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	<title>Comments on: TiPb Retorts: iPhone Shmodcasts?! WinMo GPS Locks?! Fight the Real Enemy!</title>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2008/11/29/attack-windows-pundits-iphone-22-yeah-meh/comment-page-1/#comment-21796</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;:shock:&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Merle Shamblin</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2008/11/29/attack-windows-pundits-iphone-22-yeah-meh/comment-page-1/#comment-21785</link>
		<dc:creator>Merle Shamblin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hello my name is Merle Dean Shamblin and I would like to be your new friend. I sure could use somebody to chat with. I am a 47 year old long haul truck driver who currently lives in Duncan Oklahoma. Dec 8th 1960 I was born in Fairview Oklahoma. Moved to Caddo and Washita counties where I attended school at Colony Hydro and Weatherford. My parents Malvin and Wanda Shamblin were cotton and peanut farmers. Dad died in 99 from lung cancer. Graduated from SWOSU with a business degree. My two sisters are LaDonna Hubert and Malva Burrahm. Dennis is my brother. I have been a truck driver for 14 years and have driven 2 million paid miles. I have received many safe driving awards over the years. I am single and have never been married. I have a wide range of interests and am pretty much an open book. Currently I drive a 2006 Freightliner for a major carrier. I dont go to Canada very often. I dont have a dedicated route so I run the entire lower 48. I enjoy reading cinema music sports travel etc&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello my name is Merle Dean Shamblin and I would like to be your new friend. I sure could use somebody to chat with. I am a 47 year old long haul truck driver who currently lives in Duncan Oklahoma. Dec 8th 1960 I was born in Fairview Oklahoma. Moved to Caddo and Washita counties where I attended school at Colony Hydro and Weatherford. My parents Malvin and Wanda Shamblin were cotton and peanut farmers. Dad died in 99 from lung cancer. Graduated from SWOSU with a business degree. My two sisters are LaDonna Hubert and Malva Burrahm. Dennis is my brother. I have been a truck driver for 14 years and have driven 2 million paid miles. I have received many safe driving awards over the years. I am single and have never been married. I have a wide range of interests and am pretty much an open book. Currently I drive a 2006 Freightliner for a major carrier. I dont go to Canada very often. I dont have a dedicated route so I run the entire lower 48. I enjoy reading cinema music sports travel etc</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2008/11/29/attack-windows-pundits-iphone-22-yeah-meh/comment-page-1/#comment-21764</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Who says they&#039;re not working on those things? Perhaps they&#039;re spending time making those things BETTER rather than same ol&#039; same ol&#039;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I remember just a few years ago wondering why Apple&#039;s new cell phone was taking so long. Now I know... and I&#039;m glad they came out with something revolutionary rather than just another phone.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who says they&#8217;re not working on those things? Perhaps they&#8217;re spending time making those things BETTER rather than same ol&#8217; same ol&#8217;.</p>

<p>I remember just a few years ago wondering why Apple&#8217;s new cell phone was taking so long. Now I know&#8230; and I&#8217;m glad they came out with something revolutionary rather than just another phone.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Brett Quam</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2008/11/29/attack-windows-pundits-iphone-22-yeah-meh/comment-page-1/#comment-21705</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Quam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sometimes I would rather have the carrier lockdown crap over the Apple lockdown.  Why?  XDA-Developers can generally get us Windows Mobile users past the carriers crippling or loading us up with bloatware.  The iPhone dev team still can&#039;t enable turn-by-turn GPS, cut and paste, A2DP (how is this still missing?), etc.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;At least Windows Mobile is still open enough to allow people to get around the follies of the carriers or Microsoft.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I would rather have the carrier lockdown crap over the Apple lockdown.  Why?  XDA-Developers can generally get us Windows Mobile users past the carriers crippling or loading us up with bloatware.  The iPhone dev team still can&#8217;t enable turn-by-turn GPS, cut and paste, A2DP (how is this still missing?), etc.  </p>

