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Giving up on Google

To organize it, Google first has to collect it, and to organize all of it, it has to collect you. All of you. If that's a concern, and it's leading to your having second thoughts about your involvement with Google, then switching to iPhone can be of tremendous benefit to you. With the iPhone, you can use the best of Google services if you want to, but you can also easily live Google-free. And if you're not yet sure, the iPhone lets you keep all your options open.

Everything has a price. With Apple, you typically pay them money, and they sell you premium products and services in return. That type of cost and relationship is easy to understand.

With Google, you typically pay them attention and data, and they give you free or cheap products and services in return. That cost and relationship is harder to understand.

At least I only started really understanding it after the Google IO keynote:

The optimist in me sees this as Google trying to make the world a better place by giving back. Thanks to the revenue they accrue from showing ads, they can afford to create novel new infrastructures, enable low-cost technologies, and otherwise fund the future.It's the Star Trek machine. It's Memory Alpha. And all these great services are the bits upon which it's built.The pessimist in me sees this as Google creating ever-more channels for data acquisition. By getting emerging markets and children onto the company's services in a way that looks altruistic. Instead of people getting angry when Google advertises to parents in an attempt to get their children's data, they put their services in schools and parents thank them for taking their children's data.It's a beast of unprecedented, unimaginable size. And all this cool technology is the sedative we're given to feed it.

I'm not the only one thinking or re-thinking about Google and its reach these days. Marco Arment:

I didn't set out to aggressively quit Google-everything, but once I changed my browsers' default search engine to DuckDuckGo, that has mostly happened. The most surprising part was how easy it was for Google to mostly fall out of my life, how quickly it happened, and how little I missed it.

Marco didn't believe the benefits of Google services outweighed the flaws for him, so he moved to other services. In some cases, free services like DuckDuckGo, in others paid services like FastMail and MailRoute.

John Gruber shared similar thoughts on Daring Fireball:

I don't use Gmail, DuckDuckGo is my default web search, and the only time I've used Google Maps instead of Apple Maps in the last year is when I need transit directions in New York — and that might be changing soon.

iMore and all of Mobile Nations works on Google Accounts, so I can't avoid Google regardless of any personal concerns or feelings. I long ago moved my personal stuff from Google to iCloud, however, and I haven't had any problems or regrets since.

More importantly, I consider it a huge advantage that I, as an iPhone owner, can choose whether I want to use Google services or not. And I can choose on a service-by-service basis. (I can even choose the best of Microsoft if that's what I prefer.)

Moreover, no matter what I choose, I get a phenomenally good experience. I can use as few or as many of Apple, Google, or Microsoft's services as I want, and I can change the mix any time I want.

Regardless of what you think of the relative value of money compared to data, that level of choice is invaluable. And it's only one of the many great reasons to switch to iPhone.

Rene Ritchie

Rene Ritchie is one of the most respected Apple analysts in the business, reaching a combined audience of over 40 million readers a month. His YouTube channel, Vector, has over 90 thousand subscribers and 14 million views and his podcasts, including Debug, have been downloaded over 20 million times. He also regularly co-hosts MacBreak Weekly for the TWiT network and co-hosted CES Live! and Talk Mobile. Based in Montreal, Rene is a former director of product marketing, web developer, and graphic designer. He's authored several books and appeared on numerous television and radio segments to discuss Apple and the technology industry. When not working, he likes to cook, grapple, and spend time with his friends and family.

