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So where are all the new Macs for 2016?

Siri on the Mac
Siri on the Mac (Image credit: iMore)

By this time last year, Apple had introduced the then all-new 12-inch MacBook, updated the 13-inch MacBook Pro, spec-bumped both the 11 and 13-inch MacBooks Air, updated the 15-inch MacBook Pro, and introduced a less expensive version of the 27-inch Retina 5K iMac. This year, all we've gotten so far is a spec-bumped 12-inch MacBook.

Let's be clear: I want new Macs as much as anyone. I didn't buy last year's MacBook Pro because I was waiting on this year's. I didn't buy the first-generation new Mac Pro because I was waiting on the second. (I ultimately went iMac because the wait was so long and the screen so pretty.) But this isn't a a complainer piece. This is a thought exercise. I've moved on through my stages of no-new-Mac grief, dodging acceptance, and into the realm of desperately trying to make sense of it all.

Now, we've had droughts when it's come to Apple product announcements before. Between iPad 3 and Apple Watch, we went a couple of years with no March event and sometimes no new announcements at all until WWDC in June. We did have a March event this year, and did get iPhone SE, the 9.7-inch iPad Pro, new Apple Watch bands, and the aforementioned MacBook update.

Last year, there were rumors we'd get the new Apple TV at WWDC in June but it ended up being shown off at the September and shipping in October instead. This year there were rumors we'd get the new MacBook Pro at WWDC, but it ended up being all about software instead. So what's the deal?

MacBooks Air

When Steve Jobs pulled the original MacBook Air from a manila envelope at Macworld 2008, it reset all expectations. The current 2011 design has been unabashedly adopted by almost every other manufacturer on the planet. It's become iconic. But it's also an icon that's reaching the end of the line.

The new MacBook has replaced the old MacBook Air as lightest laptop in Apple's lineup, just like the Air replaced the old MacBook. The Air exists now to fill Apple's "starting at $899" price point, much as the old MacBook did before it was retired.

Once the new MacBook — and it's Retina display — come down in price, the MacBook Air won't be long for this world.

MacBook

MacBook

MacBook (Image credit: iMore)

Apple already bumped the 12-inch MacBook this year, taking it up to a current-generation Intel Skylake Core-M processor. Intel crippled the m3 enough that you can feel it struggle at times, but the m5, and especially the m7, are fast enough for any mainstream computing needs. The current MacBook is still aspirational, the way the original MacBook Air was, but it'll become everyday soon enough, just like the 2011 MacBook Air redesign did.

It'd be great if Apple introduced a 14-inch MacBook as well, setting it up as a full-on Air replacement. If that happens, it'll be when everything is in place to properly drive the bigger screen experience, even if the mainstream price points are still to come.

MacBooks Pro

Here's where things get interesting. Apple updated the 13-inch MacBook Pro back in March of 2015 with then-current generation Intel Broadwell processors. There were no chips appropriate for the 15-inch MacBook Pro at the time, so in May Apple updated it with previous-generation Haswell processors. A month later, Intel shipped those chips.

That's a stark reminder of how dependent Macs remain on Intel processor roadmaps — and sometimes the roadmaps of graphics processor vendors like AMD as well.

Intel has since introduced the next-generation Skylake, which Apple adopted it for the 12-inch MacBook in March of 2015, but hasn't updated either the 13-inch or 15-inch MacBooks Pro with it.

Microsoft did choose to go with Skylake for its SurfaceBook convertible, but it was plagued with issues, including a failure for the machines to sleep, which caused them to get incredibly hot in bags.

Like with the MacBooks Air, Apple's design for the Pro has been largely emulated by the industry at large, and merely bumping the specs to current generation chips isn't that interesting anymore. That's why rumors have included everything from OLED function rows, to Touch ID, to mics capable of handling "Hey, Siri!"

