So where are all the new Macs for 2016?

Siri on the Mac
Siri on the Mac (Image credit: iMore)

By this time last year, Apple had introduced the then all-new 12-inch MacBook, updated the 13-inch MacBook Pro, spec-bumped both the 11 and 13-inch MacBooks Air, updated the 15-inch MacBook Pro, and introduced a less expensive version of the 27-inch Retina 5K iMac. This year, all we've gotten so far is a spec-bumped 12-inch MacBook.

Let's be clear: I want new Macs as much as anyone. I didn't buy last year's MacBook Pro because I was waiting on this year's. I didn't buy the first-generation new Mac Pro because I was waiting on the second. (I ultimately went iMac because the wait was so long and the screen so pretty.) But this isn't a a complainer piece. This is a thought exercise. I've moved on through my stages of no-new-Mac grief, dodging acceptance, and into the realm of desperately trying to make sense of it all.

Now, we've had droughts when it's come to Apple product announcements before. Between iPad 3 and Apple Watch, we went a couple of years with no March event and sometimes no new announcements at all until WWDC in June. We did have a March event this year, and did get iPhone SE, the 9.7-inch iPad Pro, new Apple Watch bands, and the aforementioned MacBook update.

Last year, there were rumors we'd get the new Apple TV at WWDC in June but it ended up being shown off at the September and shipping in October instead. This year there were rumors we'd get the new MacBook Pro at WWDC, but it ended up being all about software instead. So what's the deal?

MacBooks Air

When Steve Jobs pulled the original MacBook Air from a manila envelope at Macworld 2008, it reset all expectations. The current 2011 design has been unabashedly adopted by almost every other manufacturer on the planet. It's become iconic. But it's also an icon that's reaching the end of the line.

The new MacBook has replaced the old MacBook Air as lightest laptop in Apple's lineup, just like the Air replaced the old MacBook. The Air exists now to fill Apple's "starting at $899" price point, much as the old MacBook did before it was retired.

Once the new MacBook — and it's Retina display — come down in price, the MacBook Air won't be long for this world.

MacBook

MacBook

MacBook (Image credit: iMore)

Apple already bumped the 12-inch MacBook this year, taking it up to a current-generation Intel Skylake Core-M processor. Intel crippled the m3 enough that you can feel it struggle at times, but the m5, and especially the m7, are fast enough for any mainstream computing needs. The current MacBook is still aspirational, the way the original MacBook Air was, but it'll become everyday soon enough, just like the 2011 MacBook Air redesign did.

It'd be great if Apple introduced a 14-inch MacBook as well, setting it up as a full-on Air replacement. If that happens, it'll be when everything is in place to properly drive the bigger screen experience, even if the mainstream price points are still to come.

MacBooks Pro

Here's where things get interesting. Apple updated the 13-inch MacBook Pro back in March of 2015 with then-current generation Intel Broadwell processors. There were no chips appropriate for the 15-inch MacBook Pro at the time, so in May Apple updated it with previous-generation Haswell processors. A month later, Intel shipped those chips.

That's a stark reminder of how dependent Macs remain on Intel processor roadmaps — and sometimes the roadmaps of graphics processor vendors like AMD as well.

Intel has since introduced the next-generation Skylake, which Apple adopted it for the 12-inch MacBook in March of 2015, but hasn't updated either the 13-inch or 15-inch MacBooks Pro with it.

Microsoft did choose to go with Skylake for its SurfaceBook convertible, but it was plagued with issues, including a failure for the machines to sleep, which caused them to get incredibly hot in bags.

Like with the MacBooks Air, Apple's design for the Pro has been largely emulated by the industry at large, and merely bumping the specs to current generation chips isn't that interesting anymore. That's why rumors have included everything from OLED function rows, to Touch ID, to mics capable of handling "Hey, Siri!"

There was speculation an all-new MacBooks Pro would debut at WWDC in June. That'd make it easy to see why Apple wouldn't spec-bump the old design in March or May. (Can you imagine the reaction of those who bought spec-bumped MacBooks Pro only a month before all-new MacBooks Pro were launched? Yeah…)

If that plan was later changed, and the product demanded a big, public demo at launch, these days that would likely mean the fall. That's what happened with the Apple TV last year. It was scheduled for WWDC, then rescheduled, and that meant the fall event.

If that's what's happening here, and there will be new MacBooks Pro this fall, then that's still a long time between updates — Slightly longer even than the time between iPhone 4 in June of 2010 and iPhone 4s in October of 2011. And that's frustrating for people who simply want a spec-bump to get existing work done faster. But it's what happens when the technology being readied is more than just a spec bump.

iMac

iMac

iMac (Image credit: iMore)

For the last couple of years, the iMac has been updated in October. In 2014 that included the introduction of the 27-inch Retina 5K iMac. In 2015, the introduction of the 21.5-inch Retina 4K iMac and the update of both sizes to DCI-P3 wide-gamut color space.

The 27-inch model has current-generation Intel Skylake processors, though the 21.5-inch was introduced with previous-generation Broadwell processors. That's thanks to Intel not producing Skylake processors with the integrated Iris graphics appropriate for the 21.5 inch. How Apple addresses that this year will be interesting to see.

Either way, we'd likely not see iMac updates until later this fall anyway, and Intel's increasingly unpredictable roadmap makes it tough to know what, if anything, will be ready for iMac by then.

Mac mini

Apple's bring-your-own-mouse-and-keyboard Mac, the mini, hasn't been updated since 2014's unibody model. It's currently on Intel's two-generations-back Haswell architecture as well. There was no Broadwell update and, so far, there's been no Haswell update, much less Skylake.

Mac mini hasn't been on a yearly update cycle since 2012. It skipped 2013 and skipped 2015. It's never skipped two years, though, far as I can recall.

While beloved by Apple-centric home theater enthusiasts and those who want Mac servers at home, it's primarily positioned as the least expensive point of entry for Mac desktops. It's easy to think that probably makes it low on the attention list, but there could be more at play here, as well.

Mac Pro

2013 Mac Pro

2013 Mac Pro (Image credit: Rene Ritchie / iMore)

The New Mac Pro was first shown off with "no longer innovating my ass" fanfare back at WWDC 2013 and it first started shipping at the end of the year. Since then, nothing.

Xeon chips are used in the Mac Pro, but Apple chose not to update when the Haswell versions were introduced. Apple has also chosen not to upgrade the graphics cards for the last few years either, which could, on a machine designed for OpenCL, have improved performance despite no GPU update.

It's possible Apple's been waiting on Xeon Broadwell or even Skylake to update. That'd be a long, long time between updates, though, especially for the high-end customers who want or need bleeding edge performance — the very customers Mac Pro is designed for.

So where are the new Macs?

Given how Apple typically operates, and the rumors surrounding this year's Mac lineup, here's the only scenario that currently makes sense to me:

  • Apple didn't release spring updates for the MacBooks Pro because the company anticipated having the new MacBook Pro ready by summer.
  • When the summer timeline no longer made sense, and given the update was big enough to benefit from a keynote debut, Apple reset for fall.
  • Because of technologies coming with the new Macs, perhaps including a new display that worked with all of them, presenting them as a group would have the biggest impact (or all of them simply had to be set for the fall for similar reasons anyway).
  • So, fall for everything.

That's all either possible, or so wrong it's making a bunch of product people laugh their collective innovating-my-asses off right now. Apple could ship them any time, of course, with or without an event. It just seems like if they're getting a big update, they'd get a big intro.

Either way, it's a question we're getting asked all the time these days, almost every day. I ran into one of my biggest heroes in the software industry a few weeks back and his first question was — "where's the new MacBook Pro?!"

It's a question Apple must be getting exponentially more as well, and one only the company can answer. And if history is any indicator, the company will only do that when they're ready.

Rene Ritchie
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Rene Ritchie is one of the most respected Apple analysts in the business, reaching a combined audience of over 40 million readers a month. His YouTube channel, Vector, has over 90 thousand subscribers and 14 million views and his podcasts, including Debug, have been downloaded over 20 million times. He also regularly co-hosts MacBreak Weekly for the TWiT network and co-hosted CES Live! and Talk Mobile. Based in Montreal, Rene is a former director of product marketing, web developer, and graphic designer. He's authored several books and appeared on numerous television and radio segments to discuss Apple and the technology industry. When not working, he likes to cook, grapple, and spend time with his friends and family.

