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Forget Apple fanboys, what about Apple doomsayers?

Stop me if you've heard this one: Apple is just like a relig—

STOP.

Yeah, you've heard it. Apple is just like a religion. And its customers are acolytes, steeped in the heady lore of the Church of Jobs blah blah blah. For certain pundits and commentators, this explains away everything they don't understand about Apple. Why it does so fabulously well, why its customers are so loyal, why the company is able to charge more for its devices... it explains everything!

A little too neatly.

See, if I could add an addendum to Occam's Razor it would go like this: The simplest explanation is usually the right one... unless it involves magic. Frankly, I think that it's much more valid to apply this argument to Apple's critics than its supporters.

Take, for example, those who continuously proclaim that Apple's doom is nigh. You don't have to look far for them: They literally use the word "doom" in their headlines.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying belief in imminent Apple doom is a religion. I don't think it is. You know what is religion? Religion. Words have meaning, that's what they're for. Most of these people who proclaim Apple doom don't even believe it themselves — they're just selling something.

No, I'm just saying one could make a better case that the Apple Doomsday Cult is a religion than making the argument that Apple itself is. Consider it a thought experiment.

The church of Apple

For starters, let's look at the argument that Apple is a religion. We know this is true because researchers in Britain hooked one Apple fan up to a machine and found his reaction to the brand was stimulating the same centers of the brain that religion stimulates.

Oh, you can argue that one is not a statistically large sample or that even if Apple does stimulate the same brain centers as religion that doesn't mean much because lots of things — our loved ones, playing sports, or the rich, creamy taste of Litehouse Ranch Dressing — could do the same thing, that doesn't make them religions. But now you're just hating on science, hater.

Still there is the generic argument about the canonical "Apple zealot". Do these people who think Apple is perfect in every way all the time and will buy whatever product Apple ships actually exist? Probably. When I invented "Artie MacStrawman" nine years ago, it was not without its basis in fact. But here's the difference: The only place the Arties of the world write is in comments or forums or on the restroom wall of the Applebee's they walked into confusedly thinking it had something to do with Apple. They don't write for supposedly serious publications like Forbes, Fortune, Bloomberg and the Wall Street Journal. They don't have positions as big-time Wall Street analysts. They certainly don't get invited on television to make their case and they definitely do not get book deals (opens in new tab).

The altar of facts

Are there Apple fans who will take any opportunity to point and laugh and make snarky remarks about Apple's competitors? Haha, oh, yeah. Oh, my god, so many. Most of these people also criticize Apple, too. While we prefer Apple's products and their business model, we're not idiots. But pointing out that Apple makes good stuff and makes a ton of money for doing so — in other words, pointing out facts — does not mean you're a religious nut.

Maybe Apple doom is a thing because our culture loves stories that run counter to what everyone thinks. If you can come up with some kind of evidence that donuts are actually good for you, it'd be a big traffic day on Huffington Post. But this dogged adherence to the idea that Apple will fail runs back to the mid-1990s when it was actually failing. In other words, when Apple was failing, no one was getting cushy gigs telling people how it was actually succeeding. Which is good because it wasn't, but you can't explain the Church of Apple Doom away as simply the novelty of being contrarian.

The sweet smell of success

Now, Apple is so much more of a success story than a failure story that it seems almost impossible on a quantum mechanical level. That's really the only thing you need to know to make my case: Apple's not just successful, it's incredibly, dramatically, wildly, record-breakingly successful. So demonstrably successful that saying it's doomed has gone light years past "not even funny anymore" and wrapped all the way around the universe to "thigh-slappingly hysterical" again.

And yet people still believe it's on the edge of going out of business. Well, as I said, they either believe that or they're just selling that idea to get attention. Which, of course, also goes on in religion. QED.

Is Apple always a success? No. Will it always be a success? Given what we presume is the infinite nature of time, probably not. Some time before the sun burns out, Apple will probably again get the kind of managers it had in the mid-1990s, an assortment of clotted meat products in suits who believe that market share is incredibly important and that chasing the lowest common denominator is a sure-fire way to win.

