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By Rene Ritchie
Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:33 pm EDT
Samsung doesn't copy Apple. Except for in-store iconography. And USB power adapters. And packaging. And dock conne
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Come on Rene...we covered the store already. That wasn't them [see the other post].
I covered some of the others in my initial review of the Tab: http://johncblandii.com/2011/08/samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-welcome-home.html.
Pretty sad of them to go so far with it.
Makes you wonder why Samsung keeps doing it..
Same here cardfan. One or two is ok. As Apple zealots say "How many ways can you do notifications without copying?" I feel the same about a lot of these items but still...the voice recorder? Come on.
The chargers are pretty standard though they could have chosen a rounded rectangle. My Tab charger doesn't look just like the one above. It does have a different shape [slightly] but I was blown away by the 30 pin.
I draw the line at software though. TouchWiz [at least on my Tab and the S2 I played w/ momentarily] isn't iOS like aside from the icons at the bottom.
Either way...I'm with @Guest12345. We know what's happened and it gets old seeing it over and over about old stuff.
i could understand apple if all those similarities were from one product...but if the pdmi port is from one product and the charger from another etc then this has been looked into too much..also touch wiz 4 is less like ios...they got rid of the ugly coloured boxes that you sit behind the icons and only similarities is that the app drawer moves sideways like the ios home screen...everyone copies everyone,its always been like that but if someone copies apple then its blasphemy...sometimes theres just too much hypocrisy..and people like rene just love to over do it with these articles...i dont think anyone goes on about this whole copying thing then rene
Look at the marketing material on Samsung's website for Galaxy S II. The shadows and reflections on the phones are identical too. I am willing to bet that someone at Samsung got a good laugh out of trying to copy Apple's mojo. Still don't think Apple should have had their devices banned, however.
i give you the in store icons but thats probably just a human error...
charger seen square usb chargers before
when you open what do you expect to see...htc moto,they do that too
if there charging port is similar size to the ipads,what do you want them to make a wrong size port or just use more plastic when its not needed...
i tell you what apple and samsung do have in common...they keep it streamlined and simple thats all...cant no one else make streamlined and simple product rene...you really must hate samsung cause they are actual making your special apple scared..what you dreaming about that apple are the only company left...bet you were dissapointed that apple could not trademark multi touch just so they could sue everyone then..did you also think it was alright for apple to alter images for the lawsuits...bet you thought that a rectangle with screen is not a standard requirement for a tablet and should be tradmarked...like apple products thats okay...but to live drink and apple is so bloody ___...you can fill in the rest yourself
You Sir are ignorant. Meaning that you just don't know. Not stupid. You just have no idea. I'm guessing that you're blindness is self imposed because you seem to be happy with it. If you paint a picture and I copy it and stretch it out to be a fraction of an inch longer and sale it as my own should you get money from that sale? It is your work right? Because according to you the fact that i made my copy of your painting longer means that you shouldn't get any money. Even though it is the same painting that you imagined in your mind and brought to life and into reality. I honestly wish that all these companies would agree to stop copying and stop the court proceedings. But this is BUSINESS. Samsung is a band of thieves!
OHH, dont worry, the two main features in iOS 5 were totally not from android OS. HAHAHAHA
That was a verbal b!tch slap to the face...
EXACTLY! Except for EVERYTHING! How long did they really expect to be partners in any kind of business ventures when they clone everything that they see Apple make! Who the hell wants a fake iPod (Galaxy Player)?!
You sir are a fucking moron.
A Galaxy Player is not a "fake" iPod. A fake iPod would be a shitty chinese-made MP3 player with Apple logos all over it.
That was like saying tissues that are not Kleenex brand are "fake tissues"
this is getting old. exactly how many of these useless article do we have to see everyday?
I guess as many times as Samsung copies Apple?
and how many times has apple copied others. COUNTLESS. moot point.
And yet you can't name any patented IP that Apple is using without a license? It's countless so i'm sure it shouldn't take you long..
and exactly how many of your post do we have to see everyday? LOL
I can see providing FACTS and actual PICTURES and proof is really pissing you Android fanboy's off. The statement "truth hurts" really exists for a reason.
Facts lol? Nothing like a little Photoshop to get your facts from.
And I'm no Android fanboy. Far from it. Would it help if I told you one of my 5 wireless numbers is for an iPhone 4? No matter. We all can see how much truth matters to you.
Really? those pictures of the Galaxy Tab Box, and how it was presented inside the box, and the charger are photoshopped?
samsung has been doing that for YEARS. and the charger is a stock item. They're not only used by samsung and apple.
the only reason apple is around is because they STOLE first. lmao
Yeah but Samsung's CEO hasnt quit, bull dozed his house and rebuilt it. See so not the same.
Sure it does. Didn't you see the presentation for iOS5???