There was speculation an all-new MacBooks Pro would debut at WWDC in June. That'd make it easy to see why Apple wouldn't spec-bump the old design in March or May. (Can you imagine the reaction of those who bought spec-bumped MacBooks Pro only a month before all-new MacBooks Pro were launched? Yeah…)

If that plan was later changed, and the product demanded a big, public demo at launch, these days that would likely mean the fall. That's what happened with the Apple TV last year. It was scheduled for WWDC, then rescheduled, and that meant the fall event.

If that's what's happening here, and there will be new MacBooks Pro this fall, then that's still a long time between updates — Slightly longer even than the time between iPhone 4 in June of 2010 and iPhone 4s in October of 2011. And that's frustrating for people who simply want a spec-bump to get existing work done faster. But it's what happens when the technology being readied is more than just a spec bump.

iMac

iMac

iMac (Image credit: iMore)

For the last couple of years, the iMac has been updated in October. In 2014 that included the introduction of the 27-inch Retina 5K iMac. In 2015, the introduction of the 21.5-inch Retina 4K iMac and the update of both sizes to DCI-P3 wide-gamut color space.

The 27-inch model has current-generation Intel Skylake processors, though the 21.5-inch was introduced with previous-generation Broadwell processors. That's thanks to Intel not producing Skylake processors with the integrated Iris graphics appropriate for the 21.5 inch. How Apple addresses that this year will be interesting to see.

Either way, we'd likely not see iMac updates until later this fall anyway, and Intel's increasingly unpredictable roadmap makes it tough to know what, if anything, will be ready for iMac by then.

Mac mini

Apple's bring-your-own-mouse-and-keyboard Mac, the mini, hasn't been updated since 2014's unibody model. It's currently on Intel's two-generations-back Haswell architecture as well. There was no Broadwell update and, so far, there's been no Haswell update, much less Skylake.

Mac mini hasn't been on a yearly update cycle since 2012. It skipped 2013 and skipped 2015. It's never skipped two years, though, far as I can recall.

While beloved by Apple-centric home theater enthusiasts and those who want Mac servers at home, it's primarily positioned as the least expensive point of entry for Mac desktops. It's easy to think that probably makes it low on the attention list, but there could be more at play here, as well.

Mac Pro

2013 Mac Pro

2013 Mac Pro (Image credit: Rene Ritchie / iMore)

The New Mac Pro was first shown off with "no longer innovating my ass" fanfare back at WWDC 2013 and it first started shipping at the end of the year. Since then, nothing.

Xeon chips are used in the Mac Pro, but Apple chose not to update when the Haswell versions were introduced. Apple has also chosen not to upgrade the graphics cards for the last few years either, which could, on a machine designed for OpenCL, have improved performance despite no GPU update.

It's possible Apple's been waiting on Xeon Broadwell or even Skylake to update. That'd be a long, long time between updates, though, especially for the high-end customers who want or need bleeding edge performance — the very customers Mac Pro is designed for.

So where are the new Macs?

Given how Apple typically operates, and the rumors surrounding this year's Mac lineup, here's the only scenario that currently makes sense to me:

  • Apple didn't release spring updates for the MacBooks Pro because the company anticipated having the new MacBook Pro ready by summer.
  • When the summer timeline no longer made sense, and given the update was big enough to benefit from a keynote debut, Apple reset for fall.
  • Because of technologies coming with the new Macs, perhaps including a new display that worked with all of them, presenting them as a group would have the biggest impact (or all of them simply had to be set for the fall for similar reasons anyway).
  • So, fall for everything.

That's all either possible, or so wrong it's making a bunch of product people laugh their collective innovating-my-asses off right now. Apple could ship them any time, of course, with or without an event. It just seems like if they're getting a big update, they'd get a big intro.

Either way, it's a question we're getting asked all the time these days, almost every day. I ran into one of my biggest heroes in the software industry a few weeks back and his first question was — "where's the new MacBook Pro?!"