But we're nowhere close to that point yet. So to buy into the idea that it's happening right now, you have to take a lot on faith. Certainly a lot more than believing Apple is a success.

John Moltz is a person on the internet. Sometimes-Editor-In-Chief of Crazy Apple Rumors Site, he runs a Very Nice Website, and his writing has been published in Macworld magazine and TidBITS. He’s still not exactly sure how or why. Possibly through a clerical error. You can follow him on Twitter @moltz.

88 Comments
  • iMore-ons
  • Nice to see you're self aware.
  • That was a great twist on who the cult really is.
  • Scientology?
  • A good way to think about it is that providing factual information is akin to science... NOT to "religion"! On the other hand, constantly predicting "doom" (despite reality indicating the opposite) is more like the religious fervour of a doomsday cult. Another clear sign of religious zealotry is the bigotry and intolerance (usually manifested in the form of insults and baseless negative opinions) attacking people who enjoy using Apple products, because they do not have the same "religious" belief in everything Android or Google-related.
  • Haha, they're just jealous their tech is lame compared to Apple.
  • Not even the case. Just frustrated that better things don't get what they deserve. Posted via iMore App
  • The market works in such a way that better things typically DO get what they deserve. Otherwise capitalism, in general, wouldn't work. So its not that better things aren't getting what they deserve, its that the things YOU prefer aren't getting what YOU think they should. See its really just very egotistical, that's all.
  • *applauds* Sent from the iMore App
  • So with that logic... Internet Explorer was an AMAZING browser and totally deserved it's monopoly like marketshare a decade or so ago. After all, capitalism rewards everyone equally, right? Capitalism is a much better system than most, but it's far from perfect. Correlation does not mean causation. Just because Apple makes the most money doesn't *necessarily* mean it makes the "best" products. Note, I'm not claiming Apple products are bad or anything, just that you can't say a capitalist market doesn't always give everyone what they "deserve," so Apple products aren't definitively better just because they're profiting the most. And anyways, since what tech is the best is very subjective, WinOMG's point that products he/she personally supports aren't getting the recognition he/she feels they deserve is valid. There is no absolute scientific scale for quantifying which company "deserves" what. As such, I'm not sure it's fair to call WinOMG "egotistical" when their idea of what company deserves what is just as valid as anyone else's.
  • Hey iMore, unless it's valid, quantifiable, verified information, you lose credibility when posting garbage posted on a blog titled "Crazy Apple Rumor Site." I can barely remember the days when I respected this site.
  • You're absolutely right. Sent from the iMore App
  • Question- I own and use a 2006 Mac Pro Workstation, a late 2008 15" Macbook Pro, an iPhone 5C and an iPad 2. Does that make me a Cult of Mac follower or does it not, because they aren't the latest Apple Technologies? :-)
  • Anti-Apple-Hulk angry now! Surrounded by pretty butterflies and salient writing, but Anti-Apple-Hulk digress, must smash conversation!
  • LOL
  • Cool. Great twist on the usual and information rich at the same time. As someone who's worked with PCs (that includes Macs BTW) since they first existed and owned or worked on most every Mac, I have to say that Mac zealots are a real thing and they aren't always logical. Anyone who knows sociology and/or psychology well knows that people are animals, they are deeply irrational most of the time, and believe all sorts of things that aren't even close to true. This is the current state of the human race for better or worse. People generally believe what they are told to believe, or what they think they should believe based on what their friends and relatives think. It's also trivially true that MOST people don't actually make rational decisions about things like technology choices. They don't actually weigh the pros and cons of this brand or that, or one device over another. This is why we have retina displays. ;-)
  • Can you elaborate on the retina display comment?
  • Apple "invented" the retina display. Clearly.
  • This isn't a matter of "invention." Apple coined the term "Retina display" to communicate two things: 1) the release of a new smartphone display with very high resolution and 2) the fact that going far beyond this resolution for the given use case was somewhat pointless since the extra resolution would not be discernible by the human eye. Instead of just throwing out a meaningless spec and insulting people's intelligence by pretending that bigger numbers are always better, they communicated this in a way that was relevant to their customers' needs: "this display is so sharp, you can't see the individual pixels." A less scrupulous company, for example, might sell you something like a 40 inch 4K TV, and hope that you will be dumb enough to think you can tell the difference at normal viewing distances. http://www.cnet.com/news/why-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-are-still-stupid/