131 Comments
  • Maybe its simply a case that Schiller's @$$ has run out of innovations?
  • Could be allot of things. I see it is from now on just small upgrades only .. speed bump's in CPU's here and there, maybe a new chip, but it will be nothing in speeds.... 0.5 - 1 Ghz increase. Touch ID on Mac could be good, but the process is slowing down.. I wanna scream & shout again...
  • I believe I am one of an increasing number who have started to evaluate non Mac laptops in the past 12 months. Apple's policy of secrecy, combined with unimpressive progress with MBPro the last few years, and finally cost ... finally caused me to start to pay attention and explore the competition. I have found that the competition has made significant progress, at a truly compelling price point relative to MBPro. Lenovo Yoga 900 and 900s. HP Spectre (if only it were not "brown"). The economy, global threats, we are all learning to evaluate risk and are realizing that we need more money in the bank and investments, retirement. As a result, Apple will bring their pricing down, or will experience consequences that many of their employees have no memory of. Apple will inevitably have to change their DNA to one that communicates with their customers in a different way, and mistakes and associated pain will finally break the arrogance.
  • I purchased a 13" MacBook Pro late last year. I too looked at other options from companies including Dell, Microsoft, Lenovo, and HP. My biggest issue has and will always be battery life. I'm not sure what Apple is doing but their notebooks slaughter others when it comes to battery life. I would have spent close to the same amount as I did for my MacBook Pro buying a Wintel notebook that was just as powerful, had a screen with a high resolution, and could easily get 9-10 hours of real world usage. So I could have gone with a Surface Book for $1300 or the MBP for $1150 (Best Buy was running a promotion). I could have gone with the Yoga 900 for $1000 but have to deal with only getting 4-5 hours of work on a single charge. Apple's pricing isn't all that bad especially when compared to other OEMs that implement matching specs, build quality, and battery life.
  • Agreed. I actually want to play with Windows 10, but it is difficult to find any windows machine at any price that competes with Apple's battery life.
    The almost glitch-free OS experience is a plus, too.
    I would love to know how Apple seems to get so much out of their batteries.
    Even the high powered Macbook Pro 15" does very, very well in this regard.
  • I had a Surface Pro 2, Surface 3, and Surface Pro 3 for a while and MS was on track to get excellent battery life out of hardware with Windows 8.1. The Pro 2 I had (Core i5, 128GB SSD, 4GB RAM) would easily get about 7 hours of internet browsing on a charge. Paired with the keyboard battery accessory, it would get 10 hours of internet surfing. I then picked up a Surface 3 and it would get 9 hours of internet surfing. Then Windows 10 came along and that was reduced to 4 hours no matter what I did. Even with the battery saver feature turned on, I could only ever squeeze 4 hours out of it. Picked up a Surface Pro 3 with Windows 8.1 and it would get 9 hours of internet surfing. That too was reduced to 4 hours with Windows 10. I'm not sure what MS and other OEMs are doing but battery life shouldn't decrease, especially by half, with software updates. Maybe the anniversary update fixes some of that. I just don't know what Apple is doing to get so much out of their units with the hardware that they pack in them.
  • The secret to Apple's battery life is the OS, if you run Windows on your Mac you won't get nearly as much battery life. The same applies with iOS compared to Android
  • Pretty sure you meant to say 27-inch Retina iMac 5k, not 17-inch
  • Just a thought, but could it be that Apple is preparing Macs to run on their own A chips? Similar as the Intel move a couple of years ago and its taking longer then expected?
  • Man I hope not.
  • Same here. I love my Mac but I NEED my X86 compatibility which I get with Parallels (unfortunately, Visio, project and a few others are not available on Mac). Switching back to emulation would mean I would have to abandon MAC OS because emulation crawls. That would suck... Big time.
  • just like they have ARM on iOS, if Apple did ARM on Mac, they'd just switch, it would be too bad for developers who rely on x86, so Apple could do ARM but hardware based x86 code for those applications that need it on Mac like Parallels and VMWare. Software could be good like they did with Rosetta, but hardware would be preferred. If ARM come to Mac, there would have to be x86 compatibility, because the *instant switch* would be far too much for developers. They'd be total chaos . as developers scramble to update their app as fast as possible to keep users happy.
  • Extremely unlikely. Apple would have to rewrite macOS to work on ARM. The A9 and A9X are really the only chips that could run macOS anyway. Plus, it would render Boot Camp unusable.
  • I have zero doubt that an ARM version of macOS has existed for awhile now
  • Yep. Just like the x86 version was being developed and tested years before we saw productions Macs running on Intel. I'm sure Apple does a whole bunch of things a whole bunch of different ways that we never see.
  • I also have zero doubt that it’s either not very good or has serious compatibility issues too.
  • I could see ARM and x68 (some sort of emulation mode)
  • Not going to happen for several more years, if ever. ARM would be a big step down in performance for all but the entry level macbooks, plus you'd lose bootcamp compatibility, which has been a major driver of Mac sales since 2006.
  • Where are the new Macs? There are no more new Macs, instead Apple will announce in September at the annual iPhone event, that they are finally going to license the MacOs to third party PC manufacturers and OEMs.
  • Not in a million years. Apple only has a small handful of configurations and still there are severe bugs. What would happen with the universe of hardware?
  • Another common refrain is that Apple may one day release ARM Macs, echoing the PowerPC/Intel transition. But that was the Apple-of-old, before they were a chip maker. Here's a thought experiment: what if Apple were to make Intel-compatible chips? Macs are power user tools now, especially the Pro lines, workstations now that our phones have become our main "personal" computers. A huge amount of our professional working software depends on the Intel architecture and won't quickly and easily transition to ARM. That might undermine the long-term strength of the Mac platform considerably -- with the entire PC market contracting, would there be enough developer momentum to ever port important apps to ARM macOS? Instead, if Apple were to make Intel clone parts, either through a licensing deal with Intel or perhaps an acquisition (hi, AMD!), they would gain the desired control over their platform's implementation while avoiding the pain of transitioning the entire Mac developer base to a new CPU architecture.
  • Developers would have to make universal Mac binaries for ARM as well as X86. A simple recompilation would do the trick. But unlike iOS apps, there is a whole lot more that they would have to worry about, the biggest factor being performance. A mere recompilation wouldn't be sufficient for providing the same performance. A lot of Mac devs rely on deeper, lower level OS X frameworks for carrying out all sorts of math operations. This is where significant changes would arise too. And tuning up those low level frameworks for a new chip means throwing a bunch of stuff out the window, modifying other things, keeping a few things as is. This all means reimplementing core functionalities in your application to take advantage of those changes in the underlying frameworks. If you small 4-5 or even 10 -15 person Mac software shop, you would delve into all this right in. But if you are Adobe or Microsoft or some others, reworking the app would not be a top priority. But who knows. Maybe Apple will have these people on stage the day they introduce ARM based Macs so they could show that all their Pro line apps are already ready for the new products. I dont think that they will do Rosetta like emulation stuff this time around.
  • I have no problem with a delayed upgrade/update. I can do 90% of the work I need to on an iPad Air 2 (which I may replace with a 12" iPad Pro in the upcoming months). For all other work, I rely on a MacBook Air, which still does the work I need it too. My real concern is that Apple is neglecting the entry level market that helps create life-long customers. I would love to be able to buy some sort of education version of the MacBook or iPad Air. For example, my daughter wanted a laptop that can run Robot C (a Windows-Only programming language used by her school). If I wanted to get her something affordable, I would have to go the Windows PC route and find something in the $300-$400 range. It would be nice to get her a macOS (even polycarbonate body) computer with 8gb RAM, 128GB storage and a 12" screen for $500-$600. It is the operating system and software that I apprecieate most about Apple products, but Apple seems to want to ignore this sector of the market. The same goes for iPads. You can't sell the virtues of an iPad over a Chromebook to most cash strapped public school systems. But again, I think that Apple softaware (their's and that developed by independent developers) is much better than much of what you find on Windows.