  • Another satisfied DuckDuckGo user!
  • Seeing the way things have been going, and the fact that I have already had concerns for some time about using Google services, if I ever moved away from BlackBerry a second time it will likely not be back to Android. Despite things that I feel are shortcomings with the iPhone, it's looking more tempting just to avoid Google. Posted from my Q10 via the power of "Q"
  • I’m no expert, but when you ask people to some up,
    Google, “they Track and keep everything “
    Apple, “way too expensive “
    Microsoft, “yeah I use windows at work”
  • What we are to these companies; Google - Product to be sold
    Apple - Resource to be mined/milked
    Microsoft - Both
  • You're missing the key difference between Apple and the other two: Apple goes out of their way to make products that delight their users, so those users will happily pay for said products. Google and Microsoft always put their true customers first (advertisers and enterprise) and then work on gimmicks designed to limit regular users from leaving.
  • Assuming I even agreed with you, they are one and the same thing. They go out of their way to delight advertisers and enterprise.
  • I have never heard of the search engine, DuckDuckGo. I'll have to try it out.
  • Been using it for a while.. It's a fine, simple search engine w/no strings. I too have dropped much of Google these days. Every now and again I find I need to fall back to google for search because DDG just doesn't fine what I'm looking for.. Thats becoming more rare though as DDG gets better.
  • Critical omission is that Marco's post was in part inspired by his podcast sponsor. I feel that taints the whole piece regardless of it's merits.
  • You didn't read his article in it's entirety did you? He was a user well before they were a sponsor, and he clearly stated he'd continue to use them even if they no longer had the sponsor relationship.
  • No I read the Marcos post. It's just disingenuous for a post to discuss how we need to keep our data off of google. That they aren't a pure experience. Then end up five steps in leading to a sponsor referal. Even if you REALLY love the sponsor it's inappropriate. Plus imore stripped the sponsor annotation in their repost.
  • If you read the article it stated that you should choose what you want to use, and informing you that Google just wants to organize all the worlds data, which means collecting all of it first. Rene was just saying he switched to using iCloud for all his personal information, but still has to use Google for work. He never once said anyone needs to avoid using Google products or services, just that as a personal choice he himself isn't using it. Sent from the iMore App
  • He doesn’t have to use Google for work. He wants to, or at best doesn’t mind. If he felt that strongly he wouldn’t.
  • If you want to discontinue being the hypocrite you've become, you need to ditch all your electronics for a start. That will get you about 50% there, then you'll need to quit depending on any outside services (food, utilities, etc.). You have no choices, you only think you do.
  • So you're saying Google is The Borg and resistance is futile?
  • "Watch your future's end!!"
  • Really?? So it's all or nothing and now you are making Google and what they do equivalent to food and utilities people had before the internet even existed?? WOW... join Google or die! Google the Overmind. LOL
  • Shocking, the more pro Apple bloggers are the ones spreading more FUD against Google and, at the same time, not using its services while bashing them Yap, the same Gruber that call others pundits when they bash something they don't use.
  • I don't have to eat glass to tell you I don't like it.
  • Tell that to Gruber, he is the one criticizing people bashing something they don't use.
  • Gruber and Ritchie aren't criticizing every aspect of Google services (which would require using the product first). They are criticizing specific aspects of those products, namely the ominous business model and glaring examples of poor design.
  • I'm not talking about Rene, I'm talking about Marco and Gruber.- And apart that I don't know what is ominous, Gruber critizises every minimal aspect of Google
  • I've yet to read a Gruber criticism of Google that I didn't agree with.
  • I'm surprised and shocked /s
  • If you disagree, perhaps you could cite an example.
  • The sad thing about all these guys is their hate for Google is blinding them from all the shit Facebook is doing to the open web.
  • I think all of this fear has yet to be validated in any way. There have been no major consequences involved for people who choose to use Google's services. I have used Google for years and there have been no really horrible data breaches. The worst thing I have witnessed is targeted advertising after having googled something, but then I would rather see that than some lame random ad. People also seem to forget that Apple has almost the same amount of info about its users as Google does. They just choose not to use it in the same manner. People also need to realize that Siri will never truly be as helpful of an assistant unless Apple starts letting her access your info. And before anyone starts yelling "android fanboy ", for the past two years I have been an iPhone user. I made the jump to Apple out of the curiosity to try a new OS and the fact that android plus the hardware at the time just wasn't stable enough for me. I still miss how Google now was so predictive and wish that Siri could do more than just predict the approximate time of travel between work and home. Every year the decision of whether or not to switch OSs comes down to who I think is doing the better job stability wise and hardware wise. Right now that is still Apple for me. However, if I am not wowed by what is announced at WWDC, then there will be some hard thinking going on as Google had some pretty interesting stuff coming out of it's I/O conference this year.