  • "Anyone who knows sociology and/or psychology well knows that people are animals, they are deeply irrational most of the time, and believe all sorts of things that aren't even close to true. This is the current state of the human race for better or worse." You mean like believing someone is sexist because of ONE innocuous comment?
  • Hate to say it but theirs far more Microsoft Doomsayers then Apple by a LONG shot.
  • With far more reason too!
  • You seem to be one of them
  • So Apple can do no wrong? I'm platform Agnostic and a fan of gadgets in general. I have owned every iPhone and iPad produced and currently have a 6 Plus and iPad Air 2. I also own a Chromebook, Surface 3, several Android tablets, a Windows Phone and several Android phones. I started this post with all that useless information to give context for my next comment, which is going to piss a lot of people off, but the truth hurts: The new Macbook is an overpriced netbook and people who buy it have more money than sense. The Apple watch is grossly overpriced for what it is. I like watches and I have several smartwatches. I would never buy the Apple watch at that price. It's simply not justified. So, yes, Apple can do wrong and they have. Recently. You don't have to be in an "anti-Apple cult" to see that. You just have to have common sense.
  • I certainly didn't say Apple could do no wrong. In fact, I linked to a piece in which I criticized Apple's low-end offering for being woefully underpowered.
  • And I read the whole article and noticed your little footnote about Apple not always being a success. But I feel like the gist of the article is still basically saying "Hey, it's Apple and they're awesome. Haters gonna hate". As if they get a free pass on the stupid decisions they make (like putting a 480p camera in a grossly overpriced netbook) and the price gouging they do. Apple makes a lot of nice products, but they are also getting away with a lot of ridiculous crap that Microsoft, Samsung, etc would never get away with.
  • With all that said, any company in the world would love to be in apple shoes right now. I am not saying they are the best. History have always shown us the best does not always win. Sent from the iMore App
  • I don't disagree. I was simply saying that they aren't perfect and they get a free pass on way more than they should.
  • Yes. Funny I used to say that about Microsoft Windows when I was an os2 users. Anyhow. It is the nature of business. If you take out human side of it, you wouldn't need to think about it. It is the job of any business to make as much as they can. You can replace the word apple with any company in the world. They would do the same. Sent from the iMore App
  • $349 is grossly overpriced? Lol!
  • Well, unless you're a girl, it's $399 for the base model, actually. And, yes, that's double the price of most Android Wear watches (which are just as functional) and the new Pebble Time Steel, which is arguably a better watch for the battery life alone. Lol! No smartwatch is worth $400. And the Apple Watch certainly isn't premium or stylish enough to justify it. Lol!
  • And none of them integrate with the Apple ecosystem like the Apple Watch. Plus, your opinion doesn't make anything fact, but just opinion. If you don't like the Macbook or Watch, then don't buy them. It's that simple.
  • Don't buy them? It's so simple! Why didn't I think of that? Whether or not something integrates with the Apple ecosystem is not a primary concern for me. I'd much rather have a universal device like the Pebble Or Microsoft Band. I would never want to be restricted to Apple products.
  • You know... your opinion doesn't make anything fact either, right?
  • I never said that it did.
  • I'm sure you have a point. I'll wait patiently for it to become apparent.
  • "Unless you are a girl ..."???? Seriously?
    That's some sexist bullshit dude.
  • Yes, because everything is racist or sexist. You are aware that Apple markets the smaller watch to women, right? Moron.
  • Where's this evidence it's made just for women....? Sent from the iMore App
  • There's a difference between "made for" and "marketed to", only one of which did I actually Post.
  • http://news.yahoo.com/why-apple-watch-marketing-focused-women-114527288....
  • Funny, I didn't hear Apple be gender specific on the sizes. And why do you have to resort to name-calling? People are really brave behind a keyboard.
  • Oh, I'm quite brave in person, too. People are really stupid behind a keyboard.
  • Well, I'm glad to see you admit that
  • Admit that you're stupid? Yeah, I had to do some soul-searching, but it was the right thing to do.