  • So long as you don't need MS office cause functionality wise Windows version of Office is WAY superior to that made available to MAC. Other than that, I pretty much agree with you related to quality of software. As for your point regarding low cost hardware: Seems it's just not their business plan so I don't see-it happening anytime soon.
  • You mean in the Windows version of Office there are even more functions and options you don't know how to use properly in the first place? For text processing near 100% can be done on Pages or LibreOffice without any difficulties. For typesetting I think the results from Pages is generally much better than what I get from Word or LibreOffice. And if you want to do REAL typesetting, Word isn't going to cut it. It never transcends the I-wrote-this-in-Word-and-it-shows and falls flat on its face as soon as you compare the output against what can be easily attained with TeX.
    I have never understood why people would be willing to waste so much money on effectively useless software like Microsoft Office.
  • You are correct that most functions are not used\understood by most of us. That's not what i'm talking about. I'm talking about integration. For example; My work workflow requires that I share documents using OneNote on Sharepoint or on local shared drive. I can, with the click of a button send a onenote and assign-it to someone, make-it a task for myself or someone else, I can take an email from Outlook and send-it directly to OneNote without using the cloud (internal confidential stuff here, no cloud if it's not internal), etc, etc. I can't do any of that stuff with the MAC version of the suite. Heck, I can't even open a local one note file on MAC. MS in its infinite wisdom has decided that I MUST use the cloud. So sure, Individually, I can mostly do everything that each product from the windows version can do (Sometimes less, sometimes more). But as soon as I want to tightly integrate-it with my workflow AND remain compatible with the rest of the industry, forget-it. And so, i'm forced to run Windows version in parallels with hardly no integration with my Mac. As for the reason why people are willing to waste so much money on MS office, it's simple. With a few exception (Google, Apple) it's hardly possible to work in a fortune 5000 and NEVER use office if you produce document as a significant part of your job and I suspect most MAC user know this. I'm an IT professional and was a consultant for almost 20 years. I've delt pretty exclusively with large enterprise (Fortune 5000+). I can't recall how often I've seen large enterprise try to cut the cord from Windows and Office for something else (OpenOffice, Linux, Mac, OS\2, Solaris, etc). In the end, they always crawl back. The market is just too strongly entrenched, there's always SOME exception, it's like a cockroach, you just can't get rid of it. I'm not saying I like it but it is what it is...
  • I'd wager that part of the reason these attempts to move off end up failing is that workflows and solutions are developed in a Windows-centric fashion. I've seen it happen too. "Well, we had to get rid of our Macs because they don't support this in-house app or that middleware solution." When asked, "if you made this app in-house, why didn't you make a Mac version? And why didn't you support a cross-platform middleware solution?" Crickets. It's easy to say many platforms doesn't support a specific tool, but it's a lot harder to say that it doesn't support the task you are doing with that tool. And it's Mac, not MAC. ;-)
  • u must be a tech..... Only techie's would mean their "always accurate"
  • Thing is. My company use M$ products and I have the Mac version. Sometimes they just don’t open properly at home. The formatting is off, the macros are wonky or something.
    Is there a config issue I doubt it, but even if there is why can it not just work out of the box?
  • One word answers your "why" question: Compatibility.
  • I still think something is afoot. I see a definite uptick in discounted sales of a lot of hardware across the laptop branch...
  • I'm tempted to but the m7 version of the macbook as my Vaio is on the way out. The question I have is do I get the macbook now or try and get through to Sep/Oct on the hope of a new pro coming out?????? As a side, anyone tried running windows on the macbook through boot camp?
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    (couldn't resist ;p)
  • Fine and good. But those of us how count on Macs to make our living want meaningful, productive updates. I would rather see Apple focus on CPU and GPU updates as soon as they are available, then focus on fancy hardware designs and OS features that barely work, and add very little value to my workflow. Give me the old Mac Pro or a Mac Mini with the old designs, but with the fastest CPUs and GPUs available. Give me an iMac with a decent (not necessarily retina) screen that doesn't take 120 seconds to fully boot. Apple keeps designing away its own competitive advantages. Time to refocus, if you ask me.
  • I agree so much with this. And if iOS is their focus, then they don't need to take years to remodel the Macs every time just so they can introduce them with big fanfare. Just make a solid dependable box that will handle updates for years to come, and give them updates as necessary. We don't need fanfare, we just need fast, dependable Macs. Heck, all I want is a Mac mini with the innards of the high-end 5K iMac.
  • so a Apple focus more on "gaming" world.. That would be a change. I guess if Apple gave us top notch hardware in a portable device, there there would be little reason to buy a 5KiMac, apart from the screen, which u could also argue u can just connect a 4K non Apple display to a "4K Mac mini" So much for the iMac ....
  • my feeling is September... Not sure about the Mac Pro, I wouldn't except an update. of any kind.. If Apple was serious they would be updating this professional cylinder more regularly. I don't think Apple is holding out for anything new just to update the Mac Pro either. I could be wrong, but based on the scale the Mac Pro has not been updated *history*, i fail to see it happen. As for the rest,,,, u bet ... Hoping for a Mac Mini update as well with SSD as default. And for some reason, everyone wants 4K by Apple on tvOS
  • I think the next MacBook Pro will likely be my last. Not for any other reason except the realisation that Apple's priority list looks like this:
    - iPhone
    - iPhone
    - iPhone
    - iPhone
    - iPhone
    - iPhone
    - iPhone
    - iPhone
    - iPhone
    - iPad
    - iPhone
    - New building
    - iPhone
    - iWatch
    - iPhone
    - Watch bands
    - Head phones
    - iCar
    - iPhone
    - Music
    - Software
    - Macbook
    - Watch bands
    - iPhone
    - iMac
    - Education
    - Accessibility
    - Watch bands
    - Apple TV
    - MacMini
    - MacBook Pro
    - Watch bands
    - International tax minimisation
    - Redesigning the Apple store layout
    - MacPro It will be well over 4 years between when I bought my current MacBook Pro and when the next one gets released. I normally turn notebooks over every 2.5 years (just before warranty runs out) as this is used for work. I can't afford to have problems. I'll take every bit of processing power and storage. With this machine I've been forced to get it repaired out of warranty as the current MacBook Pro is essentially the same as the one that I have - a smidgen faster processor, better graphics, but memory is still 16GB and storage is still stuck at 1TB compared to the 750GB of my current computer. It's not that hard to drop larger storage in, or faster GPU's. Last year they could have broken the 16GB memory limit - but instead we got a new touch pad that did just what the last one did. Given that the Mac is becoming even less relevant to Apple, and Pro users even less so, given it's over 4 years this time around, next time around it will probably by 5 or more years before Apple casts a glance at the Mac line again. Will I be waiting? I suspect not. I recently had a Mac Mini that was used as a PVR / media server that was dying over the period of 12 months. The easiest decision would have been to buy a Mac Mini to replace it - but the Mac Mini's currently available are slower than other Mac Mini's I already own - I want to move ahead in performance - not backwards. Your business model can't be to treat your historic customers with contempt.
  • +1 Well said.
  • You forgot emojis. That should be somewhere in the top 10, I think. :)
  • And don't forget politically correct social causes too..
  • For sure.... gotta do those. Especially considering...
    http://babylonbee.com/news/king-saudi-arabia-really-getting-kick-apple-l...
  • while that priority list is pretty awesome, i'm wondering who you're going to turn to for the innovation you desire if not Apple? the "laptop" is so far along in it's product maturity cycle that innovation is expected to be slower than mobile (tablets/phones). spec bumps are even starting to become normal for mobile at this point...
  • This is the best time to try non-apple device! The mentioned surface Book has all its launch issues solved (and no, it never got "incredibly hot", although some initial models did get warm when they failed to sleep), and is one of the best portable devices in the market. Nothing else comes even close in terms of battery life, screen quality, features, and in some ways even performance.
