cards. Yes, this is very doable and works well. I use an Inateck card (see Amazon) but I can't remember the model. Never a problem. Also, something that can really help is booting from an SSD installed directly in a PCIe slot, bypassing the SATA bus. This is how modern Macs do it. In fact, you can (and I did) use an SSD from a current-generation Mac Pro (trash can), same as various MacBooks prior to the touch bar design. You just mount it on a cheap (under $20) daughter card and stick it in the slot. Done. I don't remember the exact board I use. A quick Google showed that OWC sells such a board now, OWCPCIEA13SSD, for $80, but since there are literally no brains on the board, you're safe using a $20 one. I also need to point out Mac Vid Cards .com, where I bought my Nvidia 980 Ti (old now, I know, but they sell newer boards) so that I can (and do) run on a 4K screen in Retina mode. Works great! Hope this helps someone. In my opinion, the 2009/2010 Mac Pros are the best machines Apple ever made. If it weren't for the lack of on-CPU acceleration for encoding/decoding video, they'd still be the fastest thing out there.
Thank you for the benchmarking of the 2009. I have a 3,1 but I found this invaluable.
Well, I just did it. I upgraded my 2012 Mac Pro to -- a 2012 Mac Pro (meh face). Surprisingly, it's quite the upgrade given the restriction of using the same logic board -- went from 6 core 3.33Ghz to 12 core 3.46ghz, from 24gb of ram to 128gb of ram, and am adding a 4tb SSD, which should make for a MUCH snappier experience. The stupid thing, is that the problem with Apple is that everything they have that doesn't come in a laptop or monitor chasis is either underpowered (mini) or overkill (mac pro)... or at least it would be if the mac pro wasn't only a year newer than my "old" one (really meh face). I'd have waited for the 2019 mac pro, except that I've come to the conclusion that Apple will want to position that above, not parallel to the iMac Pro, which means it'll come with an entry point of overkill hardware to make it cost more than the iMac Pro's $5000 price tag, which is itself artificially high because it comes attached to a 5k display that I don't want or need, and that will probably outlast the computer's useful life span, but still have to be tossed with the computer. What I really needed, for the love of god, is accessible RAM slots and PCIe slots. An i9 with PCIe and upgradable RAM would be perfect. Ok, I can get the PCIe slots by paying extra to have spaghetti daisy chained external cases dangling off my "sleek designer" iMac, because that obviously looks better than just having a computer case under the desk. (rolls eyes) Unfortunately, looking ahead to the 2019 Mac Pro -- which is more likely: Apple releases a $2000 i9 tower with PCIe, storage bays, and upgradable RAM, or Apple releases an $8000 dual CPU Xeon in a goofy chasis with thunderbolt 3 "modular" expansion and no internal card slots or storage bays, and soldered on storage and RAM? Ok, so Apple might actually make a Mac Pro with upgradable RAM and m.2 slots, but still... it's not for people wanting an OSX desktop without it coming with a screen attached to it. (sigh). It's sad, but the most practical and useful macs are either old classic Mac Pros no longer sold by Apple, or hackintoshes. (sigh). I'd have spent $3000-$4000 on an Apple desktop instead of upgrading my old one if they offered one that met my actual needs.
I was looking for a Mac Mini, and stumbled upon a mid 2011 iMac 21.5 with only 4gb of ram in it. It was on ebay, and I bought it for $218. Then I spent about $50 and put more ram in it. 12gb now. It had/has an old slow spinning 500gb HDD inside that was so slow that it wouldn't run Xcode properly. So I then bought an Akitio Thunderbolt to eSATA mini dock for $89 (they are now $79) and a Crucial MX500 250gb SSD for $55 brand new. Wow! All I had to do then was clone my old slow HDD onto the new SSD. I used the free version of Carbon Copy Clone, and it took about 20 min. then I made
the Crucial SSD the startup drive. It was easy even though I've never done anything like this before. I love the way Apple works, lol. I'm a new convert.
i wrote a letter of resignation to Bill Gates, but i digress. Anyway that little 2.5" SSD is running my old 2011 iMac like a bolt of lightning now, with the latest OS...High Sierra 10.13.6 and never had to go inside the thing. Although I think I will very soon, I want to learn how to properly tinker with the Apple products. Was always afraid to mess with PCs and always had someone else do it. Something has changed. I was with PCs for years doing all sorts of things. My 1st Operating System was Windows 98, to let you know how long. This is refreshing to me. I have been looking at the old Mac Pros thinking that would be a tinkerers dream. : )) This little Akitio dock will let you run two SSDs at the same time, so I now have the OS and all my major programs on the Crucial 250gb, and for photos and music I have a small 120gb SSD. (SanDisk SSD Plus) soon to be replaced by either a Samsung 850 evo 500gb, or another Crucial MX500 500gb. And the old spinning 500gb piece of rust inside is now doing backups. It can do that. When I do finally crack it open I will replace that with a large SSD by either Samsung or Crucial. : )) Rich
I have the opportunity of picking up a Mac Pro 2.26 A1289 for free. I think this is early 2009. I have no experience with OSX but would like to learn. I can't afford to install physical upgrades barring a 1 TB HDD. Is it worth taking it or would I be better virtualising the environment in VMWare or VirtualBox?
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