Samsung wants iOS source code, carrier contracts, to depose Jony Ive,

Samsung wants iOS source code, carrier contracts, to depose Jony Ive,

The demands and counter-demands in Apple vs. Samsung are reaching tragically comedic, or comedically tragic levels:

In Federal court today Samsung counsel Cynthia Cochrane said her client would need the source code for the iPhone 4S and agreements Apple had with major carriers Vodafone, Telstra and Optus in order to make a legal case for a ban before the court.

Unlike Google's Android OS, which is openy-source, Apple's iOS is proprietary, though you gotta love the gumption of a company accused of copy-catting Apple to the best of their ability requesting the ability to copy it better. They also want to depose Apple SVP of Design, Jony Ive, and other "iPhone inventors". What's next, Phil Schiller's inseam measurements? Tim Cook's birthday cards? Samsung's non-Apple influenced design team member?

Maybe call in the big guns?

Source: Smart Office, Edible Apple

Rene Ritchie

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Fafafoooey says:

Samsung is just desperate and pissed because Apple has 1 phone and it alone destroyed their vast lineup of crap phones. Samsung is also stupid because Apple is their biggest component customer and they want to piss Apple off for what reason? If you eat into Apple sales, you eat into your own money, dumbasses.

johncblandii says:

You realize Samsung is the #1 smartphone manufacturer in the world, right?

Michael Scott Allen says:

Not for long. You do realize that, right? The largest anything doesn't have to play these games. Samsung is about to be dethroned and they know it.

johncblandii says:

You realize they didn't start this, right? lol. They are simply responding to the blatant attacks by Apple. Whether their antics are right are arguable [same as Apple's] but their response has zero to do with Apple gaining market share on them; especially seeing as Apple dropped 6% and Samsung jumped 7%.
Oh and apologies...HTC is #1. Samsung is #2 and Apple is #3: http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/1/2529813/htc-leads-us-smartphone-shipme....
Oh and you can save the profit share response or the 14 month old iPhone. I know both of those. :) I'm sure Q4 will be different seeing as the 4s is out now and killing the sales numbers.

Johna says:

HTC is #1 in the states... it's not quite the same as the world. Where did you see the Samsung numbers?

Johna says:

HTC is #1 in the states... it's not quite the same as the world. Where did you see the Samsung numbers?

Johna says:

HTC is #1 in the states... it's not quite the same as the world. Where did you see the Samsung numbers?

lloydpearsoniv says:

Please understand the difference between shipments & sales, all because they are shipping more, doesn't mean that they are selling more. Lol

lloydpearsoniv says:

Please understand the difference between shipments & sales, all because they are shipping more, doesn't mean that they are selling more. Lol

lloydpearsoniv says:

Please understand the difference between shipments & sales, all because they are shipping more, doesn't mean that they are selling more. Lol

jaswanth.koppu says:

yeah it was Apple who started it, but why ? judge asked samsung lawyer to identify which is ipad and samsung tab .. but he couldn't do it.
They have copied the device model , charger model , packing .. what not every thing ..can you show me a tablet manufactured before original ipad lauch??

johncblandii says:

@jaswanth koppu
Tablets before the iPad looked like the iPad with buttons and in some cases handles [lmbo]. The iPad is like the equivalent to the Samsung 8000 Series TV copying a old TV w/ nobs and a fat butt.
Evolution of tech but I don't care to engage in a long, drawn out convo comparing/contrasting; especially not over one report of a lawyer not being able to tell them apart.

johncblandii says:

You realize they didn't start this, right? lol. They are simply responding to the blatant attacks by Apple. Whether their antics are right are arguable [same as Apple's] but their response has zero to do with Apple gaining market share on them; especially seeing as Apple dropped 6% and Samsung jumped 7%.
Oh and apologies...HTC is #1. Samsung is #2 and Apple is #3: http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/1/2529813/htc-leads-us-smartphone-shipme....
Oh and you can save the profit share response or the 14 month old iPhone. I know both of those. :) I'm sure Q4 will be different seeing as the 4s is out now and killing the sales numbers.

Michael Scott Allen says:

Not for long. You do realize that, right? The largest anything doesn't have to play these games. Samsung is about to be dethroned and they know it.

Not says:

They should stick to TVs... they have the opportunity to steal the limelight from Sony now that Sony is taking so much security heat from their PS lines. What Samsung needs to do is focus on that side of the market. There's plenty of money for everyone... frankly, they'd probably save more than they make in the mobile market if they'd just drop this BS lawsuit that they won't win anyway. We already know that Apple "builds" new factories to build their new technologoies and designes and they lock down those technologies for a couple of years after production starts so that other manufactureres cannot make the same tech or buy it from those makers. By the time those designs and technologies come to market from those other manufacturers, of course it's all going to look the same.... because they're using Apple invisioned tech. If any judge or jury out there cannot see this and see that it's blatant copying, then they're dumbasses themselves.