  • That comment confirmed your lack of intelligence.
  • Cool story, bro. You're clearly an expert on intelligence. Shut up.
  • Ouch! Please Hammer, don't hurt 'em! Sent from the iMore App
  • ((Well' i'm glad to see you admit that)) Brilliant observation! Sent from the iMore App
  • How? Posted via the iMore App for Android
  • So if you're the a fan of smaller watches vs wrist hummers you have to be a woman. Interesting. How long have you been a flaming sexist?
  • How long have you been going around the internet accusing people of being sexist? Take off your tinfoil hat, bro.
  • Still in a snit that they got your face on camera on the SAE party bus?
  • I'm not sure what that's even supposed to mean, but it's just as inane as your accusation that I'm sexist, so I'll just go ahead and ignore it.
  • Good ignoring. Thank god you typed that otherwise, people might think you weren't ignoring me. Good luck with those chants.
  • Bus had to do with racism, you need to get your references in line, or just don't make them. "I'm da Blur boys!" - Me with 1200 ping. Fiber in Nashville? Save me based Google.
  • He forgot the bus thing had to do with racism, and you're actually right the smaller watch is marketed towards women. Hell, most small watches are. "I'm da Blur boys!" - Me with 1200 ping. Fiber in Nashville? Save me based Google.
  • @gravage Perhaps you are judging the new Macbook's merits - or lack thereof - based entirely on your own needs, preferences, and budget. For someone who travels a lot and wants the thinnest, lightest, best quality computer and and doesn't need to run processor-heavy apps, the new Macbook is a great product. I love its design, new keyboard, and new haptic touchpad. For me it's not a practical choice because I need to connect to peripherals fairly often and I need something that can comfortably run Aperture and Final Cut. But just because this new Macbook isn't a perfect fit for me I don't go around ridiculing everyone who buys it.
  • Some people expect everything tailor made for them. When that doesn't come to fruition, they throw tantrums on forums.
  • But you can get an equivalent machine that does everything the Macbook does as well or better for a third the price. A chromebook is almost as powerful for $300 (hardware-wise) and if you need a fully-baked OS, there are plenty of Windows options for as little as $500 that will serve you just fine. The Surface Pro 3 is an excellent machine for half the price and the touch screen gives you more flexibility when you're traveling. I ridicule people who pay $1300 for a netbook because it has an Apple logo on it. There is nothing about the Macbook that justifies its price. This coming from someone with a previous generation Macbook Pro, also overpriced. And let's be clear: money isn't an object for me. I love gadgets and have plenty of them. But I wouldn't buy a Macbook or Apple watch for the same reason I wouldn't buy a gold-plated iPhone. The price simply isn't justified for what I get. So, if you have more money than sense, then by all means: Buy them both. I can get two Android Wear watches, a laptop, chromebook, and tablet for the same price and I'd rather have all of those.
  • Based on your comments, Apple products are not designed for you. You're the type of customer who makes purchase decisions by reading a list of specs (assuming that "more" equals "better") and then comparing prices, without considering other factors like usability, reliability, ease of use, and resale value. A Mac can provide a better user experience than a PC with more disk space, more RAM, and a faster processor. To you this will seem ridiculous because you've never experienced the difference first hand. You could argue that a Chevy gives you a similar set of features as a BMW for a small fraction of the price, but that would be missing the point. The Chevy may very well be the smarter choice for many people (affordability being an important factor) but that doesn't mean the BMW is an overpriced waste of money. I would gladly pay double for any device running OS X over Windows or anything from Google. Apple's software, ecosystem, security, and respect for users' privacy pretty much rule out any competing operating systems for me. Software and ecosystems aside, Apple products are like little works of art. Every time you interact with the product you get the sense that a lot of effort went into its design - from the quality of materials to the fit and finish. These things may not be important to you but they are to me and a great many others. As far as smart watches go, stop thinking about the gold Apple Watch (which is a specialty product aimed at an entirely different market) and focus instead on the rest of the product line. The aluminum model starts at $349 which compares very favorably to the price of a Motorola 360 (~$230-300 on Amazon).. When it comes to laptops, Apple's trackpads are light years beyond anything from the world of Microsoft or Google. I haven't used a mouse in years and every time I'm forced to use one, or a Windows laptop's touch pad, I find it to be a terrible experience.