It's a question Apple must be getting exponentially more as well, and one only the company can answer. And if history is any indicator, the company will only do that when they're ready.

Rene Ritchie
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Rene Ritchie is one of the most respected Apple analysts in the business, reaching a combined audience of over 40 million readers a month. His YouTube channel, Vector, has over 90 thousand subscribers and 14 million views and his podcasts, including Debug, have been downloaded over 20 million times. He also regularly co-hosts MacBreak Weekly for the TWiT network and co-hosted CES Live! and Talk Mobile. Based in Montreal, Rene is a former director of product marketing, web developer, and graphic designer. He's authored several books and appeared on numerous television and radio segments to discuss Apple and the technology industry. When not working, he likes to cook, grapple, and spend time with his friends and family.

131 Comments
  • Maybe its simply a case that Schiller's @$$ has run out of innovations?
  • Could be allot of things. I see it is from now on just small upgrades only .. speed bump's in CPU's here and there, maybe a new chip, but it will be nothing in speeds.... 0.5 - 1 Ghz increase. Touch ID on Mac could be good, but the process is slowing down.. I wanna scream & shout again...
  • I believe I am one of an increasing number who have started to evaluate non Mac laptops in the past 12 months. Apple's policy of secrecy, combined with unimpressive progress with MBPro the last few years, and finally cost ... finally caused me to start to pay attention and explore the competition. I have found that the competition has made significant progress, at a truly compelling price point relative to MBPro. Lenovo Yoga 900 and 900s. HP Spectre (if only it were not "brown"). The economy, global threats, we are all learning to evaluate risk and are realizing that we need more money in the bank and investments, retirement. As a result, Apple will bring their pricing down, or will experience consequences that many of their employees have no memory of. Apple will inevitably have to change their DNA to one that communicates with their customers in a different way, and mistakes and associated pain will finally break the arrogance.
  • I purchased a 13" MacBook Pro late last year. I too looked at other options from companies including Dell, Microsoft, Lenovo, and HP. My biggest issue has and will always be battery life. I'm not sure what Apple is doing but their notebooks slaughter others when it comes to battery life. I would have spent close to the same amount as I did for my MacBook Pro buying a Wintel notebook that was just as powerful, had a screen with a high resolution, and could easily get 9-10 hours of real world usage. So I could have gone with a Surface Book for $1300 or the MBP for $1150 (Best Buy was running a promotion). I could have gone with the Yoga 900 for $1000 but have to deal with only getting 4-5 hours of work on a single charge. Apple's pricing isn't all that bad especially when compared to other OEMs that implement matching specs, build quality, and battery life.
  • Agreed. I actually want to play with Windows 10, but it is difficult to find any windows machine at any price that competes with Apple's battery life.
    The almost glitch-free OS experience is a plus, too.
    I would love to know how Apple seems to get so much out of their batteries.
    Even the high powered Macbook Pro 15" does very, very well in this regard.
  • I had a Surface Pro 2, Surface 3, and Surface Pro 3 for a while and MS was on track to get excellent battery life out of hardware with Windows 8.1. The Pro 2 I had (Core i5, 128GB SSD, 4GB RAM) would easily get about 7 hours of internet browsing on a charge. Paired with the keyboard battery accessory, it would get 10 hours of internet surfing. I then picked up a Surface 3 and it would get 9 hours of internet surfing. Then Windows 10 came along and that was reduced to 4 hours no matter what I did. Even with the battery saver feature turned on, I could only ever squeeze 4 hours out of it. Picked up a Surface Pro 3 with Windows 8.1 and it would get 9 hours of internet surfing. That too was reduced to 4 hours with Windows 10. I'm not sure what MS and other OEMs are doing but battery life shouldn't decrease, especially by half, with software updates. Maybe the anniversary update fixes some of that. I just don't know what Apple is doing to get so much out of their units with the hardware that they pack in them.