  • It'll be hard not to wow at WWDC 15 given how boring I/O was. The only good thing at I/O was Google on Tap, that's a very cool feature, but everything else in Android M is literally catch-up to iOS. Google Photos looks just like the Photos app for Mac except with free storage and a creepy crawler to find all your photos in your computer to upload automatically.
  • Like Android PAY? huh
  • Google wallet was out way before Apple pay. They all steal from each other. Neither OS would be what it is today if they didn't steal from one another.
  • Google wallet was and is a total flop and irrelevant. Google didn't invent contactless payment and neither did Apple, these are ideas people have had for a long time. What matters is how they are implemented and how they work. That's why soon you'll have "Android Pay" which will work like Apple Pay. If not for Apple Pay, Google Wallet would continue to be the irrelevant product almost no one uses. But yeah, all companies borrow ideas from each other, it's the nature of competition. Apple's WWDC's were adding features from Android for a few years in the past, but since the last Google IO and now this one, it's obvious they've switched roles. 5 out of the 6 headlining features of M have already been in iOS, some for years. They take turns leapfrogging, that's it.
  • Google sells your information to advertisers. You are then impacted by the targeted advertising that you get. That may not be your definition of major consequences and that's fine. However, others feel that this overall business model is rather creepy. I'm not judging what's right or wrong, rather, I'm trying to help you understand that there are legitimate positions on both sides of this debate.
  • What information does Google sell to advertisers? It feels like most people who have an opinion on this have no idea how it works. Google collects data, and knows I am searching for a chainsaw. A company that makes chainsaws pays for ad placement from Google. Google uses the information they gather from me to show me an ad for a chainsaw — something I am likely to buy. If Google sold the information to the company that makes chainsaws, why would that company ever need to pay Google for ads again? Keeping your data close and protected is how Google makes money from it.
  • It's funny, out of MS, Apple and Google, Google is the only one that doesn't give itself blanket permission to trade data with their strategic partners in their privacy policy. Google keeps all of its data in house, while MS and Apple both regularly trade data with services such as Yahoo, etc. It doesn't seem hard to see who protects your information better: the one that says they won't sell it, and then doesn't - or the two who say they will sell it, and then do exactly that.
  • Hi Jerry..... I am surprised that you make this point.....This is exactly how an average consumer thinks of google but lets be very clear......Its not the ad placement that everyone is worried about.......Its the cumulative data collection.......over a few years google starts statistically cumulating your data to know your habits, your schedule, your thoughts, etc.......then they use fitting algorithms to predict what you will I/O this is what the the neural networks will help with!........The optimistic view is that well these things will help you as you get more closely entangled with technology but just like you don't put all your money in one don't share all your data with one provider(google wants that and people are resisting that)......A short history of the internet tells us that this has never been a good choice and so people are more inclined towards thinking that google using all this model data about you is also not a good choice.....and they are right in having that opinion
  • I only responded to the statement that Google sells your data. I'll leave the discussion about evil companies that only want your money (hint — all of them) to everyone else.
  • I'm aware of Google's privacy claims. They claim to only sell aggregated data. Yes, they do sell advertising space of groups of people that meet specific criteria, etc. However, if you do a search (probably not on Google) of Google's privacy issues, you'll see that Google in fact shares specific information of specific people... As a quick example, if you buy an app on Google Play, the developer gets your personal information, etc. Issues like this have been documented. Finally, given Google's business model which is wholly dependent on your personal information, it's a bit naive to think Google doesn't benefit from your personal data. You've got to love the data mining that Google is doing with their new photos app as well.
  • They do NOT claim to sell aggregated data. They don't sell data at all. If you read Google's, Microsoft's and Apple's privacy policies, two of them give themselves blanket permission to share your data and one of them does not. Google is the one who does not.
