Samsung doesn't copy Apple
Samsung doesn't copy Apple. Except for in-store iconography. And USB power adapters. And packaging. And dock connectors. And voice recording apps. And so on...
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Doesnt get much more blatant than that.
Sure it does. Didn't you see the presentation for iOS5???
Touche.
Every feature presented in iOS 5 existed in some form long before Android. The implication that Samsung invented a notification screen, or voice controls, or any of its other features, is laughable - except for innovators like Palm and Microsoft, who are the actual genesis of most of those innovations mentioned above.
You forgot RIM at the end there!
You also conveniently left out Nokia, Motorola, Sony, LG... All of which made phones long before Apple came along, all of which innovated and created things that Apple copied in the original iPhone and all of them since. The smartphone isn't the exclusive domain of Apple.
And to your point about all of those things predating Android... Nobody said they didn't. But Android did those things before iOS 5 didn't it? Haven't seen any attempt to make good on that from Apple have we?
Who cares when any of these phones started using these features? Neither android or apple invented them. So, yes, apple copied these in their iPhone 1 (which was before any android existed), but so has everyone else. As far as features go, every company is in the same boat paying out licensing fees. (unless its part of the batch that apple recently bought) As far as this article goes, it is talking about obvious aesthetic and design copies. It has nothing to do with software. That is a whole different set of rules and is comparing apples to oranges.
What is most blatant is Apple's entire i-Product naming system.
The iAudio CW100 was an mp3 player that came out a year before the ipod even did. Apple rips off the i-name and then has the gall to call iAudio copycats. That is Apple.
Actually, iMac came out before iAudio but I know what you mean, Apple steals a lot.
But "iPhone" was a registered name for InfoGear, which was bought by Linksys (now owned by Cisco). "On September 3, 1993, Infogear filed for the U.S. trademark "I PHONE" and on March 20, 1996 applied for the trademark "IPhone". "I Phone" was registered in March 1998, and "IPhone" was registered in 1999". So basically yes, Apple copied even the name, not to mention LG Prada's design.
WAW !
Come on Rene...we covered the store already. That wasn't them [see the other post].
I covered some of the others in my initial review of the Tab: http://johncblandii.com/2011/08/samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-welcome-home.html.
Pretty sad of them to go so far with it.
Makes you wonder why Samsung keeps doing it..
Same here cardfan. One or two is ok. As Apple zealots say "How many ways can you do notifications without copying?" I feel the same about a lot of these items but still...the voice recorder? Come on.
The chargers are pretty standard though they could have chosen a rounded rectangle. My Tab charger doesn't look just like the one above. It does have a different shape [slightly] but I was blown away by the 30 pin.
I draw the line at software though. TouchWiz [at least on my Tab and the S2 I played w/ momentarily] isn't iOS like aside from the icons at the bottom.
Either way...I'm with @Guest12345. We know what's happened and it gets old seeing it over and over about old stuff.
OMG the 30 pin connector as you say is called PDMI if you bothered to read you would find not only apple uses it and is also a standard released by CEA. BTW here is another copycat so you bark. http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=330-6547
I don't think Apple is the inventor. Samsung is in litigation over copying and they make numerous decisions mimicking Apple products.
I honestly could care less [matters not; is only a feather in the "mine is better" war] but I wish they hadn't done so w/ all of the current heat on them.
Apple started using their Dock Connector in 2003 with the 3rd gen iPod.
When was PDMI developed? The first work was in 2007... with the PDMI specification finalized in 2010
Hmmmmm.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDMI
Where does it say Samsung developed the PDMI connector? Samsung just used what was defined to be the "new" standard looking forward from micro usb that all use now. If you would care to read who developed it instead of blindly accusing.
I never said anything about Samsung creating the PDMI adapter.
Whoever created the PDMI connector was certainly inspired by Apple's 2003 Dock Connector.
It's a little uncanny, huh.
And BTW since master apple created the universe do you recognize the keyboard in the article? http://reviews.cnet.com/SonyVAIOX505series/4505-31217-30886049.html Welcome to reality "apple sticky keys" on a Sony Vaio X505 in 2004.....
I never mentioned laptop keyboards at all...
TouchWiz would definitely look a lot less like iOS on these sites also if every picture didn't show the App Drawer for TouchWiz vs the homescreen of iOS. I personally hate the look of TouchWiz though (Or any other OEM skin for that matter). Throw on a custom launcher and doesn't matter what the OEM puts on there.
Yeah, it is all about proving their point so they pick the worse possible picks to drive it home then posts like these propagate the images.
I haven't jumped into launchers yet. I dig Sense and TouchWiz [moving here soon I think].
@John C. Bland II:
You mean the pictures that Samsung uses in its own press materials?