  • The secret to Apple's battery life is the OS, if you run Windows on your Mac you won't get nearly as much battery life. The same applies with iOS compared to Android
  • Pretty sure you meant to say 27-inch Retina iMac 5k, not 17-inch
  • Just a thought, but could it be that Apple is preparing Macs to run on their own A chips? Similar as the Intel move a couple of years ago and its taking longer then expected?
  • Man I hope not.
  • Same here. I love my Mac but I NEED my X86 compatibility which I get with Parallels (unfortunately, Visio, project and a few others are not available on Mac). Switching back to emulation would mean I would have to abandon MAC OS because emulation crawls. That would suck... Big time.
  • just like they have ARM on iOS, if Apple did ARM on Mac, they'd just switch, it would be too bad for developers who rely on x86, so Apple could do ARM but hardware based x86 code for those applications that need it on Mac like Parallels and VMWare. Software could be good like they did with Rosetta, but hardware would be preferred. If ARM come to Mac, there would have to be x86 compatibility, because the *instant switch* would be far too much for developers. They'd be total chaos . as developers scramble to update their app as fast as possible to keep users happy.
  • Extremely unlikely. Apple would have to rewrite macOS to work on ARM. The A9 and A9X are really the only chips that could run macOS anyway. Plus, it would render Boot Camp unusable.
  • I have zero doubt that an ARM version of macOS has existed for awhile now
  • Yep. Just like the x86 version was being developed and tested years before we saw productions Macs running on Intel. I'm sure Apple does a whole bunch of things a whole bunch of different ways that we never see.
  • I also have zero doubt that it’s either not very good or has serious compatibility issues too.
  • I could see ARM and x68 (some sort of emulation mode)
  • Not going to happen for several more years, if ever. ARM would be a big step down in performance for all but the entry level macbooks, plus you'd lose bootcamp compatibility, which has been a major driver of Mac sales since 2006.
  • Where are the new Macs? There are no more new Macs, instead Apple will announce in September at the annual iPhone event, that they are finally going to license the MacOs to third party PC manufacturers and OEMs.
  • Not in a million years. Apple only has a small handful of configurations and still there are severe bugs. What would happen with the universe of hardware?
  • Another common refrain is that Apple may one day release ARM Macs, echoing the PowerPC/Intel transition. But that was the Apple-of-old, before they were a chip maker. Here's a thought experiment: what if Apple were to make Intel-compatible chips? Macs are power user tools now, especially the Pro lines, workstations now that our phones have become our main "personal" computers. A huge amount of our professional working software depends on the Intel architecture and won't quickly and easily transition to ARM. That might undermine the long-term strength of the Mac platform considerably -- with the entire PC market contracting, would there be enough developer momentum to ever port important apps to ARM macOS? Instead, if Apple were to make Intel clone parts, either through a licensing deal with Intel or perhaps an acquisition (hi, AMD!), they would gain the desired control over their platform's implementation while avoiding the pain of transitioning the entire Mac developer base to a new CPU architecture.
  • Developers would have to make universal Mac binaries for ARM as well as X86. A simple recompilation would do the trick. But unlike iOS apps, there is a whole lot more that they would have to worry about, the biggest factor being performance. A mere recompilation wouldn't be sufficient for providing the same performance. A lot of Mac devs rely on deeper, lower level OS X frameworks for carrying out all sorts of math operations. This is where significant changes would arise too. And tuning up those low level frameworks for a new chip means throwing a bunch of stuff out the window, modifying other things, keeping a few things as is. This all means reimplementing core functionalities in your application to take advantage of those changes in the underlying frameworks. If you small 4-5 or even 10 -15 person Mac software shop, you would delve into all this right in. But if you are Adobe or Microsoft or some others, reworking the app would not be a top priority. But who knows. Maybe Apple will have these people on stage the day they introduce ARM based Macs so they could show that all their Pro line apps are already ready for the new products. I dont think that they will do Rosetta like emulation stuff this time around.