  • When I bought FCPX on the Mac app store, the developer got my personal information and my credit card number. Same thing happened when I ordered a large with pepperoni from Papa John's late last Thursday from the hotel I was staying in. I feel that letting either company know my name, my email address, my telephone number, my exact location, and my financial data was worth the service provided. If you wish to continue this, please show an example of Google selling any of your personal and private data to an advertiser, as you claimed above. Baseless bickering back and forth without any valid proof serves no purpose, and wastes both of our valuable time.
  • In my experience Google Apps are far more "premium" than anything apple has to offer. Apples have a shiny exterior but underneath the surface have many flaws. Their hardware is tops compared to google but that isn't Googles focus. I tried iCloud on more than one occasion, it is so buggy and not user friendly. Sent from the iMore App
  • Google makes hardware, other than Glass?
  • I actually found myself moving back to Microsoft's applications once they proved their intent to fully support iOS and Android. I will use Apple hardware but I worry about being locked into one specific platform.
  • I use a few microsoft apps on iOS for work purposes only. They are OK, but they seem overly complex for their own good.
  • I won't use any service that is locked into a particular platform. I want to be able to use them no matter what device fits my needs at a particular time.
  • I take issue with the way some people throw around the term "lock in". An example of how lock in can be bad is investing in a platform only to later discover that you can't switch to a competing service because all your data is locked up in a proprietary format. Facebook is a great example of this, since they are walled off from the rest of the world, sucking in content but not allowing it to be searched or accessed from outside. However it's ridiculous when "lock in" is used to describe Apple, since their lock in consists of making great products and services that work so well and so seamlessly together, users don't want to leave. That's a positive, not a negative.
  • I pay for Google Apps. The upshot is, I get left behind when cool new products are launched (Inbox, for one). New features are never available for the paid accounts on launch.
  • And that's exactly why using Apple hardware is the best deal, because you can use all of Google's services AND have the best hardware with that. It's a win win.
  • I would agree mostly with this except for one exception- iMessage. iMessage is light years ahead of anything Google has in terms of messaging and is frankly one of the reasons I stay with IOS. Sent from the iMore App
  • But only works with iOS. I wouldn't count that as light years. It isn't/can't be used by the vast majority of users. BBM, Whatsapp, and others provide great services cross platform for more people than have just iPhones. And I can't count the number of times messages have gone missing due to iMessage connection problems. Nothing premium there. Ask my wife how "premium" she thinks her phone is right now. The iPhone is no different than any other. Full of problems for lots of people. Some will miraculously have none and that's fine. But my wife has had nothing but issues with her iPhones. Updates always seem to make them worse and never better. Making a phone our of nice materials and paying all that supposed "attention to detail" that no one else apparently does(because they don't all design phones like Apple, oh wait they'll just get sued and every Apple blogger will go on and on about their similarities were copied from Apple and their differences are lack of quality design. *cough*Rene*cough*), means nothing when the phone doesn't work worth a crap. Posted via the iMore App for Android
  • Try all of Apple's iWork apps and tell me that Googles apps are more polished. They don't come close. Sent from the iMore App
  • Great post Rene! I think an interesting follow up post to this would be a list of all the major Google services and all the viable alternatives to them. Sent from the iMore App
  • Damn straight. DuckDuckGo takes care of probably 80% of what I need to search for. I still blend in some Google services, but no way in hell are they owning me.
  • I only use a Gmail account, but Google's actions have pissed me off recently. Shutting down Google Reader? Really? And buying Sparrow, probably the best email client for the Mac and iOS and shutting it down? Seriously?
  • What happens when Apple creates the rumored Goog Now clone for iOS 9? Methinks that will be coming from iCloud data. Sent from the iMore App
  • It will be the best thing since sliced bread, and apple doing the same thing they like to bash google for will be perfectly fine.
  • Um no, that's a false equivalency because Apple would use that data only to run the service, not to sell targeted ads to advertisers. In other words, Apple using iCloud data to run "Apple Now" still doesn't turn you into a product, you are still the customer. It's no different than when you say "ok" to the "let us collect information from this app only to improve it". Don't confuse the two scenarios, they are not the same.
  • Apple does use its iCloud data for advertising. The difference is that instead of making it granular like Google, they will tell advertisers that they have X amount of users that like Y. Apple anonymises you by lumping all accessible advertiser data into large chunks of generalized data.
  • Just curious, where is your evidence that Apple provides any of your data to advertisers?
    Apple collects aggregated and "anonymized" data for the sole purpose of improving their services. Their privacy policies make it clear that they do not share your data with advertisers.