Not says:

They should stick to TVs... they have the opportunity to steal the limelight from Sony now that Sony is taking so much security heat from their PS lines. What Samsung needs to do is focus on that side of the market. There's plenty of money for everyone... frankly, they'd probably save more than they make in the mobile market if they'd just drop this BS lawsuit that they won't win anyway. We already know that Apple "builds" new factories to build their new technologoies and designes and they lock down those technologies for a couple of years after production starts so that other manufactureres cannot make the same tech or buy it from those makers. By the time those designs and technologies come to market from those other manufacturers, of course it's all going to look the same.... because they're using Apple invisioned tech. If any judge or jury out there cannot see this and see that it's blatant copying, then they're dumbasses themselves.

johncblandii says:

I realllly like their TVs. :-) lol.
They'd lose more money if they drop their suit because Apple would probably win causing damages, etc.
They all copy. They are simply fighting to uncover the biggest copy cat. All of them are foolish at this point.

johncblandii says:

I realllly like their TVs. :-) lol.
They'd lose more money if they drop their suit because Apple would probably win causing damages, etc.
They all copy. They are simply fighting to uncover the biggest copy cat. All of them are foolish at this point.

Steve Jobs liked it up the ass says:

Why should they abandon a market they're dominating? Damn you Apple people think like 5 year olds. Does Apple take your brain as colatteral when you buy their products?

Steve Jobs liked it up the ass says:

Why should they abandon a market they're dominating? Damn you Apple people think like 5 year olds. Does Apple take your brain as colatteral when you buy their products?

Steve Jobs liked it up the ass says:

Why should they abandon a market they're dominating? Damn you Apple people think like 5 year olds. Does Apple take your brain as colatteral when you buy their products?

jaswanth.koppu says:

just for this quater ..lets wait for the next quater results...

jobs died from aids says:

We can only use Apple's best quarters when making comparisons? WTF kind of reatarded Apple logic is that?

jobs died from aids says:

We can only use Apple's best quarters when making comparisons? WTF kind of reatarded Apple logic is that?

jobs died from aids says:

We can only use Apple's best quarters when making comparisons? WTF kind of reatarded Apple logic is that?

jobs died from aids says:

We can only use Apple's best quarters when making comparisons? WTF kind of reatarded Apple logic is that?

jobs died from aids says:

We can only use Apple's best quarters when making comparisons? WTF kind of reatarded Apple logic is that?

gladthathomojobsisdead says:

What are 12 years old? Apple started with the litigation , Samsung is just defending themselves. I know it's hard for you to understand since you've been completely conditioned by Apples marketing department to worship Apple. You're pathetic

johncblandii says:

I'm sure this is more about their countersuit and not defending their products as "not a copy". The code will clearly show they infringed on Samsung patents, I'm assuming.
It is a bold move though. I doubt the judge allows it but wow would it change this legal debacle [from both sides]. :)

Michael Scott Allen says:

This is getting ridiculous. The problem is, I actually defended Samsung for awhile, and I am an iPhone user. Now, however, it's obvious that they are scrambling for anything to delay this further while they continue to put something together on the back end.
It's just dirty and it makes them look silly.

Michael Scott Allen says:

This is getting ridiculous. The problem is, I actually defended Samsung for awhile, and I am an iPhone user. Now, however, it's obvious that they are scrambling for anything to delay this further while they continue to put something together on the back end.
It's just dirty and it makes them look silly.

johncblandii says:

$120 on contract? Samsung phones cost 4,5, and 600 bucks. See my other comment. I know about profit share, etc.
Samsung indeed lost money in Q3.

Derek says:

It is not $120 but it is $149 without contract on Straight Talk(see link below, sold exclusively by Walmart) and Boost Mobile with a slightly different name. Samsung sells a ton of these low end Android phones in the US and the one I'm linking pretty much sucks.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20095506-251/wal-mart-and-tracfone-...

johncblandii says:

@Derek
You're calling out a trac phone? :-D They do from bottom to top. It all equals money. :)

johncblandii says:

$120 on contract? Samsung phones cost 4,5, and 600 bucks. See my other comment. I know about profit share, etc.
Samsung indeed lost money in Q3.

johncblandii says:

Yeah, the 4s will level the playing field for sure. The news in January will be interesting. :)

johncblandii says:

@Darktanone
Oh yeah. All of the pundits had it wildly wrong. Apple kept is simple, as they always do, and, IMHO, killed it. That was an great(!!!!) decision.

Robert White says:

Damn Rene you sound pissed that Samsung would go about using legal court tactics in a lawsuit w/ Apple. You mad bro?

Robert White says:

Damn Rene you sound pissed that Samsung would go about using legal court tactics in a lawsuit w/ Apple. You mad bro?

Robert White says:

Oh and I really can't wait until Apple releases their mythical TV (If they are foolish enough to jump into that market)... There is simply no way to make a marvelous new invention in that ages old tech without infringing an untold number of patents. Many of which Samsung holds.
I'm anxious to read your reaction Rene. Don't let me down fella.

joh says:

If they both just stop acing like children and instead make great products. all these lawsuits cost money and are paid for by shareholders and customers. This nonsense is ultimately harming customers and product development.