  • I have no problem with a delayed upgrade/update. I can do 90% of the work I need to on an iPad Air 2 (which I may replace with a 12" iPad Pro in the upcoming months). For all other work, I rely on a MacBook Air, which still does the work I need it too. My real concern is that Apple is neglecting the entry level market that helps create life-long customers. I would love to be able to buy some sort of education version of the MacBook or iPad Air. For example, my daughter wanted a laptop that can run Robot C (a Windows-Only programming language used by her school). If I wanted to get her something affordable, I would have to go the Windows PC route and find something in the $300-$400 range. It would be nice to get her a macOS (even polycarbonate body) computer with 8gb RAM, 128GB storage and a 12" screen for $500-$600. It is the operating system and software that I apprecieate most about Apple products, but Apple seems to want to ignore this sector of the market. The same goes for iPads. You can't sell the virtues of an iPad over a Chromebook to most cash strapped public school systems. But again, I think that Apple softaware (their's and that developed by independent developers) is much better than much of what you find on Windows.
  • So long as you don't need MS office cause functionality wise Windows version of Office is WAY superior to that made available to MAC. Other than that, I pretty much agree with you related to quality of software. As for your point regarding low cost hardware: Seems it's just not their business plan so I don't see-it happening anytime soon.
  • You mean in the Windows version of Office there are even more functions and options you don't know how to use properly in the first place? For text processing near 100% can be done on Pages or LibreOffice without any difficulties. For typesetting I think the results from Pages is generally much better than what I get from Word or LibreOffice. And if you want to do REAL typesetting, Word isn't going to cut it. It never transcends the I-wrote-this-in-Word-and-it-shows and falls flat on its face as soon as you compare the output against what can be easily attained with TeX.
    I have never understood why people would be willing to waste so much money on effectively useless software like Microsoft Office.
  • You are correct that most functions are not used\understood by most of us. That's not what i'm talking about. I'm talking about integration. For example; My work workflow requires that I share documents using OneNote on Sharepoint or on local shared drive. I can, with the click of a button send a onenote and assign-it to someone, make-it a task for myself or someone else, I can take an email from Outlook and send-it directly to OneNote without using the cloud (internal confidential stuff here, no cloud if it's not internal), etc, etc. I can't do any of that stuff with the MAC version of the suite. Heck, I can't even open a local one note file on MAC. MS in its infinite wisdom has decided that I MUST use the cloud. So sure, Individually, I can mostly do everything that each product from the windows version can do (Sometimes less, sometimes more). But as soon as I want to tightly integrate-it with my workflow AND remain compatible with the rest of the industry, forget-it. And so, i'm forced to run Windows version in parallels with hardly no integration with my Mac. As for the reason why people are willing to waste so much money on MS office, it's simple. With a few exception (Google, Apple) it's hardly possible to work in a fortune 5000 and NEVER use office if you produce document as a significant part of your job and I suspect most MAC user know this. I'm an IT professional and was a consultant for almost 20 years. I've delt pretty exclusively with large enterprise (Fortune 5000+). I can't recall how often I've seen large enterprise try to cut the cord from Windows and Office for something else (OpenOffice, Linux, Mac, OS\2, Solaris, etc). In the end, they always crawl back. The market is just too strongly entrenched, there's always SOME exception, it's like a cockroach, you just can't get rid of it. I'm not saying I like it but it is what it is...
