Comments on: Is ActiveSync an "Open" Apple Trojan Horse? - Wait-a-Thon http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/ More of everything iPhone and iPad Fri, 25 May 2012 15:49:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Rene Ritchie http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6199 Rene Ritchie Fri, 18 Apr 2008 05:33:58 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6199 <p>That's unusual. In my experience IT is typically far more resistant to IMAP than MAPI.</p> <p>(Would that MS would provide easier, more secure IMAP options for Exchange... though it would break the pesky proprietary lock in...)</p> That's unusual. In my experience IT is typically far more resistant to IMAP than MAPI.

(Would that MS would provide easier, more secure IMAP options for Exchange... though it would break the pesky proprietary lock in...)

]]> By: Dyvim http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6198 Dyvim Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:44:51 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6198 <p>Now if only my company would set up Exchange ActiveSync on their Exchange server. They only have IMAP access configured, so I've never been able to get push email on my WM devices either. Maybe one day.</p> Now if only my company would set up Exchange ActiveSync on their Exchange server. They only have IMAP access configured, so I've never been able to get push email on my WM devices either. Maybe one day.

]]> By: cmaier http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6197 cmaier Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:56:01 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6197 <p>not a h8er. i have 2 64-bit servers running windows xp pro 32. Just don't want to install a new OS just for exchange for two users.</p> not a h8er. i have 2 64-bit servers running windows xp pro 32. Just don't want to install a new OS just for exchange for two users.

]]> By: surur http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6196 surur Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:43:38 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6196 <table width=100% bgcolor=lightgray><tr><td bgcolor=white>I've been looking into hosting it on my own server, but MS does seem to make it a pain - it seems to require a 64-bit OS? Doesn't seem to be any real open source alternative that doesn't require client software such as outlook plugins, unless I missed something?</td></tr></table> <p>There is an open source exchange activesync implementation. This way M$-h8ers can have their cake and eat it too.</p> <table width=100% bgcolor=lightgray><tr><td bgcolor=white><strong>Z-push</strong> Mobile data synchronization is becoming increasingly important for many people, and various standards have arisen to perform this two-way copying 'over-the-air'. The most important platforms that can do wireless synchronisation are ActiveSync that is used to communicate with Exchange Server and Research-in-Motion's BlackBerry Enterprise Server (BES). Both solutions require proprietary server-side software from the vendor, therefore limiting the use of PIMs (personal information managers) to either wired synchronization or irritating 3rd-party synchronizers requiring the installation of client software on the PDA. This is where Open source Z-Push comes in; it is an implementation of Microsoft's ActiveSync protocol which is used 'over-the-air' for multi platform active sync devices, including Windows Mobile and active sync used on Ericsson and Nokia phones. Open source Z-Push enables any PHP-based groupware package to become fully syncable with any ActiveSync-compliant device. Being an opensource project under the GPL, it allows developers to add their own backend so that Z-Push can communicate with their groupware solution. Currently, Z-Push is available with only four backends: the IMAP and the maildir backend for e-mail synchronisation, the vCard backend for contact synchronisation and one for the commercial Zarafa package which is sold by allowing full synchronization of E-mail, Calendar and Contacts. We expect that other backends arise in the near future as the opensource community gets to grips with the new possibilities</td></tr></table> <p><a href="http://z-push.sourceforge.net/soswp/" target="_blank">http://z-push.sourceforge.net/soswp/</a></p> <p>Modaco wrote about it over here. Seems to work reasonably well. <a href="http://www.modaco.com/content/Windows-Mobile-News/265175/Z-Push-open-sources-Server-Activesync/" target="_blank">http://www.modaco.com/content/Windows-Mobile-News/265175/Z-Push-open-sources-Server-Activesync/</a></p> <p>Surur</p> I've been looking into hosting it on my own server, but MS does seem to make it a pain - it seems to require a 64-bit OS? Doesn't seem to be any real open source alternative that doesn't require client software such as outlook plugins, unless I missed something?