Yep.
http://www.samsung.com/us/topic/our-galaxy-smartphones
http://images.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1440&bih=805&q=samsung+galaxy+s+ad&gbv=2&oq=samsung+galaxy+s+ad&aq=f&aqi=g1g-S9&aql=&gssm=e&gsupl=9158l12619l0l12979l21l17l0l6l6l0l223l1428l4.3.3l10l0
I'm not saying they've never shown the drawer [why wouldn't they?] but I haven't seen an overt push to expressly show the drawer as a top feature.
What i would like to know is are all those similarities from the same product or bits taken from different products....if its the same product ill agree Samsung maybe copying to much but if they are all from separate Samsung products then this is being over over exaggerated...
Mostly separate but even Apple isn't going after them for stepping on their IP. Apple is saying they're trying to "confuse consumers" through copying. So it isn't an IP thing just more of a "yours looks like mine, that's not fair" thing.
The only tab similarity was the USB, to be honest. The battery indicator and packaging were meh. I actually had to go get my iPhone and iPad packaging to compare them.
i could understand apple if all those similarities were from one product...but if the pdmi port is from one product and the charger from another etc then this has been looked into too much..also touch wiz 4 is less like ios...they got rid of the ugly coloured boxes that you sit behind the icons and only similarities is that the app drawer moves sideways like the ios home screen...everyone copies everyone,its always been like that but if someone copies apple then its blasphemy...sometimes theres just too much hypocrisy..and people like rene just love to over do it with these articles...i dont think anyone goes on about this whole copying thing then rene
Go BRAVES!!!
Go BRAVES!!!
Look at the marketing material on Samsung's website for Galaxy S II. The shadows and reflections on the phones are identical too. I am willing to bet that someone at Samsung got a good laugh out of trying to copy Apple's mojo. Still don't think Apple should have had their devices banned, however.
I like your hat.
i give you the in store icons but thats probably just a human error... charger seen square usb chargers before when you open what do you expect to see...htc moto,they do that too if there charging port is similar size to the ipads,what do you want them to make a wrong size port or just use more plastic when its not needed... i tell you what apple and samsung do have in common...they keep it streamlined and simple thats all...cant no one else make streamlined and simple product rene...you really must hate samsung cause they are actual making your special apple scared..what you dreaming about that apple are the only company left...bet you were dissapointed that apple could not trademark multi touch just so they could sue everyone then..did you also think it was alright for apple to alter images for the lawsuits...bet you thought that a rectangle with screen is not a standard requirement for a tablet and should be tradmarked...like apple products thats okay...but to live drink and apple is so bloody ___...you can fill in the rest yourself
You Sir are ignorant. Meaning that you just don't know. Not stupid. You just have no idea. I'm guessing that you're blindness is self imposed because you seem to be happy with it. If you paint a picture and I copy it and stretch it out to be a fraction of an inch longer and sale it as my own should you get money from that sale? It is your work right? Because according to you the fact that i made my copy of your painting longer means that you shouldn't get any money. Even though it is the same painting that you imagined in your mind and brought to life and into reality. I honestly wish that all these companies would agree to stop copying and stop the court proceedings. But this is BUSINESS. Samsung is a band of thieves!
OHH, dont worry, the two main features in iOS 5 were totally not from android OS. HAHAHAHA
That was a verbal b!tch slap to the face...
Oh, you mean kind of like how Apple coped the LG Prada with it's full screen capacitive touch screen and sliding column of apps? But hey, since Apple just made the icons look different, I guess they're not "copying" it. How about the glaring fact that the notification and OTA syncing is a feature that Android had first, but when Apple does it, they claim it;s "new and revolutionary"? Apple saying that other people are copying them is the pot calling the kettle black. They're not innocent as people think they are. IT'S OBVIOUS. If you deny this, you're more than ignorant - you're arbitrarily ignoring the truth.
Rene and the rest of the Kool-aid drinkers can act like petulant little children all they want to by posting these trite little comparisons, but when all is said and done, their OS5 features that they are fawning over, are no different than Android's bread-n-butter systems.
What's that? You think the box looks the same?
The new OS5 features are like Android's.
The connector looks the same?
The new OS5 features are like Android's.
The cable looks the same.. orly..
The new OS5 features are like Android's.
Nowadays, no one person can say they have the rights to any design.
How about the revolutionary Smart Cover by Apple? Add that to the "copy" mix.
http://johncblandii.com/2011/08/the-smart-cover-another-apple-non-innovation.html
I keep trying to bow out of this convo but I keep getting pulled back in!
lmbo. This can go on and on. Apple copies. [read that as "Apple copies...period"].
Everyone does it...we all just need to live with it and stop trying to live high and mighty like our dog in the fight is better because it has a new/better spike collar or someone else uses a spike collar just like ours. It happens.