  • I'd wager that part of the reason these attempts to move off end up failing is that workflows and solutions are developed in a Windows-centric fashion. I've seen it happen too. "Well, we had to get rid of our Macs because they don't support this in-house app or that middleware solution." When asked, "if you made this app in-house, why didn't you make a Mac version? And why didn't you support a cross-platform middleware solution?" Crickets. It's easy to say many platforms doesn't support a specific tool, but it's a lot harder to say that it doesn't support the task you are doing with that tool. And it's Mac, not MAC. ;-)
  • u must be a tech..... Only techie's would mean their "always accurate"
  • Thing is. My company use M$ products and I have the Mac version. Sometimes they just don’t open properly at home. The formatting is off, the macros are wonky or something.
    Is there a config issue I doubt it, but even if there is why can it not just work out of the box?
  • One word answers your "why" question: Compatibility.
  • I still think something is afoot. I see a definite uptick in discounted sales of a lot of hardware across the laptop branch...
  • I'm tempted to but the m7 version of the macbook as my Vaio is on the way out. The question I have is do I get the macbook now or try and get through to Sep/Oct on the hope of a new pro coming out?????? As a side, anyone tried running windows on the macbook through boot camp?
  • Let me google that for you
    http://bfy.tw/6owP
    (couldn't resist ;p)
  • Fine and good. But those of us how count on Macs to make our living want meaningful, productive updates. I would rather see Apple focus on CPU and GPU updates as soon as they are available, then focus on fancy hardware designs and OS features that barely work, and add very little value to my workflow. Give me the old Mac Pro or a Mac Mini with the old designs, but with the fastest CPUs and GPUs available. Give me an iMac with a decent (not necessarily retina) screen that doesn't take 120 seconds to fully boot. Apple keeps designing away its own competitive advantages. Time to refocus, if you ask me.
  • I agree so much with this. And if iOS is their focus, then they don't need to take years to remodel the Macs every time just so they can introduce them with big fanfare. Just make a solid dependable box that will handle updates for years to come, and give them updates as necessary. We don't need fanfare, we just need fast, dependable Macs. Heck, all I want is a Mac mini with the innards of the high-end 5K iMac.
  • so a Apple focus more on "gaming" world.. That would be a change. I guess if Apple gave us top notch hardware in a portable device, there there would be little reason to buy a 5KiMac, apart from the screen, which u could also argue u can just connect a 4K non Apple display to a "4K Mac mini" So much for the iMac ....
  • my feeling is September... Not sure about the Mac Pro, I wouldn't except an update. of any kind.. If Apple was serious they would be updating this professional cylinder more regularly. I don't think Apple is holding out for anything new just to update the Mac Pro either. I could be wrong, but based on the scale the Mac Pro has not been updated *history*, i fail to see it happen. As for the rest,,,, u bet ... Hoping for a Mac Mini update as well with SSD as default. And for some reason, everyone wants 4K by Apple on tvOS
  • I think the next MacBook Pro will likely be my last. Not for any other reason except the realisation that Apple's priority list looks like this:
    - iPhone
    - iPhone
    - iPhone
    - iPhone
    - iPhone
    - iPhone
    - iPhone
    - iPhone
    - iPhone
    - iPad
    - iPhone
    - New building
    - iPhone
    - iWatch
    - iPhone
    - Watch bands
    - Head phones
    - iCar
    - iPhone
    - Music
    - Software
    - Macbook
    - Watch bands
    - iPhone
    - iMac
    - Education
    - Accessibility
    - Watch bands
    - Apple TV
    - MacMini
    - MacBook Pro
    - Watch bands
    - International tax minimisation
    - Redesigning the Apple store layout
    - MacPro It will be well over 4 years between when I bought my current MacBook Pro and when the next one gets released. I normally turn notebooks over every 2.5 years (just before warranty runs out) as this is used for work. I can't afford to have problems. I'll take every bit of processing power and storage. With this machine I've been forced to get it repaired out of warranty as the current MacBook Pro is essentially the same as the one that I have - a smidgen faster processor, better graphics, but memory is still 16GB and storage is still stuck at 1TB compared to the 750GB of my current computer. It's not that hard to drop larger storage in, or faster GPU's. Last year they could have broken the 16GB