There is an open source exchange activesync implementation. This way M$-h8ers can have their cake and eat it too.

Z-push Mobile data synchronization is becoming increasingly important for many people, and various standards have arisen to perform this two-way copying 'over-the-air'. The most important platforms that can do wireless synchronisation are ActiveSync that is used to communicate with Exchange Server and Research-in-Motion's BlackBerry Enterprise Server (BES). Both solutions require proprietary server-side software from the vendor, therefore limiting the use of PIMs (personal information managers) to either wired synchronization or irritating 3rd-party synchronizers requiring the installation of client software on the PDA. This is where Open source Z-Push comes in; it is an implementation of Microsoft's ActiveSync protocol which is used 'over-the-air' for multi platform active sync devices, including Windows Mobile and active sync used on Ericsson and Nokia phones. Open source Z-Push enables any PHP-based groupware package to become fully syncable with any ActiveSync-compliant device. Being an opensource project under the GPL, it allows developers to add their own backend so that Z-Push can communicate with their groupware solution. Currently, Z-Push is available with only four backends: the IMAP and the maildir backend for e-mail synchronisation, the vCard backend for contact synchronisation and one for the commercial Zarafa package which is sold by allowing full synchronization of E-mail, Calendar and Contacts. We expect that other backends arise in the near future as the opensource community gets to grips with the new possibilities

http://z-push.sourceforge.net/soswp/

Modaco wrote about it over here. Seems to work reasonably well. http://www.modaco.com/content/Windows-Mobile-News/265175/Z-Push-open-sources-Server-Activesync/

Surur

]]> By: cmaier http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6195 cmaier Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:23:55 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6195 <table width=100% bgcolor=lightgray><tr><td bgcolor=white>No need to make it sound like such a pain. <a href=""http://www.google.com/search?q=Hosted+exchange"" target="_blank">Hosted Exchange</a> is very popular, costs from $5-10 per month (and there are even some free services) and gives you a lot of benefits and control over your device, e.g. you could do a remote wipe of your phone if you lose it, and you can keep multiple devices in sync with PIM and e-mail. Its well worth it if you have more than 1 device which you use actively (including laptops). Surur</td></tr></table> <p>I've been looking into hosting it on my own server, but MS does seem to make it a pain - it seems to require a 64-bit OS? Doesn't seem to be any real open source alternative that doesn't require client software such as outlook plugins, unless I missed something?</p> No need to make it sound like such a pain. Hosted Exchange is very popular, costs from $5-10 per month (and there are even some free services) and gives you a lot of benefits and control over your device, e.g. you could do a remote wipe of your phone if you lose it, and you can keep multiple devices in sync with PIM and e-mail. Its well worth it if you have more than 1 device which you use actively (including laptops). Surur

I've been looking into hosting it on my own server, but MS does seem to make it a pain - it seems to require a 64-bit OS? Doesn't seem to be any real open source alternative that doesn't require client software such as outlook plugins, unless I missed something?

]]> By: Rene Ritchie http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6194 Rene Ritchie Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:37:35 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6194 <p>No, getting "hosted" exchange isn't a pain. The pain comes after you get it :)</p> No, getting "hosted" exchange isn't a pain. The pain comes after you get it :)

]]> By: surur http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6193 surur Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:02:18 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6193 <table width=100% bgcolor=lightgray><tr><td bgcolor=white>For a home user, you can usually find service providers running Exchange who charge you a monthly or yearly subscription fee for an Exchange account. If you *<strong>really</strong>* want Exchange at home and you're not a rich, uber-geek, with a tolerance for frustration approaching the infinite, this is probably the way to go.</td></tr></table> <p>No need to make it sound like such a pain. <a href=""http://www.google.com/search?q=Hosted+exchange"" target="_blank">Hosted Exchange</a> is very popular, costs from $5-10 per month (and there are even some free services) and gives you a lot of benefits and control over your device, e.g. you could do a remote wipe of your phone if you lose it, and you can keep multiple devices in sync with PIM and e-mail. Its well worth it if you have more than 1 device which you use actively (including laptops).</p> <p>Surur</p> For a home user, you can usually find service providers running Exchange who charge you a monthly or yearly subscription fee for an Exchange account. If you *really* want Exchange at home and you're not a rich, uber-geek, with a tolerance for frustration approaching the infinite, this is probably the way to go.