  • Battery life ? LOL
  • You know many devices that last 10 hours of heavy use, and up to 15 hours of moderate use? And at the same time have a beautiful, high-contrast, very bright screen with resolution of 3000x2000?
  • Well.. Apple is king of battery I guess in term usage.. how many other non-Apple laptops do u know that time-slices the battery usage based on what the user is currently doing at the time?
  • I don't know what you mean by "time slice". I just know that it I work in Microsoft Word and do light browsing in a dark coffee shop (so brightness is at ~40%), my surface Book battery goes to about 50% after 6h work.
  • Apple has been doing this for a while now. My 13" MacBook Pro gets 10 hours of heavy use, about 12 hours of internet surfing and watching movies. Apple has had that mark for a couple of years now with the 13" MacBook Pro. This isn't a matter of Microsoft having one of the only devices that can last 10 hours. It's a case of Microsoft catching up to what Apple has done for years.
  • +1
  • Only "problem" with that route is you have to use Windows.
  • True, this is only for OS/ecosystem agnostic people. But most people are, even if they don't know it.
  • Not a valid problem at all. I have friends that, (much as I cannot fathom it), don’t like OSX.
  • Let's just agree that it's a problem for some, but not others. A lot of users chose Macs because of OS X. And a lot didn't.
  • That’s true and yet the vast majority of people for whatever reason choose Windows at home and work.
  • i've used windows for decades. it's fine. i even added it to may mac book because it's still useful. I prefer the way it handles files actually.
  • Just another reason not to switch to Mac. That said, I don't think Apple cares about the past so much as iOS is the future, not macOS.
  • It's not so much that it's the future, although an argument can be made for that, it's that iPhone / iPad are where the money are. Posted via the iMore App for Android
  • Well, the iPhone is where the money is. iPad year-over-year growth (and tablets in general actually) have been declining for 8 straight quarters. And who knows when (or if) it'll come back to growth. And I say this as an iPad Pro user.
  • Yes, and I think the 'new' Apple is a bit too short-sighted to recognize the value of the full eco-system. The 'old' Apple knew this well, and even put a lot of effort in products that weren't so profitable, but would pay off long-term or were crucial in the big picture. (The 'new' Apple reminds me more, each day, of the Apple of the mid-90s.... just more cash going into to it, but even more short-sighted.)
  • I really want to see Apple spend more time on the OSs. With the exception of security updates and big bug fixes, how about no new macOS *ever* year. Maybe get more bugs fixed, more user friendly features returned to the OS, and *maybe* then get two years of a consistent UI instead of "hey, where'd that feature go??". Ok, Macs with USB3.1 and a 30" Retina Monitor.
  • After running a hackintosh for 4 years to get round the lack of a decent MacPro with great GPUs, I returned briefly to the Apple fold for a "real" MacPro which has proved slower than the hack!
    I setup my first Linux Mint machine a few weeks ago and it kicks the MacPro's backside (iMore your censor software is prudish) too.
    If Apple does not do something very soon with pro hardware, this Apple user of 30+ years is gone... .
  • Have you tried Elementary?
  • I hear you... the question is, where to go? While Apple seems to be letting the Mac line die on the vine, it's still better (for now) than the alternatives. But, I'm afraid that day is coming, so it's good to be prepared and start looking/experimenting, I guess.
  • Interesting, as I have been considering the same route. Could you send me a list, if possible, of what you used and how you put it together? I have heard of some users who have had compatibility issues.
  • As a dad looking to outfit my college-bound daughter with a new Mac laptop that will serve her well for the next 4 years, I'm really disappointed that Apple missed the "back to school" season with a new MacBook Pro. I don't have the luxury of waiting til 4Q.
  • Your college student doesn't need a MacBook Pro unless they plan on majoring in the arts in some way that will utilize that hardware.
  • You're probably right but it will most certainly make dad's life a LOT easier then with Windows. I'm an IT pro and i've given my 3 kids both PC's and MAC's. I can tell you, my life is a lot simpler now that everyone is on a MAC and\or iOS.
  • I think they meant something like a MacBook Air as opposed to the Pro... not Windows! :)
  • Unfortunately, I think the Air is getting longer in the tooth than the Pro, and may just be discontinued. However, our oldest daughter has had an Air since starting college 3 years ago and it's been good for her.
  • Yes, if you're looking for bang for the buck and don't have too high or CPU/GPU requirements (i.e.: most users outside 3D, CAD, maybe graphic artist, gamers), and don't need a high-end display, the Air is hard to beat. That's what I use when mobile. I'd love a MB, but it's just a bit too underpowered right now, but *really* close. And, since I have a desktop (and do some of the above stuff), a MBP is kind of expensive and big/heavy to justify. Or, if one can do it all with one computer... I guess the MBP is a good choice (price/performance). I still do some 24x7 maxed out CPU stuff though, so I'm still in the desktop/laptop combo situation. (Also, note for some applications, eGPUs are becoming feasible to supplement GPU-anemic machines that would otherwise be OK. http://barefeats.com/bizon_box.html )
  • From a durability and longevity standpoint I prefer Macs. Plus, I think the MacBook Pro is the best value among Apple laptops, even at the higher price. It has the best blend of power, portability, and long-term usability, plus the Retina display. And a 2.6 GHz processor and 8GB make should give it plenty of horsepower for 3-5 years. YMMV, of course.
  • I'm looking to get a laptop this fall, and I'm hoping it'll be a MacBook of some kind. So I hope they update soon. I have Windows 10 on my desktop, because I'm a gamer, and while gaming on the go could be appealing, I really just want to write on it, and watch TV shows/movies from a portable hard drive. So I'll also want something with HDMI out so when we go on vacation, we can hook it up to the TV wherever we go. I see a lot of longtime Apple users disgruntled, but the grass isn't any greener on the Windows side. Windows 10 is okay, and I like building PCs, but drivers mismatch and everyone points fingers at everyone else and it's just a sloppy mess. So with Apple, you know what you're getting, all from one company which has been pretty consistent. I guess this doesn't rule out a Surface Book, since I believe Microsoft is making the hardware (?) but in my experience, Apple laptops tend to last longer. Not sure how true that is. I last had a laptop in 2002 (!) and it did hold up a few years. It wasn't too bad. But it was expensive. HP. Don't remember much about it, but it came with XP and 256MB RAM, and I upgraded it to 512MB. And I do know with Macs you can't upgrade them at all. So what you buy is what you're stuck with for the life of the product. And I'm okay with that if I get something good that will last.
  • On the flip side of that, my Mac Pro 1,1 has lasted a lot longer than it should because I can put in new drives, RAM etc.
    Apple laptops last longer? Not sure if you can upgrade and still remain relevant with a Windows box.
  • You can. I've swapped everything you can possibly imagine on a motherboard (and even 2 motherboards as I decided to upgrade my CPU). I haven't purchased a new "computer" in over 15 years, but everything inside the chassis gets upgraded every year or two depending on my needs. I have rarely ever had to hunt for a driver that Windows couldn't find on its own. In all honestly: If you purchase a windows machine that is the hardware (and generally price) equivalent of a mac it will operate as well as a Mac. The innards are largely the same. It's not magic. It's quality control. All technology gets long in the tooth and goes sluggish after a few years of software updates. That's just the nature of technology.
  • Sorry, typo. I meant you can’t upgrade and/or remain relevant with a Mac for longer than Tim says you can.
  • I recently bought a macbook air. I'm very happy with it so far. The pro was too pricey with the specs i need and the macbook was just a nonstarter. I like very little about it. I disliked, amazingly the thinness (i'll snap that thing on accident), the keyboard, the small number of ports, that the ports are usb-c and thus i'd need an adapter to attach all my usb drives and my printers and old gear that's still working. Regardless, i got a good price and i'm happy. I will say i see constant media rumors that they will drop the Macbook Air. But giving it the old coffeeshop test, I go to a coffee shop everyday, and i've honestly yet to see a person with a newer model macbook in roughly 3 months. And i look around every time. All i ever see is mac book pros and macbook airs and tablets, well and pcs. Regardless it seems to me a bit crazy to discontinue the only thing i see people buy. But maybe the people buying it are numerous and i'm just not seeing it.