  • Reread that privacy policy. It makes it clear that they DO share your data with their strategic partners.
  • Yet you fail to think about iAds which is pretty much exactly what Google does, yet is ok when Apple does it..
  • Theres a difference between letting your dog or a wolf guard your henhouse.
  • And that still won't be anything at all like what Google does because using iCloud data to run "Apple Now" is simply using data in order to run internal services, not selling targeted ads to third parties which is how Google monetizes it's users as products (not saying that's evil, just stating facts). Using iCloud data to run Apple Now would be the same thing as when you allow data collection on an app to help the developers improve that app.
    Don't confuse the two scenarios, not at all the same.
  • I'm thinking that you have a very, very skewed vision of how Google actually uses all of the data that they collect.
    Contrary to the FUD being spread, Google does *not* sell you, your identity, or anything of the sort. They sell advertising slots to companies based on what they know about their user base as a whole, which is then served to you based on your interests/history. At no time, whatsoever, does Google sell its users or (and let's be 1000000% clear on this point) *any* of its data to any other company.
    Apple does the exact same thing with iAds. They collect search history data from Spotlight and Maps, sales data from the Store, and whatever information is provided from third-party app developers and "advertising partners", and then sells advertising blocks to companies, which provide ads that it serves to you based on interest. The biggest difference is that Google has more services that people actually use through which to collect their data, so they are much better at making intelligent guesses as to what your interests are, making their advertising more valuable. When you are shown an ad, the advertiser still doesn't know who you are, as Google obfuscates that data in its analytical metrics.
  • Yeah, but even if they both do the same thing, Apple is Apple and Google is Google, so OBVIOUSLY Apple is better. DUH!!1!!1!!! I mean, Apple--need we say more? Apple is Apple.
  • Two things....
    1. I wouldn't have a problem with it if it was an "opt in" option and not a requirement to use the overall service like Google Now does.
    2. Even if Apple did collect my data, their privacy policies are far different from Googles and I would know that my data is not being sold to the highest bidder.
  • 1. Google Now requires data collection because the only way to predict what data you will need and when you will need it is by knowing what data is important to you and understanding your current or future context. That is they only was a successful predictive information service will ever work. And while Google's data collection is mostly opt-out, Google is constantly making it as simple as possible to view, understand, control, and remove any data that they collect. Apple, not so much. You either agree to their collection policy, or you don't use their products. There is no middle ground.
    2. Apple does collect your data. Their privacy policy explicitly states that they collect your Maps, Store, Siri, and Spotlight search data, along with purchase data and data from third parties and "advertising partners" to provide targeted ads via their iAd service. Also, similar to Apple, Google does not now, nor will they ever, sell any user data to anyone at any time. The only reason they can charge what they do for targeted advertising is because they have such a large volume of data to backup their claims of how far their reach is. But the data itself, *especially* the personal data, is kept under extremely strict control, because the instant they sell their data, they completely gut any market advantages they have. Your personal data is used purely internally to complement and implement new products and services for your benefit.
  • 1. LOL! Try using Google Now without giving it explicit access to all of your information. It doesn't work. It's basically an all or nothing scenario.
    2. The fact is, you really don't know what Google is doing with your data. We've all seen public policies from both companies, but do a little search on Google and privacy issues and you may be surprised to see the types of things that Google does share. Like for example, when you by an app on Google play, do you know Google sends your specific personal information to the developer of that product? You can attempt to compare Google to Apple all you want, but in practice, Apple has demonstrated much better control of personal data than Google has. In fact, Apple had to build their own Maps application because they wouldn't share personal data with Google. I respect that and appreciate that. Finally, at the end of the day, you have to ask yourself how each company makes their money. With Apple, I am their customer. With Google, I am their product. They can claim whatever they want on their privacy policy pages, but their fundamental business model makes it clear how they operate. I have no issue with that by the way, I just think those putting too much trust in Google are a bit naive.
  • Key difference is that Apple will protect that data in accordance with their business model that places a high value on privacy. With Google, you never know what companies and organizations are going to get access to your data and aggregate it in potentially very intrusive and invasive ways.