Because the incase cover powers the device on and off?
I don't think so. Apple integrated it better.
... and 99.9% of all of the posters here, who constantly use the term "fanboy", and criticize arguing over phones, are those same people who scream and yell and fight over their sports teams just because they live in the same city or went to the same school. Of course, that's okay.
Hypocrites.
Such in the danger of blind faith in wordly things.
EXACTLY! Except for EVERYTHING! How long did they really expect to be partners in any kind of business ventures when they clone everything that they see Apple make! Who the hell wants a fake iPod (Galaxy Player)?!
You sir are a fucking moron.
A Galaxy Player is not a "fake" iPod. A fake iPod would be a shitty chinese-made MP3 player with Apple logos all over it.
That was like saying tissues that are not Kleenex brand are "fake tissues"
You know this made me think. If Apple bought Kleenex they would probably attempt to block the sale in the US of anything that is white-ish, possibly scented, thin, and gets snot all over your hands.
No..the Applenex wouldn't get snot all over your hands - those would be the knockoffs.
OMG PDMI was copied from Apple OMG OMG OMG people it is a standard connector it was not "invented" or "copied" by Samsung CEA released the standard and unlike Apple that likes to use non standard features to capture accessories market Samsung decided to use the standard the Dell Streak also uses it. http://www.ce.org/Press/CurrentNews/pressreleasedetail.asp?id=11905 The lil square for the USB Blackberry also uses it I guess good invention to screw consumers and not provide a separate charger. Is the store a Samsung owned store?
PDMI was created as alternative to the 30-pin iPod dock connector. Why they designed it to look almost exactly like the Apple 30-pin dock connector, who knows. (The answer is obvious, but who knows) Even so, Samsung still designed there connector cable to basically look exactly like the Apple cable: almost the same radii in the corners, the same length and width, on both ends of the cable. That is totally unnecessary, and the only conclusion you should come to is Samsung is trying to copy Apple's "look", the trade dress.
The store is a Samsung store-within-a-store (like a mall kiosk type of thing). Samsung owns it.
The Blackberry charger uses the idea of a compact plug with a USB port, but it uses a different trade dress. It's kind of curvy and has the USB port sticking out on the side. The Samsung charger is basically a copy of Apple's trade dress. RIM did it right. Samsung? Just wrong.
Samsung did not create PDMI for starters and are not the only ones using it take a look at the Dell Streak cable a cable is a cable, take it to CEA for making it the standard and you are going to see it more and more and more. http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=330-6547 Apple does not own the world and immitate and copy as much as the next door guy heck the slide to unlock was available from MS long time ago and I do not hear them crying. Samgun make take cues from other like they all do. Apples first phone iterations where a total failure just used to grasp technology and insight into the market from Motorola. So I guess apple also is guilty of all that. They have to compete and do what they know grab some one elses idea and make it better (tabs) and so on.
I didn't say Samsung created PDMI. But like I said already, "even so", Samsung decided to design the cable to look very very much like the Apple cable, on both ends. They could have used the Dell Streak cable and be better off. There are many many different ways to design the cable.
Since when was slide to unlock available on an MS device? Using what implementation?
Since 2001 Neonode N1m oh and the dell streak cable is eaxctly the same
LOL Samsung does not own that booth, they are not even sure where that picture came from. What an iboy liar.
this is getting old. exactly how many of these useless article do we have to see everyday?
I guess as many times as Samsung copies Apple?
and how many times has apple copied others. COUNTLESS. moot point.
And yet you can't name any patented IP that Apple is using without a license? It's countless so i'm sure it shouldn't take you long..
Slide to unlock available since 2001 on MS devices Neonode N1m
@bligui
The N1m was released in early 2007, not 2001. And it did not implement slide-to-unlock. It was swipe-to-unlock. It is conceptually different.
For the N1m, the swipe gesture is just a swipe across the screen without any onscreen animation.
For the iPhone, the user is moving an object, a bitmap, across a predefined path.
Same idea? Sure. Trivial difference in implementation? I don't think so. Obviously slide-to-unlock is a whole lot better since a lot folks are copying the slide-to-unlock idea with a dragging a bitmap in some direction, while not one phone I know of uses the Neonode N1m implementation.
and exactly how many of your post do we have to see everyday? LOL
I can see providing FACTS and actual PICTURES and proof is really pissing you Android fanboy's off. The statement "truth hurts" really exists for a reason.
Facts lol? Nothing like a little Photoshop to get your facts from.
And I'm no Android fanboy. Far from it. Would it help if I told you one of my 5 wireless numbers is for an iPhone 4? No matter. We all can see how much truth matters to you.