  • The "not for you" and "specs don't matter" responses are predictable and sad. They're actually tropes at this point. My iPad Air 2 runs infinitely better than my iPad Air ever did and that's thanks to the 2gb of RAM that Apple finally upgraded to. Before that, Safari tabs would refresh every time you switched back to them. Apple is about the overall user experience, but they also get it wrong. You're basically saying "it's okay if I get subpar hardware for $1299 because it's Apple". And you're not alone in thinking that and that's really sad. A Core M processor is a Core M processor and a 480p webcam is still a 480p webcam, no matter what fruit is pictured on the lid. Mac OSX might run okay, but it still can't do heavy tasks and you're still paying $1300 for a netbook...with a potato for a webcam. Personally, I want more for my money. And I kind of feel bad for you for not. An Apple logo doesn't automatically make subpar hardware better. And "thin and light" doesn't justify the price either. So, no, specs aren't everything. But they are something. If you want to pay over a grand for a Mac with the power of a netbook, that's on you. But don't try to act like it's somehow different because it has an Apple logo. Your third to last paragraph is just borderline cultish. Seriously? It's an OS. It's not any more elegant that Windows 8 except in your imagination. I'm a technician. I have to fix these things all the time. They break just as often and have just as many issues as the PCs. They just cost a lot more. Oh, and that "premium" aluminum chassis scratches and dents after a little travel to the point that it looks much worse than any plastic PC.
  • If you dislike Apple, their products, and their admirers so much then why do you invest so much effort in trolling sites like this? Wouldn't you feel more at home on Thurrott's site?
  • You must have missed the post where I stated that I have an iPad Air 2, iPhone 6 Plus and have owned all previous models of both. I also have a MacBook Pro Retina, as well as a previous generation MacBook pro, just sold my MacBook Air, and have a Cinema display (hooked up to my PC). I never said I hate them. I said they aren't perfect and that they're getting away with pricing and compromises that they shouldn't be. People are giving them a pass on charging a premium for some products that simply don't justify it. I wasn't trolling at all. I made a rational post and fanatics dog-piled on, as usual. Read my original post and tell me I was here to troll.
  • What made you choose your iPad, iPhone, MacBook Pro, and Cinema Display over competing products that offered ostensibly better "specs" for less money? If the new Macbook doesn't meet your particular needs and wants, why does that automatically make it a poor, overpriced product? Does it frustrate you that Apple is unwilling to tailor their entire product line to suit your demands?
  • I'm a tech, so I have to be an expert at both Mac and PC to troubleshoot issues with my users. That's why I have Mac computers. The Cinema Display was the only game in town as far as a glossy, high-resolution display for my gaming PC, so that was a default choice. I have always had an iPhone and iPad. I do, to this day, still feel that the iPad is the best tablet and the iPhone is a great device overall, but not the best for my needs at this point in time. I have five smartphones, and my daily driver is usually Android due to a few apps which inexplicably have no equivalents on iOS. Apple doesn't need to cater to me. I will always buy what suits my needs best. What frustrates me is when they release a product with so much promise and then sour it with a cost-cutting measure (like a 480p camera or mobile processor) and then people still eat it up and Apple does it again the next time. We didn't get a bigger iPhone until other OEMs pushed the envelope for so long that Apple had no choice but to answer and you have to admit that people were asking for a larger iPhone long before Apple conceded. Their products are nice and the support is great, but they get a little TOO much credit sometimes.
  • "What frustrates me is when they release a product with so much promise and then sour it with a cost-cutting measure" New Macbook
    Objective: Ultimate portability (thin, light, all day battery life) Higher res camera probably wouldn't have fit in the new thin design, and most people seldom use it anyway. 480 was "good enough". Desktop grade processor would have killed both the all day battery life as well as the thin, fanless design. This is what Apple does. They set their sights on an ambitious goal and then fearlessly strip anything that stands in the way of that goal. This is what sets them apart from their competitors. Your MacBook Pro meets your needs (mine as well). Technology has not yet reached the point where we can have the Macbook Pro's power and versatility with the size, weight, and battery life of the new Macbook or a Macbook Air. Once it does, I will be first in line to buy one.