memory limit - but instead we got a new touch pad that did just what the last one did. Given that the Mac is becoming even less relevant to Apple, and Pro users even less so, given it's over 4 years this time around, next time around it will probably by 5 or more years before Apple casts a glance at the Mac line again. Will I be waiting? I suspect not. I recently had a Mac Mini that was used as a PVR / media server that was dying over the period of 12 months. The easiest decision would have been to buy a Mac Mini to replace it - but the Mac Mini's currently available are slower than other Mac Mini's I already own - I want to move ahead in performance - not backwards. Your business model can't be to treat your historic customers with contempt.
  • +1 Well said.
  • You forgot emojis. That should be somewhere in the top 10, I think. :)
  • And don't forget politically correct social causes too..
  • For sure.... gotta do those. Especially considering...
    http://babylonbee.com/news/king-saudi-arabia-really-getting-kick-apple-l...
  • while that priority list is pretty awesome, i'm wondering who you're going to turn to for the innovation you desire if not Apple? the "laptop" is so far along in it's product maturity cycle that innovation is expected to be slower than mobile (tablets/phones). spec bumps are even starting to become normal for mobile at this point...
  • This is the best time to try non-apple device! The mentioned surface Book has all its launch issues solved (and no, it never got "incredibly hot", although some initial models did get warm when they failed to sleep), and is one of the best portable devices in the market. Nothing else comes even close in terms of battery life, screen quality, features, and in some ways even performance.
  • Battery life ? LOL
  • You know many devices that last 10 hours of heavy use, and up to 15 hours of moderate use? And at the same time have a beautiful, high-contrast, very bright screen with resolution of 3000x2000?
  • Well.. Apple is king of battery I guess in term usage.. how many other non-Apple laptops do u know that time-slices the battery usage based on what the user is currently doing at the time?
  • I don't know what you mean by "time slice". I just know that it I work in Microsoft Word and do light browsing in a dark coffee shop (so brightness is at ~40%), my surface Book battery goes to about 50% after 6h work.
  • Apple has been doing this for a while now. My 13" MacBook Pro gets 10 hours of heavy use, about 12 hours of internet surfing and watching movies. Apple has had that mark for a couple of years now with the 13" MacBook Pro. This isn't a matter of Microsoft having one of the only devices that can last 10 hours. It's a case of Microsoft catching up to what Apple has done for years.
  • +1
  • Only "problem" with that route is you have to use Windows.
  • True, this is only for OS/ecosystem agnostic people. But most people are, even if they don't know it.
  • Not a valid problem at all. I have friends that, (much as I cannot fathom it), don’t like OSX.
  • Let's just agree that it's a problem for some, but not others. A lot of users chose Macs because of OS X. And a lot didn't.
  • That’s true and yet the vast majority of people for whatever reason choose Windows at home and work.
  • i've used windows for decades. it's fine. i even added it to may mac book because it's still useful. I prefer the way it handles files actually.
  • Just another reason not to switch to Mac. That said, I don't think Apple cares about the past so much as iOS is the future, not macOS.
  • It's not so much that it's the future, although an argument can be made for that, it's that iPhone / iPad are where the money are. Posted via the iMore App for Android
  • Well, the iPhone is where the money is. iPad year-over-year growth (and tablets in general actually) have been declining for 8 straight quarters. And who knows when (or if) it'll come back to growth. And I say this as an iPad Pro user.
  • Yes, and I think the 'new' Apple is a bit too short-sighted to recognize the value of the full eco-system. The 'old' Apple knew this well, and even put a lot of effort in products that weren't so profitable, but would pay off long-term or were crucial in the big picture. (The 'new' Apple reminds me more, each day, of the Apple of the mid-90s.... just more cash going into to it, but even more short-sighted.)