Really? those pictures of the Galaxy Tab Box, and how it was presented inside the box, and the charger are photoshopped?
samsung has been doing that for YEARS. and the charger is a stock item. They're not only used by samsung and apple.
the only reason apple is around is because they STOLE first. lmao
Yeah but Samsung's CEO hasnt quit, bull dozed his house and rebuilt it. See so not the same.
I'm an avid Apple fanboy but I sure get tired of seeing articles like this. Somebody call PETA, cause this horse has been beat to death.
BS! Why are you here then?
Maybe because he likes to read about Apple news?
do you like turtles....i like turtles....especially green ones
I am with the group on this one I come on here to find some updated info on new phones/tablets not constant posts with things like "someone at Samsung's corporate office brought an apple for lunch.... ATTACK!" BTW one difference: Samsung invited AndroidCentral folks to what will probably be their next Nexus announcement, but Apple didn't invite anyone from TiPb to the iPhone 5(maybe) event. Apple cares more about making headlines than they do about their enthusiasts.
Haha. Its one thing to imitate. Its another to copy. That's just crazy. Clearly they are trying to be like Apple. Even down to the way they package their products.
Really? My HTC Touch a few years ago was packaged like that. How else do you package a phone? Put it in a bag with a bunch of wrapping paper on top and you have to beat a puzzle to get to the phone? Do you want it to come inside of an animal so you have to operate on it to get your phone?
There is no other way to package things.
My Evo 4G came in a carton. LMBO. Funny but sad. lol.
http://www.buzzcritic.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/abc46_5-15-10-evo4g.jpg
LOL I remember those cartons the Evos came in. They looked like disposable fast food containers.
lol. Yep. Very eco-friendly though. lol. The Evo 3D package was pretty nice though.
My Droid X2 and Droid Charge came in a little cardboard container. Nothing special about them. The Samsung Fascinate my son uses now, which by the way is nothing like an iPhone for those that are blind in this audience, came in a rather large box that you could fit a cake in.
I'm fairly certain none of these resemble iPhone packaging. Let me check.... -grabs boxes and iPhone 4 case-.... Nope they are all different. Imagine that.
"Ours is black. Apple's is white. See? We don't copy."
I'm genuinely curious, Rene.. do you ever get tired of trolling? I think we can all agree that Apple isn't exactly innocent in the "copying" game, either.
I think he's trying to prove a point. Day after day we see carrier X, Y, Z coming out in support of Samsung. Why? Because the carriers know that an injunction against Samsung's LTE devices would hurt their bottom line. They're certainly not helping consumers.
Samsung shamelessly copied nearly every aspect of Apple's products, from the boxes, to the cables, to the UI. When Samsung becomes complicit the consumer loses. I want genuine competition and real choice. The false choice that we have now - between iOS devices and Samsung's copy-cat products, is not real choice.
Oh, please.
These days, nobody walks into a store and mistakes a Galaxy S for an iPhone. There are some shared similarities between the two, but the average consumer won't walk out with a Galaxy S when they walked in with the intent to buy an iPhone. It's not like the AT&T guy will say "Well, you could get an iPhone.. but since the Galaxy S has a similar box, cable, a similar APP DRAWER (which is such an insignificant part of the phone that it's hardly notable), and other trite little similarities, you can get THAT instead." The choice is obvious. You're either underestimating the consumer or are genuinely confused between the two. Either way, you're wrong in saying that Samsung does't provide real competition based on it's own merits and not because it makes some features look alike. 15 million didn't buy the Galaxy S2 because they thought it piggybacked off of iPhone's design.
Now, personally, I agree that Samsung shouldn't have made such things look the so similar, but those things are so superficial that once you actually use the phones, they're almost negligible. And can you really, honestly blame people for jumping on the case of Samsung instead of Apple? You're defending a company who wanted a tablet and a phone BANNED FROM A FUCKING COUNTRY BECAUSE IT HAD ROUNDED EDGES. Seriously? That's a damn joke and the judge who ruled for that is beyond moronic.
Agreed again. Between Apple's stupid attempts to ban the competition and some ignorant judge somewhere (and don't even get me started on that idiot from FOSS patents who pretends to be THE expert at US Patent law), it's no wonder the phone carriers, here and abroad are starting to say enough is enough. Their money tree isn't filled with Apple exclusively. In fact, unit sales and total revenue there isn't a one of them that don't make more off the competition than they do Apple.
It's my prediction that Apple is going to find itself in the very precarious spot they did in the 80's when retailers started dropping their products from their shelves. Don't give me the B.S. argument that they can't afford to not have Apple. People, contrary to what this blog and others like it tell you, aren't lining up every day to buy Apple products. Yes there is excitement over something new but that is the case with everybody. Initial fervor hits and then attention spans go elsewhere.