  • I fully agree with your statement. But I still don't think the price is justified and that was my main point. Same goes for the Apple watch: It's not that it's not a nice product, but it's not "almost double the price of the competitors" nice. The Macbook should have been $1000 max ($700 if they wanted to be competitive). It's definitely a more premium (and powerful) product than a Chromebook, but not worth $1300. The nicest thing about it is the screen.
  • New tech/designs always come at a premium price. My first iPod cost about $300. Today I could buy a Nano for $149, but I was not willing to wait several years to save a little money. The utility I got from it at the time was worth the added cost for me. The price of the new Macbook shouldn't matter to you anyway since you've already pointed out it's specs don't meet your needs. A Chromebook is not a real computer. It's a glorified web browser tied to Google services. You should factor in the value of all the personal info you give Google into its purchase price, not to mention the half-assed quality and capabilities of Google Apps. I don't consider the Apple Watch even remotely overpriced. $350 is perfectly reasonably for a product so clearly superior to anything on the Android side costing almost as much.
  • Upton Sinclair so rightly put it: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.”
    Isn't this the answer to why so many haters of Apple write what they do? I think so.
  • Wow.. I'm going to have a t-shirt made with that on it. It fits so many things, not just Apple and Anti-Apple fans. lol In-fact, I think these days, it fits most 'blog' and supposed journalistic mentality in general.. Don't get me wrong, their are some good journalists and bloggers.. but you REALLY need to look hard to find them.
  • For anyone who wants to keep up with what the cult of Apple haters is doing, go to the best (and funniest): The Macalope @ www.macalope.com
  • There is a Church of Apple, and Rene is the Preacher. And the public then lumps all Apple users with the zealots (like Rene), and you get the criticism. It's not complicated, you know.
  • Great article. The Apple haters are by far the real "religion" because they bother to go out of their way to try to "wake up" all the supposedly brainwashed Apple lovers. That's what religion strives for, to convince you that you are wrong and must open your eyes based on faith, to ignore quantifiable reality (customer satisfaction rates, technical reviews, technical benchmarks, sales figures, everything).
    If you don't like Apple, don't buy their stuff. The only explanation for coming to Apple centric sites just to complain about Apple is that you're a zealot on some sort of crusade. Otherwise, why you wasting your time here?? (same goes for Android or Samsung haters who spend time trolling Android centric sites by the way).
  • Your case is wrong because you miss perhaps the most important psychological component to the "Apple is doomed" stories and Apple critics -- it is not jealousy, it is not religion, it is that wonderful German word, schadenfreude. People wrote Apple is doomed stories in the 90s, when Apple was failing, and today, when Apple is wildly, historically, unprecedentedly successful. Success and jealousy are therefore marginal factors at best. The real reason is not Apple's bottom line, it is their above-board attitude, or, more specifically, people's reaction to it. Apple is opinionated to the point of arrogance. Always has been, likely always will be. They do what they think is best for them, and care very little if it offends people or angers segments of their customer base. The success of that attitude or even Apple's decade-long track record in backing it up is almost irrelevant to people's response. When somebody or some thing lets you know they think they are better than you, an almost universal human response is a desire to see that attitude taken down a peg or two. People do not think Apple is going out of business -- they *want to think* that attitude will get wiped off Cupertino faces. It may be a base, petty reaction, but we all have it, we all respond to it, and there will always be readers who hunger to read about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude
  • "Apple is opinionated to the point of arrogance. Always has been, likely always will be. They do what they think is best for them" No, they do what they think is best for their customers, which pisses off competitors and people who aren't really their customers. The problem with your observation is that schadenfreude does not apply in this case since Apple hasn't suffered any real misfortunes from which you may derive pleasure. Perhaps we need a word for "delusions of schadenfreude", "aspirational schadenfreude".