  • I really want to see Apple spend more time on the OSs. With the exception of security updates and big bug fixes, how about no new macOS *ever* year. Maybe get more bugs fixed, more user friendly features returned to the OS, and *maybe* then get two years of a consistent UI instead of "hey, where'd that feature go??". Ok, Macs with USB3.1 and a 30" Retina Monitor.
  • After running a hackintosh for 4 years to get round the lack of a decent MacPro with great GPUs, I returned briefly to the Apple fold for a "real" MacPro which has proved slower than the hack!
    I setup my first Linux Mint machine a few weeks ago and it kicks the MacPro's backside (iMore your censor software is prudish) too.
    If Apple does not do something very soon with pro hardware, this Apple user of 30+ years is gone... .
  • Have you tried Elementary?
  • I hear you... the question is, where to go? While Apple seems to be letting the Mac line die on the vine, it's still better (for now) than the alternatives. But, I'm afraid that day is coming, so it's good to be prepared and start looking/experimenting, I guess.
  • Interesting, as I have been considering the same route. Could you send me a list, if possible, of what you used and how you put it together? I have heard of some users who have had compatibility issues.
  • As a dad looking to outfit my college-bound daughter with a new Mac laptop that will serve her well for the next 4 years, I'm really disappointed that Apple missed the "back to school" season with a new MacBook Pro. I don't have the luxury of waiting til 4Q.
  • Your college student doesn't need a MacBook Pro unless they plan on majoring in the arts in some way that will utilize that hardware.
  • You're probably right but it will most certainly make dad's life a LOT easier then with Windows. I'm an IT pro and i've given my 3 kids both PC's and MAC's. I can tell you, my life is a lot simpler now that everyone is on a MAC and\or iOS.
  • I think they meant something like a MacBook Air as opposed to the Pro... not Windows! :)
  • Unfortunately, I think the Air is getting longer in the tooth than the Pro, and may just be discontinued. However, our oldest daughter has had an Air since starting college 3 years ago and it's been good for her.
  • Yes, if you're looking for bang for the buck and don't have too high or CPU/GPU requirements (i.e.: most users outside 3D, CAD, maybe graphic artist, gamers), and don't need a high-end display, the Air is hard to beat. That's what I use when mobile. I'd love a MB, but it's just a bit too underpowered right now, but *really* close. And, since I have a desktop (and do some of the above stuff), a MBP is kind of expensive and big/heavy to justify. Or, if one can do it all with one computer... I guess the MBP is a good choice (price/performance). I still do some 24x7 maxed out CPU stuff though, so I'm still in the desktop/laptop combo situation. (Also, note for some applications, eGPUs are becoming feasible to supplement GPU-anemic machines that would otherwise be OK. http://barefeats.com/bizon_box.html )
  • From a durability and longevity standpoint I prefer Macs. Plus, I think the MacBook Pro is the best value among Apple laptops, even at the higher price. It has the best blend of power, portability, and long-term usability, plus the Retina display. And a 2.6 GHz processor and 8GB make should give it plenty of horsepower for 3-5 years. YMMV, of course.
  • I'm looking to get a laptop this fall, and I'm hoping it'll be a MacBook of some kind. So I hope they update soon. I have Windows 10 on my desktop, because I'm a gamer, and while gaming on the go could be appealing, I really just want to write on it, and watch TV shows/movies from a portable hard drive. So I'll also want something with HDMI out so when we go on vacation, we can hook it up to the TV wherever we go. I see a lot of longtime Apple users disgruntled, but the grass isn't any greener on the Windows side. Windows 10 is okay, and I like building PCs, but drivers mismatch and everyone points fingers at everyone else and it's just a sloppy mess. So with Apple, you know what you're getting, all from one company which has been pretty consistent. I guess this doesn't rule out a Surface Book, since I believe Microsoft is making the hardware (?) but in my experience, Apple laptops tend to last longer. Not sure how true that is. I last had a laptop in 2002 (!) and it did hold up a few years. It wasn't too bad. But it was expensive. HP. Don't remember much about it, but it came with XP and 256MB RAM, and I upgraded it to 512MB. And I do know with Macs you can't upgrade them at all. So what you buy is what you're stuck with for the life of the product. And I'm okay with that if I get something good that will last.