if you have a pre and you like it....good for you. why are you even discussing the iphone? i just dont get it....

all the companies you name have multiple devices....their is a single iphone. maybe eventually we will see others.....adding gps....double the ram, processing power....the app store....these are all things that have come about since the first generation. just because it doesn't look any different doesn't mean it isnt. i think the iphone will change when apple deems it nescessary, they seem to know what they are doing, no? as far as your car/street analogy...well it makes no sense....streets are paid for by the taxpayers and built by the city or state from that money. itunes is a creation of apple...it is their program. therefore it is up to them what they do or don't do with it. when you download the program you agree to certain things by checking that box. this does actually mean something......as far as multitasking goes...yeah id like it with certain apps....but at this point id rather have improved battery life......not a step down in that area

the iPhone has proven to be quite succesful and still does. Why should they really change it at this point?

r just right it just u pay for it anyway why not using ur own freaking device u dont and should not have to have a apple device to use it. it will apple is just like nazis in a way. they tell u what to do and how but not let u choice by ur own will. well nazi times are just over apple.

anyway palm ask apple for permission to sync with itunes apple didnt want them to. maybe it has to do with it that some ex apple employees left and went to palm to make the pre the same guys made the iphone. so maybe. did u ever wonder why apple put 3 iphones on the market they look the same and only have a little bit more stuff in them? maybe apple isnt cappalbe of really bringin a new inovative phone or so out by themself after losing some of there employees to palm? i dont know where u can pull it of to bring out 3 generations of the same look same phone. wow not impressive sorry. anyway listen top KORG and BOSCO and ect they know what they r talking about.

With every new post u do, it's becoming harder and harder to believe you are a "parent". My 3 year old acts in a more stable way

Just sayin'

Trust me when I say this, Palm has bags of money bro, more money then your boy Eminem has! I agree that they are not in the same level as other companies but in the world of patents they hold bags of it and in basic translation that = money! This is the main reason this is not going to court. Settlement agreement in 3…2..1

Oh really? Is that why they just diluted their stock in an offering last week in order to raise $300M? What patents exactly are Apple infringing? Palm has a long history of losing court cases: Graffiti with Xerox, smile keyboard with RIM. The only one they won was when they bought BeOS and sued Microsoft for killing it a decade ago.

Remember, Apple spearheaded the Newton years before the Pilot ever came out. They are flush with their own patents. Palm does not have the cash, nor the technical basis to sue Apple over anything significant.

Of course I can see why Apple isn't backing down, they're so anal that they don't want anyone touching their software. But because I'm paying for the content that iTunes manages and even the devices it syncs to, they need to stfu.

2nd note, is considering that an iphone is pwnd even before the next version comes out its laughable.

bottom line nobody cares but riaa who owns the music online retail funnel. and with that said, this is why apple is making their money staying afloat, they failed in pc market way back in the 80's and never recovered.

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Like I said, I think it's the customers caught in the middle that need the attention. Apple is missing the big picture...

...and so is Palm. There should be no problem with syncing the Pre with iTunes, but did Palm really think of their customers when they advertised compatibility? They knew that there would be no (negotiated) support from Apple. All these disruptions, however brief, diminish the customer's experience.

yeah if the other device makers are too lazy to come up with their own integrated solution, which might actually be beneficial to their customers, just use someone elses....makes perfect sense...

wow! Steve Jobs said he/we are "shameless of stealing great ideas" Ouch that's cold hearted haha! I like that, he has the balls to admit it. Do you?

I stick my my view that Palm offering a feature they have no control over is reckless and anti-user. Apple's promised nothing and provides iTunes for iPod customer sync, that's it. It's not a platform just because it's popular.

Palm should just sync with iTunes XML like everyone else does -- or buy DoubleTwist already

well said. this is the only point on the subject that really matters

i agree its my first palm product i couldnt had cared less about palm but serious the pre is a great phone and did u know that a lot of ex employees from apple made that pre? anyway. i do not care if it can sync with itunes or not because i dont use itunes i use rhapsody what by the way doesnt restrict u unlike apple itunes. well i hope we all can move on and care about important things now?

i just think people have to do better things then argue about this all day long. so i guess we will see what happens and how it ends so it isnt your or mine or everybody elses business its strick between apple and palm. so are we finally done with it?

Giving up arguing all together now, are we?

Palm could not be bothered to write their own program to sync to iTunes, instead they employ programmers to make the Palm Pre to pretend to be an iPod.

That's what this whole charade is all about, a company, namely Palm, who blew the big time, now exploit their newly gained 'underdog' status, while short-changing their own customers.

If I was their customer I would ask them: When you promised iTunes sync, did you have the lisenses in place and the appropriate software to fulfill that promise so that you can guarantee me uninterupted service?

Well Palm had nothing but a cheap marketing plan in which they use their customers as hostages hoping that Apple would in the end just ignore them.

Pretty desperate and shameful, and it doesn't even work.

U know, as bad as fanboys can be, hateboys are not any better. Not one bit.

more misinformation from the iphone blog, i see.

re-enabling iphone sync is putting "customers first" because it lets their customers do more with their device.

limited resources? seems like re-enabling sync isn't particularly resource intensive since they've already done it a few times in short order. also, this blog's opinion buys into the "mythical man month" fallacy.

finally, must every company be a media company, with its own syncing solution? can't we encourage an ecosystem where not all companies have to be exactly like apple, and some can just focus on making excellent devices without having to build their own version of itunes, music store and all?