<p>At least Windows Mobile is still open enough to allow people to get around the follies of the carriers or Microsoft.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2008/11/29/attack-windows-pundits-iphone-22-yeah-meh/comment-page-1/#comment-21699</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not huffy it&#039;s being pointed out... and wouldn&#039;t dream of ever apologizing for Apple. I want a closed platform. That&#039;s what has always made Apple products superior. We get the best of what is truly needed without the confusing, chaotic clutter that has WinMo people coming over to Apple in the first place.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not huffy it&#8217;s being pointed out&#8230; and wouldn&#8217;t dream of ever apologizing for Apple. I want a closed platform. That&#8217;s what has always made Apple products superior. We get the best of what is truly needed without the confusing, chaotic clutter that has WinMo people coming over to Apple in the first place.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dieter Bohn</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2008/11/29/attack-windows-pundits-iphone-22-yeah-meh/comment-page-1/#comment-21693</link>
		<dc:creator>Dieter Bohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Rene - &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Froze AT&amp;T out, eh?  Guess that&#039;s why we have real turn by turn directions, because Apple can do whatever they want on the platform and AT&amp;T would never complain about how they&#039;re not getting let into the traditional TeleNav ARPU Loop, and even if they did, it&#039;s not like that would stop Apple from offering it or allowing it in their development kit.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oh, wait. :P&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Agree that MS needs to step up.  Also agreed that Apple is backsliding with the 3G.  And yes, I think there&#039;s more than meets there eye here wrt turn by turn.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Guess I&#039;m just saying that when it comes to openness and not-locking-down, Apple Apologists ought not get all huffy when WinMo people point it out.  MS may be buckling to ARPU pressure from carriers at the expense of the platform, but I think it&#039;s fair to say that Apple doing it too, eh?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rene &#8211; </p>

<p>Froze AT&amp;T out, eh?  Guess that&#8217;s why we have real turn by turn directions, because Apple can do whatever they want on the platform and AT&amp;T would never complain about how they&#8217;re not getting let into the traditional TeleNav ARPU Loop, and even if they did, it&#8217;s not like that would stop Apple from offering it or allowing it in their development kit.</p>

<p>Oh, wait. <img src='http://www.imore.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

<p>Agree that MS needs to step up.  Also agreed that Apple is backsliding with the 3G.  And yes, I think there&#8217;s more than meets there eye here wrt turn by turn.</p>

<p>Guess I&#8217;m just saying that when it comes to openness and not-locking-down, Apple Apologists ought not get all huffy when WinMo people point it out.  MS may be buckling to ARPU pressure from carriers at the expense of the platform, but I think it&#8217;s fair to say that Apple doing it too, eh?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rene Ritchie</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2008/11/29/attack-windows-pundits-iphone-22-yeah-meh/comment-page-1/#comment-21686</link>
		<dc:creator>Rene Ritchie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Joe @thekevinmoster:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Apple basically froze AT&amp;T out of the iPhone -- they didn&#039;t get to see it until almost the last minute. They didn&#039;t get to cripple the WiFi or GPS. They didn&#039;t get to load a ton of carrier crapware, ringtone services, or other nonsense onto the phone. They didn&#039;t even get their branding on the hardware. They also deliver updates outside the snails (or non-existent) pace of other carrier-bound handsets.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With the original iPhone 2G, Apple even handled the activation inside iTunes, completely outside the carrier model.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Perhaps 1.5 years is long enough time to forget, and perhaps Apple is guilty of backsliding with the 3G, but not recognizing how Apple has dictated terms to the carriers that were before all but un-imaginable, is pretty hard to fathom.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And even with the 3G, they&#039;ve frozen the carrier out of music and out of Apps.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If Microsoft, RIM, and Google step up, we can begin the process of making the carriers the ISPs they really are.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joe @thekevinmoster:</p>