No need to make it sound like such a pain. Hosted Exchange is very popular, costs from $5-10 per month (and there are even some free services) and gives you a lot of benefits and control over your device, e.g. you could do a remote wipe of your phone if you lose it, and you can keep multiple devices in sync with PIM and e-mail. Its well worth it if you have more than 1 device which you use actively (including laptops).

Surur

]]> By: Rene Ritchie http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6192 Rene Ritchie Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:06:28 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6192 <p>Yes and no. Exchange is a server-side application which talks to local client-side apps like Outlook, Entourage, and ActiveSync-licensees. </p> <p>To run your own Exchange server, even if you get in on one of the entry-level (<em>cough</em> traps <em>cough</em>) "action pack" style promos, or abuse an MSDN subscription (which is technically for development work, not production use), you're looking at forking out for Windows Server and Exchange (I think each may come with 5 client licenses, but additional licenses can quickly increase costs). Some are one-time expenses, others can require yearly fees.</p> <p>Plus, you have the pleasure of running, hardening, and maintaining a server and Exchange, which can be a full time network admin job.</p> <p>For a home user, you can usually find service providers running Exchange who charge you a monthly or yearly subscription fee for an Exchange account. If you <em>really</em> want Exchange at home and you're not a rich, uber-geek, with a tolerance for frustration approaching the infinite, this is probably the way to go.</p> Yes and no. Exchange is a server-side application which talks to local client-side apps like Outlook, Entourage, and ActiveSync-licensees.

To run your own Exchange server, even if you get in on one of the entry-level (cough traps cough) "action pack" style promos, or abuse an MSDN subscription (which is technically for development work, not production use), you're looking at forking out for Windows Server and Exchange (I think each may come with 5 client licenses, but additional licenses can quickly increase costs). Some are one-time expenses, others can require yearly fees.

Plus, you have the pleasure of running, hardening, and maintaining a server and Exchange, which can be a full time network admin job.

For a home user, you can usually find service providers running Exchange who charge you a monthly or yearly subscription fee for an Exchange account. If you really want Exchange at home and you're not a rich, uber-geek, with a tolerance for frustration approaching the infinite, this is probably the way to go.

]]> By: NPR_aficionado http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6191 NPR_aficionado Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:44:19 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6191 <p>This sounds great that apple is bringing exchange support to the iPhone, I am sure many business professionals will like the option of using the iPhone. I am not familiar enough with exchange (not being a business user of it), is it cost prohibitive for a casual home user?</p> This sounds great that apple is bringing exchange support to the iPhone, I am sure many business professionals will like the option of using the iPhone. I am not familiar enough with exchange (not being a business user of it), is it cost prohibitive for a casual home user?

]]> By: Rene Ritchie http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6190 Rene Ritchie Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:49:27 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6190 <p>It wasn't just IE that caused the litigation, it was Microsoft abusing their monopoly by extorting vendors into deliberately excluding Netscape that went to the heart of the matter.</p> <p>Opinion is mixed about the browser as file viewer, since Mac's finder offers both browser and spatial representation views. Old school believes you should never be able to have more than one representation of a file viewable at any one time, which a browser-based view clearly allows.</p> <p>(I personally like the browser-view option).</p> It wasn't just IE that caused the litigation, it was Microsoft abusing their monopoly by extorting vendors into deliberately excluding Netscape that went to the heart of the matter.

Opinion is mixed about the browser as file viewer, since Mac's finder offers both browser and spatial representation views. Old school believes you should never be able to have more than one representation of a file viewable at any one time, which a browser-based view clearly allows.

(I personally like the browser-view option).