How many on this site can attest, and provide proof, that every time Apple puts out a new Mac, iPhone, iPod etc they rush out and immediately buy it cause it's simply, "The greatest advancement in technology in all of human history!"????? If you have the finances to do that I congratulate you. Put some of that money wasted into bettering your community and helping those in need. Apple doesn't need it.
I can see providing FACTS and actual PICTURES and proof is really pissing you Android fanboy's off. The statement "truth hurts" really exists for a reason.
Youre not 100% right. Last summer I had the samsung fascinate and put it on craigslist to sell. Every person that called me said they wanted it because it looked just like the iPhone which wasn't on Verizon at the time. Samsung knows what it is doing and you are giving the consumer a little bit too much credit.
Um, no. If people want an iPhone, they'll get an iPhone. Not something that LOOKS like it. By that logic, they'll get any phone that has rounded edges and a touch screen.
Let's stop making up shallow one-sided stories, shall we?
I'm looking at my son's Fascinate right now. Hmmm... Yep I'm sure of it. All those people that called you from Craigslist are stupid.
Unless of course you worded your sell ad to say something like... "Please buy this Samsung Fascinate from me. It looks and acts just like an iPhone!"
The problem is that there should not be a choice. We have laws in this country, and there are similar laws in other countries, that allow a patent holder to exclude alternative products from the market altogether. The point of those laws is to give people incentive to invent stuff by allowing them exclusive rights to exploit their inventions for a period of time, after which the technology becomes public domain. Consumer confusion is not the issue (that's a trademark issue). This is patent. If somebody copies your patented invention, you should be able to make them pay, and Apple is trying to do just that.
Apple didn't invent touch screens. They didn't invent rows of icons that pane from side to side. They didn't invent rounded edges.
What exactly does Apple have that gives them the right to such a BASIC thing? Wake up, kid. You're blissfully ignoring the fact that apple is trolling everyone, probably because you have an Iphone and you think it's okay, It's not. It limits innovation and competition. Wake up and smell the expresso, kid.
Perhaps Apple invented what they have claimed in their patents. You'd have to read the patents and compare the claims to the prior art to determine that. If Samsung has made a device that has all the elements claimed in an Apple patent, they have to pay. Period. It's Title 35 of U.S. Code, if you want to look it up. Look under section 271.
Kid.
Apple claimed rounded edges? Apple claimed touch-screens? Apple claimed 4x4 icons? And Apple patented all of those things? That's really the main thing here is the design. And how convenient for you that you'd ignore the fact that all of these things have existed before iPhone. You can try to defend the patent system all you want, but I don't think anyone who actually wants to see technology and the market for it to you know, GROW, will think that the system is right. You can throw all the legal jargon at me you want, but when all is said and done, Apple's trolling the smartphone market with it's petulant patent-based litigation. And that's all there is to it, kid.
"Now, personally, I agree that Samsung shouldn't have made such things look the so similar, but those things are so superficial that once you actually use the phones, they're almost negligible."
The typical response by someone who has no understanding or appreciation of design.
Yes, because it takes someone with a profound sense of design to really understand touchscreens, rounded edges and 4x4 pane of icons.
Get off your high horse, scrub. For all you boast, the Apple didn't re-create the sliced bread with the iPhone. All of these things have existed before iPhone came out.
Again, you have no understanding of design.
Haha.
u mad?
NEWS FLASH apple stole sticky keys from Sony Vaio X505 http://reviews.cnet.com/SonyVAIOX505series/4505-31217-30886049.html OMG no apple invented that in the cave ages and just kept it quiet. They all copy each other you apple fan boys are just to blind or to young to know it all.
Chiclet or island style keyboards go back 30 years. Now if Apple copied keyboard layout, and had it mounted at the front, maybe you can call that copying.
So it is ok for apple to use something they did not invent but not others? Oh the apple fan boy double standard.
@bligui
Obviously not ok. I'd hope for originality. But if you think design differences are trivial differences, and the only important thing is the idea, then there is nothing original and there is no room for art or trade dress or design.
The chiclet style keyboards between the Sony X505 and the MBA are not the same design: different layout, located differently, and for all we know, different actuation techniques.
Amen... Between Rene and Gruber, the whole blame everybody Apple is the greatest EVER angle, and some bush league sports commentary is covered.
Put down the pom poms and look at some of Apple's faults every now and then.
Your comment is bush league because you are focusing on who wrote the article. You are on an iPhone blog, what exactly are you looking for?
NEWS ABOUT APPLE PRODUCTS! Not Rene's fanboy slobbering.