  • I think the MBA branding will die but its spirit will live on through the next-gen MBP. Think of the next generation of MBP as light / thin as a MBA but more powerful and higher-end features.
  • I think the new MacBook, as attractive as it might be, is in reality, a bit too anemic for a lot of Mac users. It's kind of on the edge, so I'm guessing that problem will go away in the next year or two, and then there will be no need for the Air. But, no doubt... the Air has been popular for a LONG time, and still is if price/performance enter the decision.
  • They will probably have a back to school special to clear out the old inventory and drop the new stuff in Fall so people won't feel totally cheated that the machines they bought just got updated.
  • Probably. I couldn't wait much longer and got my son a 13" air with the back to school special. There was one thing that lessened the pain in my heart. What college bound kid doesn't want wireless Beats to go with a new Mac?
  • Was hoping the new MBP's would drop before the back to school promo expires. Doesn't seem imply at this point. Sent from the iMore App
  • Promos are usually to clear out old inventory, so unfortunately, I doubt that'll happen.
  • I just wish they would bring the 17 inch MacBook Pro. I'm stuck with my old 2011 model and it's getting long in the tooth :-(. Unfortunately it's unlikely to happen. \sad.
  • I don't understand why Apple don't improve their Macs by much between major designs. At the very least they should release processor spec bumps more often. As Rene says, it’s been literally years for most of the desktop range, which is inexcusable for a company like Apple. The only exception seems to be the iMac, which has had regular substantial upgrades to the display and the internals. It has maintained its superiority over the rest of the market whilst the rest of the Mac range leapfrogs everyone occasionally and then slides down into mediocrity or worse. I am sure that they will announce new MacBook Pros in the next couple of months, and they will undoubtedly be lovely, but they still won’t make up for how Apple have let the rest of the Mac range stagnate. And they will probably only get minor spec bumps until the next major redesign.
  • Or, maybe Apple's phasing Macs out... you know, they aren't the big pie-slice anymore on those graphs they show at the meetings. And, we all know what happens to small pie segments at Apple these days. Besides, Macs are no longer fashion items or as big with the emoji crowd. We Mac people just aren't the market focus of the 'new' Apple.
  • Your right abut that... seems all the focus on emojs are on iOS
  • That there's a focus on emojis at all is a bit scary to me, but maybe I'm just getting old. :)
  • There's just a few tiny problems with your theory. First, Apple still makes billions of dollars every year on Mac sales, and those sales continue to grow almost every year. The fact that it makes 50 times as much on iphone sales is no reason for them to cut off a source of profit. Second, all the software for iphones, ipads, apple watch, apple tv, etc, is 100% written on Macs. If and when Apple starts releasing Xcode for IOS, your theory might start to hold water. Until then, not.
  • Exactly, Glaurung hit the proverbial nail on the head. I'm curious though, as an OS X/MacOS user and Apple owner since the IIe in '83/'84 ...as well, a Windows (enterprise/'for the job') "employee" the last three decades, I actually had a good laugh reading the piece.
    I'll explain Rene, as I'm a big fan of your writing and commentary. This time, I will respectfully disagree as today's 'computer' is without historical peer. Point being, as either eluded to in article or early comments, folks are using the smartphone as their 'computer'. Period
    I'm ambidextrous in my business and life by both my business workflow and personal, family choices. At home, we're mainly OS X and iOS but I have a Windows 10 laptop from HP - last year's Haswell 13", 2 in 1 W/8GB RAM & 128GB 'SSD' - touch screen and about a thousand bucks. In the studio, both OS X and Linux (rendering primarily & server hardware) machines dominate but a pair of Dell workstations exist simply for nVidia Quadro access and speed - as well, a pair of legacy programs (software) we use that we actively are working with the dev to finalize the alpha OS X versions for one of the two. The second is actually being closed in on by OS X/iOS apps/software offerings and 'hardware' options. Parity has nearly been achieved and before long, the ONLY reason for continued MS machines would be leveraging their ability to take advantage of the latest GPU options. CPU's ... regardless of historical trends, has plateaued and software development is still learning and advancing understanding and capabilities achieved by accessing, in parallel, the extra cores available to them.
    Single core performance is as important as it's always been because of current software as well as anything legacy. Plenty of developers have learned, implemented and delivered success with more cores -- again, 'rendering' as I mentioned earlier as well as transcoding and some of the effect software we use but GPU/Low level programming and new languages allowing direct access to those capabilities have 'taken the place' of 18 month/2x transistor and performance (Moore's Law) increases. OpenGL, CL, and Apple's new(ish) Metal code allows developers to leverage GPU's power, and DDR5/5x memory to offload and calculate instructions and code we've been doing on the CPU since the birth of 8086/x86 programming. Intel, while delivering excellent processors through the 'i' series updates since Sandy & Ivory Bridge, has continuously updated the graphic performance of the iGPU but only managed minimal, single % gains computationally.
    That's key to the entire industry, not just Apple. And so many exceptional improvements between 2011 & 2016, the last decade has speeded up our workflow demonstrably, ESPECIALLY when discussing 'mobile' computing on the x86/desk & laptop front from Apple. I'm perplexed by the insatiable and disingenuous 'need' of the public for 'faster' computers when the 2015 MB/MBP & iMac lineup is WAY TOO much power than 99%, maybe 99.9% of the masses 'need' (forget want).
    I own currently, & use (I've other older models working fine but not using) a 2010 & '11 iMac at home, for the kids. They do school work and 'crafting' - social and production, organization of their media & libraries as well as 'fun' (gaming is usually relegated to the consoles but Minecraft, Civ, and a couple others are played on computer) .... gaming. An important word and select, niche group of folks looking for frame rates exceeding display refresh speeds. Not the After Effects, CUDA crowd producing the next Pixar film but the TitanX/SLI population looking for 1500 watt PSUs, air brushed cases with liquid cooling and neon lights, $200 mechanical mice & 50 button macro controllable mice with a six pack of displays and 7.2 surround (2 subs;)). If games are you, buy an Xbox and PS4 & save enough for a 4K, 65" TV, extra, wireless charged controllers for each as well as a current 13" rMBP - and maintain access and playability of EVERY new, AAA release without concern for underpowered performance. Building gaming rigs is enjoyable, my son and I did a build last year. Buying a rig like the above mentioned, over built monstrosity can be very expensive, extremely frustrating and ultimately a massive disappointment with driver challenges, boutique builders and lacking support systems. OS X isn't, wasn't, & I pray won't be built as a 'gaming first' platform on hardware specific to the task
    OS X and MacBooks, MacBook Pros, and Airs have maybe not shown a lot of changes to the exterior of the package but internally, and as Rene says ... with technology available now 18 months ago ...has and continues to SMASH the competition in nearly EVERY facet of real world and critical areas other than the newest and latest CPU/GPU offerings.
    When I was growing up - RAM was always the answer to upgrade. Larger drives, sure. But CPU aside RAM & discrete GPU dominated the way to exploit the real speed of your rig.
    Today we know better and Apple, IMHO, has mastered the art of upgrades to parts we didn't know how much impact we'd 'see/notice' immediately.
    From personal experience, I've got a pair of 15" MacBooks and a 17". The latter, a 2011 (late) 2.5GHz, 16GB/512GB SSD (me, the 'SSD') and the last of the 'great' laptops built ...I thought @ the time. I was ignorant to the benefits of HiDPI & scaling via the OS - other than my experiences with the iPhone 4/4s & iPad ('new') 3 and their small displays, the 1920x1200 resolution of my 17" MacBook Pro was more than enough and the elimination of this model by Apple had me talking the same talk in this thread
    FF to 2012, fall of and my 17" HDD failed during a critical timeline. Instead of immediately using Apple Care to replace it, SSDs were beginning to become affordable and 'big but small' enough to fit in the MBP. (Big in storage size, small in height, I believe 9/10mm). Without the time to wait for either option, I sprung for the original 'retina' 15" MBP CTO, which happened to be in stock at Best Buy that evening with a $150 discount. The 2012 15" core i7 2.7GHz 16GB RAM & 768GB SSD seemed like a good compromise and a easy return when I got the 17" repaired.