]]> By: surur http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6189 surur Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:40:09 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6189 <table width=100% bgcolor=lightgray><tr><td bgcolor=white>Doesn't every Windows machine support (Active)sync'ing with a WinMob phone already?</td></tr></table> <p>Strangely enough - no. You have to download it. I wonder why.... Maybe it has something to do with a certain browser and idiots who complained about it being bundled.</p> <p>And having a browser front end for your OS is actually very innovative - in fact I though the new OS made by ACCESS (Makers of the netfront browser) would do just that.</p> <p>If the concept had been embraced (vs being a source for litigation) active content on the desktop (now called widgets) would have been common a lot earlier.</p> <p>Surur</p> Doesn't every Windows machine support (Active)sync'ing with a WinMob phone already?

Strangely enough - no. You have to download it. I wonder why.... Maybe it has something to do with a certain browser and idiots who complained about it being bundled.

And having a browser front end for your OS is actually very innovative - in fact I though the new OS made by ACCESS (Makers of the netfront browser) would do just that.

If the concept had been embraced (vs being a source for litigation) active content on the desktop (now called widgets) would have been common a lot earlier.

Surur

]]> By: Rene Ritchie http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6188 Rene Ritchie Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:06:10 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6188 <p>Microsoft didn't just ship IE with Windows, they artificially tied IE into the core OS so that everything, including the file manager, couldn't function without it. Again, not what they did but how they did it.</p> <p>Doesn't every Windows machine support (Active)sync'ing with a WinMob phone already?</p> Microsoft didn't just ship IE with Windows, they artificially tied IE into the core OS so that everything, including the file manager, couldn't function without it. Again, not what they did but how they did it.

Doesn't every Windows machine support (Active)sync'ing with a WinMob phone already?

]]> By: surur http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6187 surur Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:19:02 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6187 <p>So by that logic OSX should not ship with iTunes, right? Having software built-in is some kind of sin, isn't it?</p> <p>So whats wrong with bundling Mobile Device Centre with every desktop. Makes sense, doesn't it? I plug in my WM phone, and the software to sync it is there already. I wonder who is stopping MS from doing that. I wonder....</p> <p>Surur</p> So by that logic OSX should not ship with iTunes, right? Having software built-in is some kind of sin, isn't it?

So whats wrong with bundling Mobile Device Centre with every desktop. Makes sense, doesn't it? I plug in my WM phone, and the software to sync it is there already. I wonder who is stopping MS from doing that. I wonder....

Surur

]]> By: Rene Ritchie http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6186 Rene Ritchie Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:57:27 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6186 <p>What Microsoft did was not illegal, the way in which they did it was illegal. </p> <p>If they hadn't used intel to steal Quicktime and just developed their own successful competitor, they would have been fine (although it appears after years and many versions they couldn't, which is rather baffling). If they had just made IE a download instead of forcing it into the OS, they would have been fine. Etc. Etc.</p> <p>We've had this discussion before. Windows Live is brilliant, and a perfect example of how Microsoft can deliver superior apps without extorting manufacturers, stealing code, creating artificial tie-ins, or otherwise acting illegally.</p> <p>Likewise, having the Entourage team talk to the Exchange and Outlook teams is not only perfectly legal, but inescapably a best-practices scenario. That they hadn't done so until recently is very troubling from a consumer perspective.</p> What Microsoft did was not illegal, the way in which they did it was illegal.

If they hadn't used intel to steal Quicktime and just developed their own successful competitor, they would have been fine (although it appears after years and many versions they couldn't, which is rather baffling). If they had just made IE a download instead of forcing it into the OS, they would have been fine. Etc. Etc.

We've had this discussion before. Windows Live is brilliant, and a perfect example of how Microsoft can deliver superior apps without extorting manufacturers, stealing code, creating artificial tie-ins, or otherwise acting illegally.

Likewise, having the Entourage team talk to the Exchange and Outlook teams is not only perfectly legal, but inescapably a best-practices scenario. That they hadn't done so until recently is very troubling from a consumer perspective.