I can see providing FACTS and actual PICTURES and proof is really pissing you Android fanboy's off. The statement "truth hurts" really exists for a reason.
splinter stfu
I come here because I like getting news about Apple and tips on the devices. (As well as try to win a free iPad or two) I own the iPad 2, probably will get the iPad 3 when it comes out, have owned an iPod since it FIRST CAME OUT and I've had a iPhones all the way up to 3GS. What I don't care for is Rene's retarded trolling, posting news about OTHER SMARTPHONES and him constantly defending Apple when it's obvious they didn't do something right. Heck, you're looking at the only guy who actually defended Apple's deathgrip issue and Steve Job's behavior regarding it back a year ago.
I can see providing FACTS and actual PICTURES and proof is really pissing you Android fanboy's off. The statement "truth hurts" really exists for a reason.
Oh really? So, you wanna take a look at the new iOS 5 features VS Android? How about the great icon system that you're so proud of actually being a copy of the LG Prada?
You can attempt to attack with all these trite little things, but in the end, nothing that iOS is actually FAMOUS for is because it did anything "original."
The truth hurts, don't it? Har har har.
Dude chill out the problem with android is that the junk doesn't work like it's advertised and iOS does. Not to mention the cheap materials it's made of. Maybe Android should copy reliability. is that possible?
@Roseventyfour
How exactly is Android advertised again? As an open-source OS that lets you do what you want to do.. check. The problem with Android isn't the software itself, it's that carriers tend to put a bunch of bloatware that bogs the system down. And, honestly, anything OG Evo and up works fine and reliably. But yes, you're right in that the hardware does feel cheap and plasticy. I guess that's the trade-off for thinner and lighter, emphasis on lighter. We'll see if Apple can do it right.
I stopped reading this site because of posts like this, and I stop back for the first time in weeks, and this is the post I see. I pretty much can't stand reading anything Rene writes.
So... I suppose you could just...not read it? I'm not sure. That might sound a little harsh. Let me know if that first sentence came off a little strong. It's almost as if the situation calls for a line similar to, "So, why are you still here?" However, I wouldn't want to sound a like a inconsiderate bastard. That's just my opinion...
You sound like one.
I agree, actually. The quality of Rene's work has dropped significantally
It really has. The other smartphone expert sites can report on the phones without crapping all over the competition. Is there another iphone blog where the news is reported without the fanboyism?
Well who asked you to come back to this site and who asked you to comment? Why don't you add something useful to the discussion or is because Apple is right and you have no defense? Since you have brought nothing to the table yet I am going to have to assume you know that Apple is in the right.
If samsung copied apple, does that mean apple copied digital photo frames?
Because digital photo fames can sue apple.. oh wait, they can't, BECAUSE THEYRE INANIMATE OBJECTS!
its a bout the design of the products and by apples thinking yes there ipad does look like digital photo frames...now if other companies were as petty as apple they might have actually patented such a vague design of it and started suing
Booooohooooooo
And all this is of course, because Apple invented all the things above??
Fuck off fanboy
Samsung has a severe case of Apple envy.
They do it so blatently.
I came to this post from an Android Central tweet and hate it. Also, get on with the program and let us login with Google+
is it me or is samsung taking cues from Apple for its commercials now (see below)...the whole "We Are Samsung" and "We Believe In"... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g92G128lW40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU here the authority on copying and stealing ideas
My how Mr. Jobs has grown. A mere 17 years and a haircut later he leads the charge to make sure no one else can use a black rectangle.
ZING!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU
Just sayin'
No one really knows except the companies themselves so they take it upon themselves to settle it out in the courts the media covers it and you read it as news thats it i guess. wether apple copies sam or vise verse i think its wrong to copy or imitate or iritate or mimick or tail along for the winnings of someone elses works. its not fair someone makes it then your backend shadow is there to track your footsteps i think this is wrong for either of them but technology and the consumer benefit by having more than just one company i just dont think they need to assimilate themselves with a side who is winning. If you want to be different that something you have thats different if you dont then dont copy its sending out a bad signal. i dont know i am commenting from what little i know i know samsung did have and toshiba also did have some technologies like this before im not sure who was first to be totally honest. Whats really funny is samsung makes screens and chips for the apple devices. so now they sue themselves sort of i guess. Crazy.
I guess they could be saying hey look were just as good give us a chance.
Lol right up until you power it on, then samsungs screen looks better
so we got two gt 10.1's to replace the ipads.. Sorry, its not who gets there first, its who can figure out how to do it the best..
Nobody trolling here
To me its a case of confirmation bias. I mean, Apple's USB connector looks like every other USB I've ever seen. And the voice app - I bet OS/2 Warp's voice app used a microphone motif in 1994. And we've all seen hundreds of software applications that use the gears icon for settings. It ain't original just because Apple uses it.
Albeit, I'll give them the packaging and power connector. But really, so what? Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery. And don't tell me about user confusion in the market place - how many people have ever bought a device on how the packaging or power connector look? And not to mention that every washing machine, car, shoes, keyboard, tin of baked beans and a million other consumer products all have the same basic shape.