  • Yeah because how many security breaches has Apple had in the past year alone?
  • Name a couple.
  • Lets see the iCloud hack, and here is a simple google search for you...
  • Oh good grief! We get it, you don't like Google's business model. I don't know if it's FUD as a means of clickbait or simply an unhealthy fascination. Maybe it's just being stuck in the Apple vs Google wars of the past that even Apple has largely moved on from, but article after article portraying Google as a company to be feared or escaped from is getting old. This site is to Google what Fox News is to Left. You try to be fair and balanced, but the disdain and loathing seeps from the pores, and it is permeating the staff now. Android Central would never run pieces on how Apple rakes in billions over billions that it seems it could never spend, yet continues to charge premium prices for products and services. That's cool, its a business, but how about taking some of those billions and developing low cost/no cost products and services for poor or developing regions. I mean it would really be easy to go in on Apple in many ways, but they just don't do it. I find that to be a much more tangible existing "evil" yet we get article after article of Google potential for nefarious deeds. Of all the paradigm breaking things Google does that almost always favor the common user over the corporation, regardless of motive, while Apple best resemble the giant trust corporations of early 20th century, doing whatever it takes to block out competition and lock in its users. Even if it means aligning itself with corporations to screw over the consumer(books, streaming music) in favor of its bottom line, yet it is Google we should fear? I found it funny how you and Gruber quickly glossed over rumours of Apply beginning to mine your data to provide you better services in the podcast. That would be an interesting twist now wouldn't it be? Would kind of turn this whole narrative on its ear.
  • Yeah it comes across as insecurity
  • It is funny because he mentioned ever single time "Mobile Nations uses Google Services so I don't really have a choice." Yeah because Mobile Nations knows what is best. If Apple had services that accommodated everyone so well they would probably use that, but they don't.
  • Apple fans have always been a bit smug about their products. It's how Apple gets away with charging $600 for a watch that will be obsolete in 6 mos.
  • This is why I'm a Pebble Steel user. Works on my BlackBerry, great on Android, and if I ever go Apple, it will work there too. Posted via the iMore App for Android on a BlackBerry.
  • The Watch is $350-$400. You are adding additional cost for the sapphire crystal (or fancy optional band) which the competition doesn't have so you are unfairly (on purpose) inflating the price to make your weak point. If the Moto360 2 has a sapphire crystal, it'll cost $500+.
  • You can get an apple watch for $350. Lg watch urban $350. As people make better watches the prices will be about the same. Don't get caught up in thinking the old cheap android watches are gonna be the same prices moving along. When companies put a afford into the watches they make the prices will reflect.
  • totally agree...I used to listen to the Imore show but gave on that...Rene's states something about Google and trails off before finishing any thought (just like the fem-bot Fox News Hosts!!!), and then they spend 20 minutes talking about watch bands. It was nice when Serenity came on as she had some new perspectives, except even she started to sound bored last I listened. Everyone is over the who came first thing except Imore who will still start a joke "google wallet is of course copying Apple..." and then trail off before just finishing. (did't Android Pay come before Apple Pay? and who knows what before..Softcard...etc...)...but they just got their ZING in with out finishing the thought... Rene,
    there's away to properly express yourself and come off as having fun and not just whining and hating. Life's to short.
  • Why do ppl continuously come to the comments to bitch about articles? If I didn't like the article someone wrote I would pass by it, not read articles from a specific person or not go to the site.
  • Probably because they're completely BLOWN away by the insanity of this one! Good grief is right, I can't even believe my eyes while reading this article. Everything Renee just wrote here is skewed, full of white lies and misleading information to somehow favor one company over the other... I've loved Mobile Nations since 2007/2008, beginning with Crackberry, but this is embarrassing as hell. Dieter Bohn (and now Crackbery Kevin) would be absolutely ASHAMED of this type of fear-mongering and deceitful content! Sheesh!
  • From Marco Arments article: - Apple is always arrogant, controlling, and inflexible, and sometimes stingy.
    - Google is always creepy, entitled, and overreaching, and sometimes oblivious. So Apple represents the old white male dominated baby-boomer generation while Google represents the young angsty otaku millennials?
  • Apple represents the self-loathing, delusional greedy liberal who will say anything for your dollar.
  • Can narcissists even be self-loathing?
  • I suppose that you can both love and loathe your self at the same time. No emotions are really mutually exclusive.