]]> By: agordon10 http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6185 agordon10 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:30:06 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6185 <p>I don't think so, active sync is pretty handy and hands-free. Great way to easily organize your important data.</p> I don't think so, active sync is pretty handy and hands-free. Great way to easily organize your important data.

]]> By: marcol http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6184 marcol Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:32:55 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6184 <table width=100% bgcolor=lightgray><tr><td bgcolor=white>Probably the majority of mobile devices with exchange Activesync are shipped by Nokia, in their N-series phones.</td></tr></table> <p>I'm not sure that's so. To get Exchange working on my E61 I had to download the (free) 'Mail4Exchange' software from the Nokia site. I seem to recall that this wasn't (at one time at least) available at all for the N95 (I remember reading discussions of workarounds to get the E series Mail4Exchange working).</p> Probably the majority of mobile devices with exchange Activesync are shipped by Nokia, in their N-series phones.

I'm not sure that's so. To get Exchange working on my E61 I had to download the (free) 'Mail4Exchange' software from the Nokia site. I seem to recall that this wasn't (at one time at least) available at all for the N95 (I remember reading discussions of workarounds to get the E series Mail4Exchange working).

]]> By: surur http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6183 surur Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:20:29 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6183 <table width=100% bgcolor=lightgray><tr><td bgcolor=white> How Microsoft fails to leverage even their greatest assests is stupefying...</td></tr></table> <p>You mean like leveraging their desktop monopoly to enter new markets and overcome embedded competitors?</p> <p>Ive heard thats illegal.....</p> <p>Surur</p> How Microsoft fails to leverage even their greatest assests is stupefying...

You mean like leveraging their desktop monopoly to enter new markets and overcome embedded competitors?

Ive heard thats illegal.....

Surur

]]> By: Rene Ritchie http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6182 Rene Ritchie Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:03:49 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6182 <p>Does Entourage use ActiveSync proper? I almost fell off my chair last year when the head of the MS Mac BU said they went and talked FOR THE FIRST TIME to the Exchange people. How Microsoft fails to leverage even their greatest assests is stupefying...</p> Does Entourage use ActiveSync proper? I almost fell off my chair last year when the head of the MS Mac BU said they went and talked FOR THE FIRST TIME to the Exchange people. How Microsoft fails to leverage even their greatest assests is stupefying...

]]> By: mclark2112 http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6181 mclark2112 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:51:47 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6181 <p>And I thought I got rid of activesync when I sold my Treo!</p> And I thought I got rid of activesync when I sold my Treo!

]]> By: surur http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6180 surur Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:02:05 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6180 <table width=100% bgcolor=lightgray><tr><td bgcolor=white>ActiveSync is ubiquitous only because it's part of every Windows operating system these days.</td></tr></table> <p>That does not make sense at all. Windows does not ship with Activesync. Exchange Activesync only works with desktop outlook, and you have to pay big bucks for that. Probably the majority of mobile devices with exchange Activesync are shipped by Nokia, in their N-series phones.</p> <p>Maybe its ubiquitous because Exchange is very widely used in business? Or would that make too much sense?</p> <p>Surur</p> ActiveSync is ubiquitous only because it's part of every Windows operating system these days.

That does not make sense at all. Windows does not ship with Activesync. Exchange Activesync only works with desktop outlook, and you have to pay big bucks for that. Probably the majority of mobile devices with exchange Activesync are shipped by Nokia, in their N-series phones.

Maybe its ubiquitous because Exchange is very widely used in business? Or would that make too much sense?

Surur

]]> By: sparhawk http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6179 sparhawk Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:55:12 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6179 <p>ActiveSync is ubiquitous only because it's part of every Windows operating system these days.</p> ActiveSync is ubiquitous only because it's part of every Windows operating system these days.