I am so glad that GM did not sue Ford because their cars also had 4 wheels and moved forward, otherwise Ford drivers had to drive sideways.
Your statement doesn't make sense. Apple is not suing samsung saying they hold the patent on inventing a cell phone.
But they are suing for things that are also basic. Rounded corners.. rows of icons. By that logic, phones are only allowed to have squared off corners and must have icons scattered all over the screen. So, yes, the Ford analogy works just fine.
...and Samsung is still the better product
It is so obvious that Apple is copy Samsung in everyway... fools. That's why I would never go for Apple products
Hahaha
stupidest post i've seen today, and it's quite an accomplishment 
Everyone wants to be like apple and everyone who doesnt own one wants to be a douche about it! Just cause you can't time a bite from the big apple doesn't mean you should make a softer apple for you to chew! Be innovative and make your own shit, and for the trolls stfu go play with your rinky dinky droids your product are below blackberry in the buyers market! Woman lie men lie numbers don't !
Wow. I thought your "Apple has won..." post was bad. +1 to you for outdoing yourself.
Apple: We've always been shameless about steeling ideas...we just think it's shameful when others do it.
The "Apple has won" post was terrible.
apple is dead on mobile. Android is the present and the future. Everyone copys everyone, cell phones, cars, boats, digital cameras, furniture. apple is desperate but there's no way back to top. apple was steve jobs.
I owned an Apple Newton. It was too big and the handwriting recognition wasn't that good. Benefits didn't outweigh the drawbacks for me. I owned every single PalmOS handheld from the Palm III through the Centro and everything in between. It was fun watching the evolution of an electronic organizer transition to color, memory card support, then adding phone/email/internet. They really rested on their laurels and failed to innovate long enough with nothing really to fill the void (except Microsoft-based handhelds which did not appeal to me). Folks I knew in Europe found the Symbian OS pretty cool as well and I remember their handhelds evolving into smartphones. I never really found them suiting my personal needs exactly, but they seem awesome and I could appreciate why a lot of folks would enjoy them.
Then the iPhone came out in the midst of a giant "vacuum" in the industry. Truthfully, there were so many of us on forums asking "why can't someone create a solid smartphone that does xyz features???". People asked for over 3 years with essentially no meaningful progress in technology. 3 years in tech time is like 7 years to a dog... which is like 49 years to the rest of us
The iPhone put it all together and made it just "work". I think that's why people like it so much. Did they invent icons? No. Did they invent connectors? No. Did they invent "roundedness" on a handheld? No. In some ways, this whole line of discussion is analagous to the conflict in the Middle East. There are so many "realities" and "truths" perceived by different people that the actual story (which is much more complicated than any petty or trite commentary could possibly list, including my own) is completely obliterated. This is mostly just people expressing opinion about how they personally interpret things... just like I'm doing
I think it's hard to argue that Apple put out a product that just "worked" well enough, had the right aesthetics and "I've gotta have it" allure, and then proceeded to build an entire business model around it at such a dizzying and aggressive pace that the competition has yet to crack the code.
Are they the ultimate inventors of many of these things? I don't think so. Did they patent some of these concepts first and have the leverage and finances to stick it to someone financially as a result? Maybe.
I am less excited to see competition get stifled because I have concerns that the more that happens, the easier it is for Apple to rest on their laurels just like Palm did years ago (ie; increasing their refresh cycle to 16 months instead of 12 months) that innovation will slow down.
Would I confuse a Samsung product for an iPhone? No. But, I'm also one the goofballs that reads TIPB; even silly articles like this one! Are there a LOT of very intelligent people among my family and friends that might not be clear between two very similar looking products when confronted by them at an AT&T or Verizon store? Quite possibly.
Do I want a totally innovative and seriously revolutionary iPhone 5 to be released next week that will leave me feeling it was worth the 16 month wait to remain loyal to Apple and iOS? Darn right!!!
Have I asked and answered way too many of my own questions? Heck yeah!!!!!! :-O
Wow... this is a comments section, not some place to edit your next novel... edit yourself please
It's funny because when we saw iOS5 there were obvious ripoffs that Apple is touting as their own creation. Either because they are from Android or from Jailbreak developers. Everyone copies everyone and I think Renee is drinking way too much kool-aid lately....
Lmao
Screens are rectangles. So basically, your only design options are a rectangular phone, or a rectangular phone with rounded corners. And there's no patent on white boxes. I think people are getting excited about nothing.
i like turtles
I do think that the packaging, in particular, does seem to be bit too similar. I would imagine there are other ways to make the out of the box product experience amazing without overly copying Apple's format. However, on the other hand giving Samsung grief for using standardized USB components is not just plain silly, but downright intellectually dishonest. The icons look like the typical icons seen everywhere, and one would expect them to look similar; it's called branding. Finally, using a microphone as a graphical representation for recording seems to be pretty standard. Apple didn't invent the mic nor was the iPad/iPhone the first products to use such graphic imagery. It's a bit arrogant - and mind-bogglingly stupid - to think that only Apple can use a mic to represent mic-in.