    I am still using the '12 rMBP & other than the early display switch from LG to Sammy because of display burn - it's **** near a new machine in every performance or subjective impression of usage... With a couple notable exceptions. Power off the wall (battery), external display limitations (650m W/1GB vRAM/Intel 4000), and limited initial support for Thunderbolt '1'. At or around Christmas, 2015 while last minute, 12/22 or 12/23 Christmas shopping, @ Best Buy again, they were selling all 13" MBPs @ $150-$200 off, $300 off the 15" W/discrete GPUs (250 off the IrisPro base models). I spoke with the fella and he explained that the Premier Plus members also received a $100 BB card and with a bootable Apple computer, another $200 off could be had at purchase
    Being a Prem+ member & owner of a bootable 2006 white MacBook...I asked him if that would qualify as a trade in ... his response, "absolutely!" - I asked which models were available, he had both the 2.6GHz W/512GB & a single CTO 2.8GHz W/1 TB SSD. The latter, @ Christmas was $3,199 on Apple.com with, I believe a $100 off for the holidays. I had him hold the machine for an hour, ran home, grabbed the '06 MB & returned to buy the new machine as my '12 15" was out of warranty and three & a half years old. $2,899 w/standard sale, $2,799 for the P+ members, I paid $2,599 with the '06 as a trade in. It came with a 45 day (Premier Plus bonus) return period and I, like this article discusses, was adamant that I would return it in a month when the new MBPs were announced or rumor began to feel right
    That's been eight months now and I've used both the 15" models daily, since ...as my wife and I run a business. The improvements made since the 2012 are in places I'd have not thought about needing improvements.
    A) 'speed'. Not only attained by pushing clock speeds up on a CPU, but using the PCIe bus instead of the SATA for 'SSD' increasing my Read/Write speeds have increased from 450Mb/s & 430Mb/s to 2,190Mb/s & 1,780Mb/s respectively. The difference loading and installing software, transferring footage and general subjective increases in user and access speeds are phenomenal. 380MB MS Office update, fuggedaboudit, done without a need for a progress bar indicator!
    (*I should also mention we enjoy gigabit internet service via our ISP ...in Alaska!*)
    B) Thunderbolt 2 and extensive, and wide varying support via third party docking and external expansion options by single wire. I do a lot of audio, motion and effect processing from a variety of sources, cameras and 'clientelle'. I'm using TB2 for both display and storage expansion as well as external DACs for audio (digital to analog converters). One wire, 1 small breakout box and a dozen I/O options from the box - from SATA & gigabit Ethernet ports to USB 3, FW 4 & 800, 1/8" audio I/O and quarter inch Dan jack! If I need a VGA or DVI-D equipped display, no problem, I've the option. Even if that's overkill for your workflow and you only require a single or dual display set up or wired internet, single dongles are available. The pairing up of TB2 to mini display allows the ability to drive 4K @ 60+ fps as well as 5K displays. TB1 on my 17" 2011 & 2012 models is more limited and requires some workaround to accomplish some of the above options but with double the bandwidth @20Gb/s bi directionally and third party hardware support has exponentially gotten better over the last couple years - allowing the latest MBPs astounding capabilities in a four and a half pound package and with that
    C) unparalleled, 110v freedom. Battery life on my '15 15" is nearly quadruple the performance of the 2012 15" .... even comparing it's performance when new. (A/C replaced the logic board and battery due to the anomalies the 650m was displaying ...& while phantom in nature, mine seemed a worthy candidate before the exhaustion of my AC benefits;;), Apple happily, without question obliged and I had essentially a new 2012 in late 2015). I routinely get 8 hours 'up time' with 6-7 of usage and 'real work' (not just browsing, email and iMessage) using creative cloud (Adobe) apps, as well as keeping the phone charged and accessing home base via VM and VPN. Last, not least
    D) the graphic system and RAM management of the newest IrisPro and AMD systems Apple has implemented in the MBP. The Intel 4000, regardless of what you read or assume was very capable as an iGPU, running my 2012 @ the same resolution I run/ran on my '11 17" @ 1920x1200 scaling the display from 3840x2400 doing routine tasks, surfing, email and most software not dealing with photo, video or design work. The 650m was/is a very capable and excellent 'switch' when necessary and without any issues or concerns allowing the OS to control the switching. GFXCardStatus has always accompanied the machine in case I wanted the power of the 650m but rarely had to use it as the OS usually makes the correct decision. That said and novel written, I also owned a 2014, 15" rMBP W/750m that my wife now uses as her primary computer. No issues, no complaints and zero trips to the Genius bar. Again, and with double vRAM - and upgraded iGPU, the '14 was definitely a step up from the 2012 in the storage subsystem as well. I'm honestly wondering what you are doing that you can't currently do or workflow that'll be lessened by a measurable degree with a refresh of the rMBPs and Skylake processing?
    I'm aware of the better graphics and integration in S/Lk's package but computationally the improvements are once again in the 3-12% range with some benches actually regressing from Broad/Haswell architectures. There's no peer to the MBP when storage and drive access mattress. TB2 isn't widely or even narrowly adapted yet on the Windows side of mobile (laptop) computing, No PC manufacturer has figured out the track pad, amazing vertical and horizontal integration and aggregation between phone, tab, lap and desktop known as the continuity between iOS and OS X, regardless of workaround, as an Android and Windows user - this is the one factor Android will continue to be a hobby of mine and Windows, a necessary but minor evil in my business and 'life'. The former, Android is without a 'matching' home base, heavy lifting counterpart to easily finalize the project you're working on and has yet to figure out what the tablet should be -- nor does it have the luxury of being first @ bat w/develpmont teams ....as iOS has proven significantly more profitable and successful a place to start or 'stay' if you're a software developer. iOS flagship compared with the Android flagship outperforms consistently and with each release since 2007/08. I've used and played apps and games from each and in parity and never have I used a play store app that could outperform it's iOS counterpart. Not once and I'm currently using an S7 as well as 6S+. While camera quality is beginning to 'compare' to iOS from Android OEMs, and OLED displays continue impressing with extremely HiDPI abilities, apps don't run as fluently, patches, updates and point releases are shotgun, wait and see if they happen approach without any support post purchase other than carrier - even resale value for older product leans heavily in favor of iOS - while Windows can't figure out either tablets or phones, I think we're in a serious transition phase computing. Those who need a real, home/business, laptop or desktop, vs. Those doing the bulk of their 'computing' (browsing, email & social messaging, time , management and clocks/timing, alarms and calendars, Rolodex, media manager, ya know.... Same things we've 'all' been doing on the traditional computer ...then there's us. The folks who developed the apps they enjoy, the media they consume or the site management of their favorite websites. I/We need power, speed, and efficient reliable and support for a computer that doesn't fit in a pocket.
    ...I bought the two iPad Pros, one of each size and both w/256GB of storage and with the intention of returning the one I wasn't as happy with. That's been almost six months and I kept both. Ordered two more and replaced two field MacBooks with 12.9" iPad Pros with a day of battery life, always connected, always on and immediately accessible variety of 'productivity' apps and software have made them viable replacements of the MacBook Pros we were using and half the cost of replacement if damaged (*significantly more resilient though). I'm not sure why I wrote this diatribe but listening... Reading all of your responses and how innovation has taken a back seat to iOS soft and 'hardware' on OS X/MacOS is ridiculous. In five years we've seen the quadrupling of display resolution by an operating system knowing how to scale content nearly since genesis. Spinning hard drives @ 5,400rpm to PCIe solid state near 2Gb/s read and write speeds, unbelievable performance increases in the iGPU from Intel (& w/Apple's cooperation and support), significantly increasing efficiency and battery longevity as well as ultra high speed in and output connections and peripheral expansion options. Dropping 30-50% in weight and mass and allowing the same real estate, I forgot missing the 17" model almost immediately after the purchase of the 2012 15" rMBP. I have more power in my computer bag I carry daily than the 2009 & 2010 octa and hex core processing of my Mac Pros.
    And I can leave the charger @ home without concern, adding the iPad Pro for six pounds of super computer capabilities just a decade ago. Science fiction two decades ago...yet somehow the MBP isn't cutting it with software built to run acceptably on CoreDuo and C2D machines. Lol, and my apologies if you're modeling climate change, forecast patterns or creating a new 5,000 room resort in Vegas on CAD - none of which will be much an improvement over the last model when released.
