VERABTIM = VERBATIM.

I think the words you are looking for are Stubborn, Oblivious Elitists.

Basically they think they know everything and lie to themselves until they believe the garbage Apple tells them to.

@Matt I am pretty sure what I just typed above is VERABTIM 1984 Doublethink. Go look it up idiot.

Matt, are you confused? Go pick up a copy of 1984 and try to make your feable mind understand the parallels painted in my post.

If you still aren't satisfied, then go pick up a copy of a Brave New World and see if you can get it then. Otherwise I am sorry to say you are lost and you can keep taking your SOMA until you die in your obliviousness.

I concur! Why are Apple users such supremacists? Or is separatists the right label? "Only Apple products should be able to sync with iTunes!" That kind of thinking is why Macs are so far behind PCs!

I don't think you have read 1984 and if you have I am certain you didn't understand it.

The Pre simply supports the iPhone OS, and many others may follow by licencing from Pre or iPhone.

That is overstating the case.

Does my USB Logitech mouse "Support Windows Vista" just because it works with Vista, and 15flavors of Linux and FreeBSD and MAC OS X? Thats a lot of support for a little mouse.

The Pre just pretends to be a iPod. That's far far cry from "supporting the iPhone OS".

Unlike trademarks, there is no need to file patent claim immediately. Companies often wait until they have maximum leverage to file (see NTP vs RIM), or hold it in reserve so they can use it to force some cross-licensing of their own products. Suing earlier instead of taking investor cash would have wasted that bullet, leaving Palm with a possibility of settlement money and only the dead end Treo/Centro line while they spent scarce money on lawsuits instead of R&D. It seems a reasonable gamble for Palm instead to take sure investor cash to fund something new, and to hold any patents in reserve to aid launching a product they hope will save the company.

Sounds a little far fetched to me. Even if you take out the second thought it's still far fetched that Palm would not sue Apple even after the Elevation investment. Only the US Fed prints more money than Apple. If the case would have been that much of a slam dunk Palm would have done it already not play cat and mouse with Apple. Apple has far more resources and could sustain a prolonged legal battle than Palm can. Palm has existential problems even if the Pre is a hit, Apple doesn't. So these patent hypothesis are not all that credible when you consider all of the facts.

This could be a victory for iTunes to allow other vendors to access the largest app store.

The bigger picture is how many more iPhones can be sold.

The shakeout is clearly an OS between iPhone and BB.

The Pre simply supports the iPhone OS, and many others may follow by licencing from Pre or iPhone.

Other vendors are not considering BB licencing therefore enhancing the dominance of the iPhone experience.

This is déjà vu again for apple.

Ultimately, if I were Rubenstein, I would be duplicating the type of code that a certain type of iPod would use to acheive the sync. In the end, disabling any sort of “Pre” sync will be futile because the risk is far to great that Apple consumers will be affected by the “Fix”.

Exactly.

There is no prohibition against emulating voltage patterns down a wire. If there were, there would be no such thing as device interoperability at any level.

This is the same argument that Bell lost when they tried to force you to buy Telephones (land line) from them, and only them. This is settled law since the 60s.

If the Pre wants to emulate an iPod on the USB wire, there is nothing to stop them.

If Apple chose to encrypt what travels on the wire, then Palm would have a bigger problem, because the DMCA makes it illegal to try to circumvent such protection.

However, since NOBODY encrypts USB traffic, such an act might be seen as illegal restraint of trade.

Apple makes money selling music. The Labels will not allow them to pick and choose their customers.

My bet is the Pre appears as a normal USB drive, and you don't need iTunes at all. Most users would simply purchase thru iTunes and copy the music over.

I can't think of a single other phone or mp3 player that requires a SPECIFIC computer-side software. They all appear as USB drives. Only Apple seeks to control what you put on the phone you thought was yours.

"Wrong. The Pre will definitely have I-Tunes syncing. Apple infringes on SO MANY of Palm’s patents that Apple cannot risk having Palm sue them for infringement. Take Palm patent #7,268,775, entitled “Dynamic brightness range for portable computer displays based on ambient conditions,” for example — it covers automatically adjusting display brightness using an ambient light sensor while leaving a user-selected brightness setting alone. Yep, that’s exactly how the iPhone does it: Or how about #7,007,239, “Method and apparatus for accessing a contacts database and telephone services”? Claim 10 is an almost exact description of the iPhone’s phone app — buttons for dialing, call history, contacts, and speed dial that stay on-screen as you toggle between them.

Apple has no choice but to let Palm do what they want or they might be forced to remove many features from their precious I-phone."

I did not even consider this could be a possibility, Apple may be sitting on their hands because they're afraid to spit in the wind.

I've seen them all, I am literally embarrassed for some of Apple fanatics, give it up already. Back in Jan/Feb, a lot of you were saying, "the Pre is vaporware, it's not real", "Palm copied Apples multi-touch patent, Palm will be sued, the Pre will not see the light of day."

The Pre is here, it will launch in a few days.

Shiiet, I'd probably get one if it were on AT&T and had a glass screen instead of plastic. I'm more excited about WebOS than anything else.

Ultimately, if I were Rubenstein, I would be duplicating the type of code that a certain type of iPod would use to acheive the sync. In the end, disabling any sort of "Pre" sync will be futile because the risk is far to great that Apple consumers will be affected by the "Fix". And honestly, the annoucement about the Pre syncing happened what, 4 days ago? Do you honestly think a development team could have a fix ready that promptly? I think not, to believe so would be ludicris....honestly, this type of stuff doesn't get figured out, fixed and approved with QA in 4 days-- it's unheard of.

Anyway, all you apple fan bois who post endlessly about Pre and how it should fail--- you guys are brain washed apple slaves who have been completely mezmorized by apples advertising... go read 1984 and regain some sanity.

You should be happy another competitor has risen that can motivate apple to innovate further.

But, it Apple wants to fight this, their best bet is by modifying the software, as long as there is no prior arrangement with Palm for syncing, as Al has said.

DO you really see Apple wanting to fight this? Is it worth their time? If the Pre syncs, it doesn't exactly make iTunes/Apple look bad. What are the real risks to Apple with Palm having this liberty?