]]> By: WatersWest http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6178 WatersWest Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:51:24 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6178 <p>Frankly, not having Exchange ActiveSync is what has been holding me up on the purchase of an iPhone. Pulling e-mail of a POP server on my WinMob device was entirely too frustrating. When I switched to Outlook push e-mail via exchange, I became too deeply entrenched to give it up. Come June, it's 2nd Gen iPhone with ActiveSync for me!</p> Frankly, not having Exchange ActiveSync is what has been holding me up on the purchase of an iPhone. Pulling e-mail of a POP server on my WinMob device was entirely too frustrating. When I switched to Outlook push e-mail via exchange, I became too deeply entrenched to give it up. Come June, it's 2nd Gen iPhone with ActiveSync for me!

]]> By: Rene Ritchie http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6177 Rene Ritchie Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:08:38 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6177 <p>From an end-user perspective, if you don't mind being locked in to Outlook and Internet Explorer (or suffering through IMAP and crippled-web versions in other apps), then ActiveSync and Exchange are both brilliant.</p> <p>From an administrator perspective, they are (at least prior to 2007 version, I haven't used that yet), annoying as heck, with so many artificial restrictions, poor GUI (or CLI-only!!) setups, and other nightmarish implementations that the mind boggles.</p> <p>From an exec perspective, the low-cost of buy in, but incredible nickel and diming that goes into every license and yearly fee is painful. (Sorry, you've outgrown the 20 user starter, you need to buy more licenses -- but wait, you 20 user license doesn't allow for more users or for upgrades, so you've got to re-buy them all first, and don't forget that's for client, service, and server...!)</p> From an end-user perspective, if you don't mind being locked in to Outlook and Internet Explorer (or suffering through IMAP and crippled-web versions in other apps), then ActiveSync and Exchange are both brilliant.

From an administrator perspective, they are (at least prior to 2007 version, I haven't used that yet), annoying as heck, with so many artificial restrictions, poor GUI (or CLI-only!!) setups, and other nightmarish implementations that the mind boggles.

From an exec perspective, the low-cost of buy in, but incredible nickel and diming that goes into every license and yearly fee is painful. (Sorry, you've outgrown the 20 user starter, you need to buy more licenses -- but wait, you 20 user license doesn't allow for more users or for upgrades, so you've got to re-buy them all first, and don't forget that's for client, service, and server...!)

]]> By: burnsaa http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6176 burnsaa Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:03:47 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6176 <p>I also enjoy the ease of which exchange activesync works and am excited about having it on the iPhone.</p> I also enjoy the ease of which exchange activesync works and am excited about having it on the iPhone.

]]> By: surur http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6175 surur Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:40:56 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6175 <table width=100% bgcolor=lightgray><tr><td bgcolor=white>Never have been a fan of activesync. I wonder how many headaches it will give iPhone users...</td></tr></table> <p>Ignoring the conspiracy theory (sounds like a good plan) but Exchange Activesync works wonderfully. I rent a hosted exchange service, and have my desktop, laptop, PDA, HTC Vox and HTC Kaiser all synced at the same time. Change something and its synced somewhere else. I dont just use it for push e-mail, but for tasks, calender and PIM too, and when I get a new device I just enter my exchange details, and all my info flows straight into the device, no desktop needed.</p> <p>Like Stevie said, BOOM!</p> <p>Surur</p> Never have been a fan of activesync. I wonder how many headaches it will give iPhone users...

Ignoring the conspiracy theory (sounds like a good plan) but Exchange Activesync works wonderfully. I rent a hosted exchange service, and have my desktop, laptop, PDA, HTC Vox and HTC Kaiser all synced at the same time. Change something and its synced somewhere else. I dont just use it for push e-mail, but for tasks, calender and PIM too, and when I get a new device I just enter my exchange details, and all my info flows straight into the device, no desktop needed.

Like Stevie said, BOOM!

Surur

]]> By: Bad Ash http://www.imore.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/comment-page-1/#comment-6174 Bad Ash Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:16:44 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/04/14/is-activesync-an-open-apple-trojan-horse-wait-a-thon/#comment-6174 <p>Never have been a fan of activesync. I wonder how many headaches it will give iPhone users...</p> Never have been a fan of activesync. I wonder how many headaches it will give iPhone users...

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