You invent something, that works well…would you want someone else to “piggy-back” on your invention for THEIR profit??

Yes. Absolutely.

If Toyota invents a great car, I should be able to use it in my job to make money. Even if my job is selling Fords. If I give comparison rides in my bought and paid for Prius to prospective Ford customers, its none of Toyota's business.

As long as you get your money, what I do with it after the fact is none of your business.

If I pay my iTunes bill, that's all that matters.

WELL THINK ABOUT IT IF SOMEONE SAYS YA YOU CAN DRIVE ON THAT HIGHWAY BUT ONLY IF YOU USE THAT ONE SPecific car would you think that is ok? if someone tells you you only can eat at mcdonalds when you eat a salad and nothing else would you like that? i dont think you would and for apple it is a way to even get more money in there pockets because you still need to sign up with itunes to use the palm pre with it so there isnt anything that changes.

more support headache and the possibility for the experience to be ruined (although not Apple’s fault, yet the customers wont differentiate the fault).

Citation needed.

Customers buying a Pre will most certainly differentiate the fault.

I'm not a fan of always assuming other users are always idiots.

If you are going to complain about apple being "close-minded" than think about this:

You event something, that works well...would you want someone else to "piggy-back" on your invention for THEIR profit??

Not me, I'd sue them or block them from jumping on my back and using my invention.

Palm MADE themselves the bastard child of Apple when they claimed to be able to sync to iTunes.

iPhone > Palm > Blackberry

Just wanna make sure I understand you correctly: there is no difference between a hack done for no profit (not even donations) to enhance the functionality of a device that was intended for iTunes (hence, developed by the same company) versus a hack done by a corporation where the sole purpose behind it is profiting off someone else's efforts? Apple can squeeze their brains to come up with the "experience" and someone else can enjoy a free ride? not only free but also make money off the ride?

Got it. Thanx.

@icebike: I don't think Apple really "needs" the extra customers from these 3rd party devices. Don't forget Apple always tries to maintain an experience where they can control. 3rd party devices = more support headache and the possibility for the experience to be ruined (although not Apple's fault, yet the customers wont differentiate the fault). It's a matter of priorities to Apple; expanding customer base versus quality control. A prime example is Vista. When it came out, the 3rd party devices manufacturers were not ready with drivers and support (although they had more than enough time o get ready) and that resulted in BSODs and such. Although it's the manufacturers' fault, the average consumer just bashed Vista and moved on.

Apple is trying to avoid that.

@Arthor if anybody says anything about your grammar just say this, "YOOO, take your spoon out of my alphabet soup."

Apple seems to have forgotten that owners of the Pre that use iTunes are THEIR customers, too, and THAT is not good business.

This is what it all boils down to. If Apple would just stop treating some of their customers like second class citizens this would all blow over.

The best apple could do, would be to publish the Sync protocol for iTunes. License it for some small fee if they wanted. Let anyone use it, and rake in the profits. Having captures 70% market share of world wide on-line music sales, and then spending the time to p^ss off some minuscule tiny percentage of their customers is just childish. I though Apple was about making money. Seems like a lot of Ego Puffing and Chest Thumping is going on if you ask me.

Grow Up Apple. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Take the money and run.

Just stop telling Winmo, Palm, and Android customers, that, yes, you can ride on the bus, as long as you have money, but you have to sit in the back. You have to use some lame crippled manual sync method.

I'm constantly amused at all the people rushing to defend Apple like it was a baby crawling on the freeway.

I’m pretty sure Palm has bags of money too.

Hahaha! Do you have any idea what you're talking about? In the past two years, Palm has received three separate cash infusions from Elevation Partners and just recently had a stock offering to raise more cash. And this was three months after their flashship new wait-and-see platform was available. They are still in deep financial trouble, especially since the Pre simply is not selling as well as they had hoped.

You don't know anything.

Should Palm find another way? Absolutely. Should they stop enabling synch with iTunes? I don't see why they should.

If I owned a Palm product, I'd be fairly upset that my phone only sometimes synced with iTunes instead of what was advertised. Palm should be thinking of the CUSTOMER experience first. Their issues of entitlement are taking the priority and THAT is not good business.

If I used iTunes exclusively and owned a Pre, I'd be fairly upset with Apple for the same thing. Apple seems to have forgotten that owners of the Pre that use iTunes are THEIR customers, too, and THAT is not good business.

I don't see how we can praise either company for their petty gameplay. The customer remains in the middle.

apple has the money to bury palm. Patents or no patents, this is not a fight palm will win....hopefully for their sake apple let's it go....who knws though

1) Two wrongs do not make a right. No matter what Apple's faults might be, it doesn't mean they should allow Palm to pull this BS.

2) Calm down. Your big post came off as a rant, especially with your misspellings and double-negatives ("Apple can't say NOTHING!" as an example). You totally blew your credibility here.

WinMo doesn't rely on someone else's product. Apple doesn't rely on someone else's project. Palm does, and not only do they rely on it, they advertise it. Get real and get your own product.

Is this site full of know-nothing teenagers who are on their parents' family plan? I swear, some of the comments on here are mind-boggling.