<p>Apple basically froze AT&amp;T out of the iPhone &#8212; they didn&#8217;t get to see it until almost the last minute. They didn&#8217;t get to cripple the WiFi or GPS. They didn&#8217;t get to load a ton of carrier crapware, ringtone services, or other nonsense onto the phone. They didn&#8217;t even get their branding on the hardware. They also deliver updates outside the snails (or non-existent) pace of other carrier-bound handsets.</p>

<p>With the original iPhone 2G, Apple even handled the activation inside iTunes, completely outside the carrier model.</p>

<p>Perhaps 1.5 years is long enough time to forget, and perhaps Apple is guilty of backsliding with the 3G, but not recognizing how Apple has dictated terms to the carriers that were before all but un-imaginable, is pretty hard to fathom.</p>

<p>And even with the 3G, they&#8217;ve frozen the carrier out of music and out of Apps.</p>

<p>If Microsoft, RIM, and Google step up, we can begin the process of making the carriers the ISPs they really are.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: thekevinmonster</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2008/11/29/attack-windows-pundits-iphone-22-yeah-meh/comment-page-1/#comment-21685</link>
		<dc:creator>thekevinmonster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joe has a good point. How does selling a carrier locked iPhone in the United States show that they&#039;re breaking carrier locks?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe has a good point. How does selling a carrier locked iPhone in the United States show that they&#8217;re breaking carrier locks?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2008/11/29/attack-windows-pundits-iphone-22-yeah-meh/comment-page-1/#comment-21681</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Blah, blah, blah...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Those pathetic WM clowns still insist on going down with their ship. :lol:&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blah, blah, blah&#8230;</p>

<p>Those pathetic WM clowns still insist on going down with their ship. <img src='http://www.imore.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2008/11/29/attack-windows-pundits-iphone-22-yeah-meh/comment-page-1/#comment-21680</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Honest question: exactly what has Apple done to &quot;break carrier locks&quot; seem like the iPhone and how difficult it us to unlock and how tightly apple and att control what can go on it means apple us taking us in the other direction.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honest question: exactly what has Apple done to &#8220;break carrier locks&#8221; seem like the iPhone and how difficult it us to unlock and how tightly apple and att control what can go on it means apple us taking us in the other direction.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Sikora</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2008/11/29/attack-windows-pundits-iphone-22-yeah-meh/comment-page-1/#comment-21678</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Sikora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I hate that I can&#039;t edit my post above.... &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Another reason they could have made it that way is because of iTunes.  (What I meant to type...)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate that I can&#8217;t edit my post above&#8230;. </p>

<p>Another reason they could have made it that way is because of iTunes.  (What I meant to type&#8230;)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Sikora</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2008/11/29/attack-windows-pundits-iphone-22-yeah-meh/comment-page-1/#comment-21677</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Sikora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rene, nice response to what seems to be &quot;cheap shots&quot; by the other SPE sites... as for your streaming question, I could be wrong but isn&#039;t that stream compressed a great deal?  Another reason why they could made it that was is because of iTunes.  People could start getting away from iTunes if it was that simple to do it right from the iPhone. I understand I am probably pushing it there but who knows...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rene, nice response to what seems to be &#8220;cheap shots&#8221; by the other SPE sites&#8230; as for your streaming question, I could be wrong but isn&#8217;t that stream compressed a great deal?  Another reason why they could made it that was is because of iTunes.  People could start getting away from iTunes if it was that simple to do it right from the iPhone. I understand I am probably pushing it there but who knows&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: iAirmanshirk</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2008/11/29/attack-windows-pundits-iphone-22-yeah-meh/comment-page-1/#comment-21675</link>
		<dc:creator>iAirmanshirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Could you guys start making summaries at the end, i get too lazy to read the whole thing, but i really wanna know what its about lol ;D&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you guys start making summaries at the end, i get too lazy to read the whole thing, but i really wanna know what its about lol ;D</p>]]></content:encoded>
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