    And not because of Apple. Intel & AMD are now, finally releasing their new chips that'll allow Apple the opportunity to increase performance and possibly efficiency. Regardless, I'm not sure I could spend $2,500 right now, a year and a half post release, and match the performance, efficiency, speed and reliability afforded by my current albeit CTO model of the MacBook Pro. And I ask a lot of mine daily.
    WTH are you doing today that the current model won't do without a sweat? (After Effects aside as it eats RAM for breakfast, lunch dinner & the fourth meal - 32GB DDR4 Would be nice but not necessary as these projects can be better handled by the office, studio or home desktop computer;)) Tl, Dr - I have a 2015 15" MacBook Pro & it's a powerhouse available many places for a good discount that won't be bested significantly by new models, regardless of release date ;)
    AJ
  • You're right about why the lack of new hardware isn't as huge a deal as it used to be (outside of a few market segments), but there have been plenty of changes Apple could have implemented, especially on products like the Mac Pro. And, where we're really seeing Apple's problems is on the software side of things, not the hardware. I guess the question is if this is due to growing pains, losing key people, or that the Mac just isn't a priority for Apple any longer. I'm sure it's some of all of these, but I think Cook's comments after the iPad Pro release might have been telling as to Apple's future direction.
  • That's kind of why I used the term, 'phasing out'. And yes, there's certainly no good reason for it, aside from... big company = stupid. All I'm saying, is that as someone who's been a Mac evangelist for nearly 30 years, the Apple of today isn't what it used to be, (and not in a good way). I and many like me are starting to consider what we'll use next after Macs aren't around, or are no longer viable.
  • Interesting Article, as always! John Malloy
  • Maybe Apple are delaying the new products so that they can be announced at the same time as the next iPhone, in the hope that people won't notice how underwhelming the iPhone is. And Apple fans who look at the iPhone and say "Meh" might be tempted to spend the money instead on a new Apple Watch or a redesigned MacBook Pro.
  • Let's play the "What If" game... "What if" Apple made the new MacBook Pro as a hybrid device that was capable of iOS & X86 functionality. And, "What If" it followed the simplistic mindset of the original iPhone concept of simple is better. Add to, "What If", when working in X86 touch is off by default, and when in iOS it was optional. And all of it happened seamlessly so the user did not have to worry about what programs or apps they were using. If anyone could do it, it would be Apple... It would be the go to device!
  • ok "What if" Apple were using all their money to increase shop fronts and fancy glass type buildings ? Seems more and more of these are popping up..... at a faster pace than ever.... while less and less hardware announcements with Macbook Pro's Would Apple rather focus on design of more stores fronts than the Mac ? and at the same time shifting focus to iOS only/tvOS only ?
  • I seem to recall a developer posted that macOS had support for the "rumored" OLED function keys. If that is true it would seem that until macOS is released there will be no new MBPs. Last I heard macOS is to be released in the Fall, whatever that means. What is the manufacturing lead time to build MBPs for introduction 2-3 months perhaps? Do the MBPs really need a event to be released?
  • Perhaps the delay is for Touch Screens. The major thing OS X nee macOS is missing vs Windows 10 devices. Apple, the folks the invented the finger (wait maybe they didn't) and you still can't interact with macOS with your finger on a screen. That said, it's not a hard ware problem, Apple is not a newcomer to touch devices, it's a OS issue. To make macOS a touchable OS they need to do quite a bit of work I would expect. Anyway, that's my prediction, macOS devices with touch screens.
  • Because desktop software isn't designed for large, inaccurate pointing devices, i.e. fingers. it's designed for precision pointers. When you tap on a screen your finger presses an area about 40px across give or take. A mouse pointer is 1px. Clicking in between letters to edit text, in cells on spreadsheets, etc... are all precision oriented things. Good iOS apps assume large pointing devices (fingers) and so are designed around that. Good desktop apps assume the opposite.
  • That's a total rationalization. Not every thing needs to be done with the same input device. Just like you have a mouse and keyboard and you use the accordingly, you can have mouse, keyboard, finger and use them accordingly. The finger can be used for less precise gestures like scrolling, app switching, swiping in/away notifications, etc. Also, the UI can adjust.
  • Why would you stretch to touch the screen when you can use the trackpad? When I used Windows it was necessary because Windows trackpad support sucks. With a MacBook you don't have that issue. Sent from the iMore App
  • I take it you've never used a laptop with a touch screen. I love when people say "why would you ever..." because they think everyone in the world is exactly the same as they are.
  • Also, a Touch Screen macOS device opens up more use cases for Apple Pencil (the stylus that Job's said you would never need with a phone/tablet).
  • Technically I think Steve was referring to using a stylus to navigate the UI. It's somewhat required to do proper drawing
  • The UI can't really adjust, some applications have many many small buttons, think of 3D modelling software for example. The only way the UI could "adjust" would be to hide things in slide out menus, I just don't think it would be an intuitive experience
  • so lets not use our finger, lets use the Apple pencil for precision.... isn't that what its designed for.. ?
    Apple calls it "creativity" Personally, i recon its just a 'nitch" Apple hasn't found out yet...:) A pencil is far more accurate than a finger... especially fat fingers ... Not saying the pencil shouldn't stay at drawing, what its bought out for, just saying there is a whole new world u can do *with* precision if Apple only allowed it.. and they stop thinking a finger is MORE precise, because it isn't It used to be, but that was before a pencil came out, but a finger isn't precision. anymore......
  • That's the single reason why I Jailgated one of my iPad. Lack of mouse support. You just can't work productively (or at least *I* can't) using your finder when you edit proof document. Nothing beats the mouse for things like that. Why not just give me my darn bluetooth stack driver so I can use the mouse if I want. Jailbreak can do it so obviously Apple can also... Grrr...
  • Any device Apple makes that will be based on a Touch UI paradigm, will be based off of iOS, not macOS. Of that, I am confident.
  • Apple Needs to ditch ATI and start using NVidia GPUs again. The performance guild between the two us just embarrassing now. That said, Apple could boost the pro app performance of existing machines considerably by fixing their god awful OpenGL driver and supporting Vulkan.
  • I love Apple, but their obsessions with secrecy and thinness can be annoying. We need guidance on the Thunderbolt monitor. Will there be another one or not? Why leave us hanging? Even a "stay tuned" would've given us a heads up they weren't forgetting us. Pro users who purchased the Mac Pro have been left in the dust. It was so buggy, and hasn't been updated in 3 years. I hope Apple gets back on track.
  • Maybe the existing devices are as good as we can get so far? The only poor performer was the 12" MacBook really but I think new processors are on the way.
  • May improvement are more than due. Touch screen, DDR4, more memory capacity in the pro version (I mean, 16 Gb, what the heck is that, GIVE ME MORE RAM. I got 32 in my iMAC and it's still barely enough), etc, etc. There are many noticeable improvement that could be done. Especially if you make more than 1 or 2 just to leech more cash out of your customer. Apple use to be about make the BEST. You paid for it but you got something exceptional. Now, I feel like they are barely trying.
  • Im due for both phone and computer upgrade, and I've no idea what I'd like now.
    I caught myself looking at Samsung Phones and Chromebooks the other day.
  • Chromebooks... Brrrr... What a waste IMO. Can't do crap if it's not an online application. For the price of those upper end chromebook you can get a full Windows 10 laptop. I just don't see the appeal given it's limitation. Maybe in school or cases where you want to control what user can do on their station... Not for me that's for sure.
  • I don't know anyone who owns a Chromebook, they seem completely pointless to me
  • Amen
  • Looking back to all the decisions Apple took from 2011, it's clear that they focus on profit, and on "end-personal-gaming-fashion-customers". - The MacBook Pro is not available in 17" inch, which was definitely the worst decision for nomade pro users (who is not nomade nowadays ?). Working on a 15" inch "Pro" computer is not acceptable for pro users, not confortable, and moving a 21.5" iMac is.. let's say... not so easy (^!^),