  • Errr, no. 1) Apple does what is best for Apple. Even Rene and Gruber have said as much on multiple occasions. Usually, Apple's wants dovetail with customer wants, which is why we buy their stuff and visit places like this, but, when they don't, they go their own way. There is simply no way, for example, that Apple thought FCPX was better for top-end video/film editors at launch, or Apple Maps was a drop-in replacement for Google Maps. But they did it anyways, because they had larger corporate goals that they felt outweighed the pain their customers would feel. 2) Shadenfreude does not depend on something already happening, nor does it depend on somebody's arbitrary definition of "real" misfortune. It is simply the pleasure somebody takes in somebody else's problems, whatever they are, large or small.
  • Watching for the trolls to begin.. this is no doubt a troll magnet. LOL You might as well as put a big red bullseye on your forehead .... That said, you're probably right.. Reality rarely reflects the extreme sensationalist reports we see, other than it's primary goal is click threw for ads..
  • "Apple zealots are one thing, but Apple doomsayers might be worse." Zealots and doomsayers are both extremists and not particularly rational. I pretty much ignore them both.
  • Nothing wrong with pointing out facts. But why the need to point out the fact of Apple's success (and implied superiority) over and over again, in public? Why the need to constantly say "Apple is better?" Because it's an ego thing, and the ego is terminally insecure - it always has to reassert itself. In a way "Apple fans" should be thankful to non Apple products - without the losers there can be no winners.
  • "But why the need to point out the fact of Apple's success (and implied superiority) over and over again, in public? " It comes from years of enduring "beleaguered Apple" and "Apple is doomed" headlines.
  • (("Apple fans" should be thankful for Apple products)) Strong competition is always beneficial for consumers. Sent from the iMore App
  • Who cares what some butt-hurt iHaters think. They're just unhappy because their own lives are so miserable and they want everyone else to be miserable. If Apple is doomed then a whole lot of companies are doomed. That will be a lot of people losing their jobs and I don't see what's so great about hoping for that. All I know it will take a long time for Apple to go though their nearly $150 billion cash reserve because it's more than most companies' market cap. I think people who stand around hoping for Apple's doom have way too much time on their hands. They should turn to more constructive things.
  • Well, Mr. Moltz, I have to say, well said. I also thoroughly enjoyed a recent article on iMore about the demonstrable insanity of insisting everything always be MS Windows. I've been an Apple user since 1985, and by now I am convinced that being anti-Apple is at least a social phenomenon that is a, self perpetuating-kind of lifestyle option. In some circles it continues to be popular to be anti-Apple, just to be that, no rhyme or reason required. Personally, I hope Microsoft Windows never completely goes away because competition is necessary in our commercial reality for the success of those who have something better to offer, and to perpetuate that better product. But, I really do wish we could reduce the installation on desktops by about 70 or 80%, globally. I have no problem with Apple's success in the mobile computing marketplace, where I do have a problem with Apple is in their continually low share of the desktop marketplace.
  • Cheers John, good piece! ;¬)
  • I suppose Microsoft get more proclamations of doom than Apple. Some are even actively trying to make it happen. You know how every other headline says Windows phone is dead? In fact, I think Windows phone is the product that has refused to die. You know how every tech blogger has to write about the dying throes of Microsoft as a whole?
  • If you make a point to discredit an argument, what does that say about you when you try to apply that argument elsewhere?
  • The Walt Disney Company is also similarly loved and vilified. With enthusiasts and haters galore. Interesting how two very creative companies that aim to make joy AND money are both loved and hated in almost the same way. For Apple (and as an Apple enthusiast and former employee), it almost seems like people were happier when the company was failing and almost broke (at least the haters were happier - the enthusiasts were just depressed). It's a clinical psychology really - folks tend to favor underdogs and want to take down the victors. Now that Apple is the most profitable company in the tech world, or is that the whole world, haters gonna hate a little bit more I guess. For us enthusiasts, it's better to just enjoy the products and be happy than to engage in time wasting discussions. Fact is, Apple is here to stay, for quite a while, unlike the old days, and we really don't have to have that conversation any more - unless we choose to.