There may be many valid critiques of Samsung, and that is fair. However, to nit-pick on silly things such as using a USB standard is just small-minded and silly.
might as well sue every phone out there...
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Toyota doesn't copy Ford. Except for doors. And gas powered. And marketing. And 4 wheels. And windshields. And so on ...
These postings are a tad uncomfortable in tone. The postings have gone way past being a mere fan or from a person that like the Apple product, they are actually quite close now to being in the Realm of Fatal Attraction style following of the brand name.
I could understand one or two postings similar to this but it is starting to become incessant and sorry but they do show a sign of an unhealthy obsession.
I've found other Apple-following sites do the same, they aren't alone. The article accompanying this photo on tuaw is so biased I don't think it counts as news!
Yes I noticed that they are like that, sadly in the writers case it is getting to be an obsession for him. The same traits can be see by his incessant jibes against Verizon's advertising methods for Android phones. I don't know whether this is to do with Verizon having better coverage and he has to make do with AT&T and suffering dropped calls and poor data service when visiting the USA or whether it is purely because he doesn't like Verizon.
I don't care much for the company, but they are just a phone company and if you do not care for their advertising you ignore it you don't post a rant about how terrible they are.
Again this is a sign of an unhealthy obsession either with Apple or with hating Verizon. Either way it is just unhealthy and really a sign of OCD.
When I was a kid and got mad that my sister was copying me, I wish I had this kind of evidence to show my mom.
Where would the fact that Samsung is one of Apple's largest part supplier stand in all this, according to you?
lol alot of that stuff samsungs been doing since before apple did any of this. Box art, cables, how a tablet lays in a box (seriously? that's included?) etc. facepalm. Anybody forget that apple became big by STEALING themselves?
Do you know how many times I was asked how I liked my iPhone?
Problem was - IT WAS A GALAXY S VIBRANT.
I like Android, but I now have an iPhone (as soon as the white was released it was mine), and I can and fully do admit that people absolutely thought I had an iPhone the entire time I had the SGS.
Samsung knew what they were doing. They could have done subtle things like HTC and still have a rounded slab that wasn't mistaken for an iPhone. Samsung and Touchwiz are so similar that a quick look would make someone think it's an iPhone and no I don't think it's a coincidence.
I personally can't see how people can get them confused with anything but a quick look But really, who cares? Pretty sure your average consumers don't, and they're the ones who are going to get screwed over by lawsuits...
Oh I think the lawsuits need to stop. I just was saying that having experienced people thinking it was an iPhone for over a year, I can see where they would. It absolutely looks like an iPhone.
theres just too many differences to confuse it such as the fact its bigger,has a hump on the back,has a square button with 2 capacitive buttons or if in US has all capacitive button and no apple logo on the back and the most obvious is it says samsung on the front ...so my guess is either these people need to have there eyes checked or they assume iphone is all phones that are just touch screen..
rediculous, we want sleek devices, there are only so many ways that you can change things without making them look bulky. I've only ever used apple and am pretty disappointed at the shinanigans that keep going on, tell you what, make more then 2 devices and then we'll talk.
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http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/4395/samsungapplecopy.png
Who cares!?
Is any of these part of the lawsuit ?
Such an idiots iPhone fan, open your smart ass phone and you will find A4 chip by Samsung there, and memory card and other electronics chip done by Samsung! So your iPhone are Made in Koria! LoL
Samsung going to sue Apple by stealing 20 technology and put them into iPhone5 , it will be band in Austrelia!
If you punch of noobs, do not comment here bull shit!
How dare Samsung use a white box! Apple invented the white box!
I wonder how much money it's costing our taxpayers defending all of these products that aren't made here. Let China do it. Oh, wait a minute...
Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. Get over it and enjoy your Apple products.
Love that you're scraping the barrel of things Samsung have copied. The packaging? seriously? Do you actually think Apple invented how to pack a box in that way. The design is logical, put a big picture of the product on the front of the box, who doesn't do that? And the charger? you do realise that there is only 1 type of USB A connection, and that the charging end wasn't actually designed by Apple themselves right? And then a single application. Out of the 10's of apps apple has on its phone, do you honestly think that not one of them has used another companies app design for inspiration on their own? You seriously need to stop crying and get out of your apple bubble.
Ummm Samsung built some of apples components didn't they? And if apple is so secure in its product what is this obssesive need to sue?
you should so continue to update all these new pictures
Very good smart phone.