    - The Mac Pro is now just a very expensive "Black Trashbin", dropping all the benefits of an expandable professional worstation like it was previously, which was allowing replacement/repair/upgrading,
    - The entire line now include proprietary RAM, fixed batteries, fixed proprietary Hard Drives (again, no replacement/repair/upgrade is possible),
    - Sticking with DDR3 RAM is a shame, when DDR4 is available for a loooong time now,
    - Only proposing 1TB as a maximum storage capacity, EVEN on the Mac Pro is an incredible shame !
    - Removing all the ports and REPLACING them with only 1 USB-C (instead of ADDING 1 or 2 USB-C) just cause me a terrible laugh... Thinness have lead them to remove the battery charge checker, the IR-receptor, and to revamp the keyboard with a kind of "unusable crap".. Yes : I'm Sad ! I personally Own a MacBook Pro 15" + a MacBook Pro 17" (the last produced in Late 2011), and I've put 16 GB (Kingston @ 1600Mhz) into it, and two 1TB SSD's, at an inexpensive cost (Samsung EVO 850 series is now very affordable, and efficient). If PC's had a decent, stable, and secure OS (that is to say NOT Windows), I would have moved back to PC's for a long time now ! So I clearly do not expect Apple introducing new Macbook Pro's 17 anymore, nor extending the Mac Pro hard drive capacities. This company is clearly only focused on 8 top priorites : iPhone, iPhone, iPhone, iPhone, iPhone, iPhone, iPhone, and the last but not he least : Tax optimization :-)
  • What is it you actually do with your machines? .
  • Web programming, Print design @ 300 DPI, Music producing with heavy sound banks, watching ****.
  • At this point, I've been considering moving away from the Mac and building my own custom rig. Granted, I'm not trying to go to this extreme (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIhd1MVF2lw), but I have to admit, these are some awesome builds and they've given me some ideas. I really like OS X (or macOS now), but looking at what they've done (or not done since 2013) with the Mac Pro, my hope for something better is quickly drying up at this point. I've come to realize that Apple is essentially the iPhone company now.
  • I am, sadly, starting to come to the same conclusion. I've been toying with the idea of going back to Windows 10. I don't really want-to but...
  • So far according to the leaks, this year iPhone will likely be a minor upgrade. My bet is that A10 will get even better Pref/Watt, along with better modem. More Energy Efficient iOS. Assuming if Apple could get 10% reduction in all these, and rumoured 15% increase in battery, that will give roughly ~30% increase in battery life. To me, that is already a good enough selling point for iPhone upgrade. However this isn't good enough for a iPhone design cycle upgrade. Which is where the Mac is coming to fill in the gap. Hopefully it will be a full range upgrade. And may be, just may be there will be AMD Zen CPU involved as well.
  • MacbookS air? Attorneys general. WTF is wrong with MacBook airs?
  • What's with the weird pluralising in the article? Sure, Schiller had a rant about it but language is shaped by the people who use it and no one has adhered to what he stated was right. Step away from the Apple Kool Aid and starting talking like the rest of the world does. Apple make great products but they've never had a great grasp of how words work.
  • Well, I have always used Windows laptops in the past. But over a year ago I decided to get an iPad Air 2 for my portable machine, then bought a new HP Envy Desktop and 27" monitor for all the heavy lifting. So now I'm going to sell the iPad Air2 and I just bought a Macbook Air 13" (i7, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD). I wanted at least a 13" monitor so it was that or the MB Pro 13". But the MB Pro was almost $500 more similarly configured. And the only real advantage is its Retina display. It weighs more, has worse battery life, and only has a marginal GPU upgrade (Intel 6100 vs 6000). So to me, it was ridiculous to pay that much extra. I doubt they'll have a meaningful update for the MB Air in September, so I pulled the trigger. If by some chance they roll out a retina display and upgraded processor and graphics for the MB Air line in Sept., then I'm sure I can sell the MB Air I bought and then pick up the new one without losing too much money.
  • 12 hours on MBA compared with 10 on the Retina....... Not that huge...... but if u'r one that actually needs that extra 2 hours because u'r day is jam packed, then ok.... But most users i take just say these things because they can,,,,, apart from price of that is... would be the only thing, but unless u'r day is hectic and people need tht extra 2 hours of battery ? ya ok... I'll even addmit i didn't really acre for battery life, so for my stuff, i could of saved money and gone to the Air, but at the time, I decided on a Retina just because of the display *only* the rest i didn't worry me... Such a price difference for something better.
  • Yeah, if I was using it as primary computer/laptop, I would've taken not only the MB Pro Retina, but the MB Pro 15" Retina. But for my needs it just made more sense to pick up the MB Air 13". Though I admit, I do have a bit of regret as I'm awaiting its delivery this week. Thinking maybe I should've snagged the MB Pro 13" Retina instead. I'll live with my choice until I see if they unveil anything in September. Even if they don't update the Air but update the MB Pro Retina, I will likely upgrade (unless they saddle it with only one USB-C port like the new MB). The good thing is that the resale value will be decent so I won't take too big a loss on it.
  • It is very frustrating to see the continued bastardization of the English language. Please allow me to remind the author: "it's" is a contraction that means "it is." Reread your article, and any time you see "it's," I want you to say out loud, "it is." The possessive form of 'it' is "its."
  • Well they are releasing a phone in September, they could certainly "and one more thing" and announce new Macs too!
  • I'm happy with my 2015 MacBook Pro. I have no interests to upgrade it, probably in 2020.
    A new iMac with smaller bezels (or larger screen) would be nice. Sent from the iMore App
  • There's a lot of people hoping Apple will update almost the entire product line in-the-Fall. And the lineup is getting bigger all the time. I can see logic in Christmas gift items being updated in the Fall, and maybe it's bad luck Skylake is only getting reliable that end of the year, but it does seem to be a deliberate policy to move product updates to that quarter. Maybe it's to defeat year-on-year comparisons and hide the effects of the economic downturn, but it seems to defy prudent engineering practice — in a technology company! Seems insane not to spread launches throughout the year and reduce the peaks. One could argue that these things are manufactured at so many different places, it doesn't matter on the production side, but given Apple's proclivity for moving people from project to project, rather than having a team for each project, that's got to be creating tremendous peaks inside Apple! And perhaps that's the source of the if-it-doesn't-crash-it's-good-enough dissatisfaction so effectively voiced for all of us by one Marco Arment (and even Walt, lets not forget). Apple is behaving like a company not in control of its own destiny. Blaming suppliers has some validity, but there's a lot more can be done to improve a device than a new CPU or GPU. I'm sure the whole industry is timing their component updates to Intel, but the fact nobody seems to want to face is, Intel has hit the wall, with no Core-equivalent-breakthrough saviour waiting in the wings this time. Is ARM ready? I think not and SoftBank seems to be driving it to smaller applications. Yes, there's a worldwide downturn in consumer electronics, likely the real reason for no-new-iPhone design this year — fewer people are expected to upgrade their phones this year because they're getting too expensive for the economic downturn (hence the need for/success of a cheaper iPhone). And Apple might be able to rationalise long update cycles on all products that way, but the optics of a computer company seemingly unable to do yearly updates in an industry that moves SO FAST is starting to get a whiff to it that bothers even the most loyal customers. I'm loading Elementary OS on my (one) netbook, just in case. The famous Apple ecosystem is now so interlinked and seemingly (poorly planned/designed) interdependent that stuff ups and delays hurt the whole product line and the whole company. Apple's supposedly consumer friendly approaches - iMessage, iCloud Drive, not to mention Siri, just seem so far behind the game in terms of function and reliability (Siri was smarter on-the-phone when Apple bought it, than it is in-the-cloud now, how many years later?), that it's hard not to see this as an increasingly unstable house of cards. It's almost like marketing is designing the experience without reference to prudent engineering practice. If the Apple ecosystem implodes on its over-complexity and interdependence, I'll be needing a backup. And Apple developers will be looking for a simpler platform for Apple-like customers. I just hope Apple keeps making hardware on which I can run Elementary OS. I do like their sense of design and quality of manufacture, even if their software collapses. Elementary might be moving to my MacBook sooner than I expect.