  • I have been trying to de-Google myself for awhile. I don't use the Google search engine, I don't use Chrome, I have never used an Android phone or Tablet, but and its a big one. It is hard to switch email. I have had a Gmail account since early in the Beta days that required an invitation. Everyone knows my Gmail address and communicating that to the masses is at best difficult. I am slowly getting my email moved to my iCloud email. One other service that I use and have yet to find an adequate replacement is Google Voice. I have been a user of that since it was Grand Central. I was a beta user for them and I cringed when they sold to Google.
  • My problem is Chrome works great on Windows and I rely heavily on a couple of plugins that don't work so great on Firefox. If Apple hadn't abandoned Safari on Windows I would probably stick with Safari since that is what I use on my Macbook. Google's cross platform support is what makes their services so appealing that it sometimes makes it difficult to drop them
  • CVJ, I know what you mean about Chrome on Windows. I have pretty much given up on Windows other than I need it to run one application so I use a Parallels VM to run Win 8.1 and Visio. Don't get me wrong I use other MS Apps. I have Office 2011. As for Chrome that was the first thing to go in my life. You cannot tell me that Google gave us a free browser that isn't sending them everything. (I say the same thing about Android) I went to Safari full time, and have no regrets. I am sure that I will always have some form of the Borg in my life as they crawl the internet and I use the internet. But as they acquire companies that I use I will do my best to stop using those services.
  • Your so funny! Your giving Apple everything!
  • Yeah with Apple reportedly working on TV deals I find it hard to believe Apple isn't using viewing/usage data to help convince companies to jump on board.
  • All companies use user data internally guys, this isn't news. Google is different than Apple in that it uses that data externally as a product to make 90% of it's revenues. Why is this so hard for you guys to understand??
  • Yap, iAds is run by black magic, not by user data
  • "Yeah with Apple reportedly working on TV deals I find it hard to believe Apple isn't using viewing/usage data to help convince companies to jump on board." TV viewing data already is, and has always been, collected by the content providers. Unless you're getting your programming over a TV antenna, your viewing habits are being collected. That this continues when those programs are accessed via Apple TV is neither surprising nor cause for concern. If this were Google, though, then you'd have to worry about them sharing way more info about you to the content providers as well as sharing your viewing habits with others.
  • I would rather give it to Apple than Google. Apple doesn't own the search engine I use, I don't use Apple to store my Photos (To many nude selfies you know JK), They bill me for things via PayPal (Sure they probably have some agreement with each other), I like Safari but could switch to FireFox in a heartbeat, I use SMS instead of iMessage (The NSA gets that but now from my carrier), my cloud file storage choice has been Box for a very long time. I do use iCloud for email, they don't serve me up ads while I am on the website, but I do most of my email these days with a third party mail app on my iPhone or iPad. I am considering a paid for solution from Fastmail though. I also use iCloud to keep my contacts in sync. I think that's a great solution. I use MS Office 2011 for Word, Excel and PowerPoint (Though I think Keynote is better)
  • Personally I like Google's services and am ok with them collecting my data. Nothing is really free, after all.
  • True dat.
  • I agree. Maybe if Apple collected more data, things like Siri would work better. I have "Siriously" never had Siri work for me at all. Even just asking "her" to do something so simple, like call a local pizza place from my contacts. "She" can't do it. She can't even find it on the web. I ask google to do it, and it's no problem at all. If collecting my data is what makes this stuff work, then collect away!
  • Have you tried it more than once? That doesn't sound right at all. Maybe take it in to an Apple Store and see if they can help you. I have a 95% success rate with Siri. Do you have a thick accent by chance?
  • I've tried it MANY times. I've tried to use it over a dozen time to tell me what song was playing, with its Shazam integration. It has never given me a song title. I tried to get it to call a local pizza place, which is in my contacts. I said, slowly and clearly, "Call Mineo's Pizza House." It kept saying, "I can't fine mini owes in your contacts." Or "I can't find mini owes restaurant." Totally useless. No, I don't have a thick accent. :) I said the exact same thing to Google Now, and it instantly brought up a listing of Mineo's Pizza, with I link to call them with one touch. Perfect. For as long as Siri has been around, I would think it could scan my contacts and find "Mineo's," and not just keep searching for "mini owes."
  • To test out Google Now v. Siri, I asked both, "What's the most popular flavor of ice cream?" Every word out of my mouth was the same each time. Google Now gave me the answer (vanilla); Siri gave me a list of ice cream shops in my area. I even re-phrased the question in case Siri misunderstood me, but no dice. Apple has much work to do to improve Siri.
  • Yeah, the tin-foil hat crowd's paranoia about Google's data mining - or whatever they call it - has never really spawned the end of days scenario it's predicted for years now. Like the whole Y2K thing. Nothing but boy crying wolf. I don't get it, but I guess everybody needs a bogeyman.