I'm an avid Apple fanboy but I sure get tired of seeing articles like this. Somebody call PETA, cause this horse has been beat to death.
do you like turtles....i like turtles....especially green ones
Haha. Its one thing to imitate. Its another to copy. That's just crazy. Clearly they are trying to be like Apple. Even down to the way they package their products.
Really? My HTC Touch a few years ago was packaged like that. How else do you package a phone? Put it in a bag with a bunch of wrapping paper on top and you have to beat a puzzle to get to the phone? Do you want it to come inside of an animal so you have to operate on it to get your phone?
There is no other way to package things.
My Evo 4G came in a carton. LMBO. Funny but sad. lol.http://www.buzzcritic.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/abc46_5-15...
My Droid X2 and Droid Charge came in a little cardboard container. Nothing special about them. The Samsung Fascinate my son uses now, which by the way is nothing like an iPhone for those that are blind in this audience, came in a rather large box that you could fit a cake in.
I'm fairly certain none of these resemble iPhone packaging. Let me check.... -grabs boxes and iPhone 4 case-.... Nope they are all different. Imagine that.
"Ours is black. Apple's is white. See? We don't copy."
I stopped reading this site because of posts like this, and I stop back for the first time in weeks, and this is the post I see. I pretty much can't stand reading anything Rene writes.
So... I suppose you could just...not read it? I'm not sure. That might sound a little harsh. Let me know if that first sentence came off a little strong. It's almost as if the situation calls for a line similar to, "So, why are you still here?" However, I wouldn't want to sound a like a inconsiderate bastard.
That's just my opinion...
Well who asked you to come back to this site and who asked you to comment? Why don't you add something useful to the discussion or is because Apple is right and you have no defense? Since you have brought nothing to the table yet I am going to have to assume you know that Apple is in the right.
If samsung copied apple, does that mean apple copied digital photo frames?
Fuck off fanboy
I don't think Apple is the inventor. Samsung is in litigation over copying and they make numerous decisions mimicking Apple products.
I honestly could care less [matters not; is only a feather in the "mine is better" war] but I wish they hadn't done so w/ all of the current heat on them.
They do it so blatently.
I came to this post from an Android Central tweet and hate it.
Also, get on with the program and let us login with Google+
is it me or is samsung taking cues from Apple for its commercials now (see below)...the whole "We Are Samsung" and "We Believe In"... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g92G128lW40
lol. Yep. Very eco-friendly though. lol. The Evo 3D package was pretty nice though.
here the authority on copying and stealing ideas
Yeah, it is all about proving their point so they pick the worse possible picks to drive it home then posts like these propagate the images.
I haven't jumped into launchers yet. I dig Sense and TouchWiz [moving here soon I think].
You forgot RIM at the end there!
How about the revolutionary Smart Cover by Apple? Add that to the "copy" mix. :-)http://johncblandii.com/2011/08/the-smart-cover-another-apple-non-innova...
I keep trying to bow out of this convo but I keep getting pulled back in! :-D lmbo. This can go on and on. Apple copies. [read that as "Apple copies...period"].
Everyone does it...we all just need to live with it and stop trying to live high and mighty like our dog in the fight is better because it has a new/better spike collar or someone else uses a spike collar just like ours. It happens.
... and 99.9% of all of the posters here, who constantly use the term "fanboy", and criticize arguing over phones, are those same people who scream and yell and fight over their sports teams just because they live in the same city or went to the same school. Of course, that's okay.
Such in the danger of blind faith in wordly things.
I'm not saying they've never shown the drawer [why wouldn't they?] but I haven't seen an overt push to expressly show the drawer as a top feature.
No one really knows except the companies themselves so they take it upon themselves to settle it out in the courts the media covers it and you read it as news thats it i guess. wether apple copies sam or vise verse i think its wrong to copy or imitate or iritate or mimick or tail along for the winnings of someone elses works. its not fair someone makes it then your backend shadow is there to track your footsteps i think this is wrong for either of them but technology and the consumer benefit by having more than just one company i just dont think they need to assimilate themselves with a side who is winning. If you want to be different that something you have thats different if you dont then dont copy its sending out a bad signal. i dont know i am commenting from what little i know i know samsung did have and toshiba also did have some technologies like this before im not sure who was first to be totally honest. Whats really funny is samsung makes screens and chips for the apple devices. so now they sue themselves sort of i guess. Crazy.
I guess they could be saying hey look were just as good give us a chance.
Lol right up until you power it on, then samsungs screen looks better :-) so we got two gt 10.1's to replace the ipads.. Sorry, its not who gets there first, its who can figure out how to do it the best..
Nobody trolling here
To me its a case of confirmation bias. I mean, Apple's USB connector looks like every other USB I've ever seen. And the voice app - I bet OS/2 Warp's voice app used a microphone motif in 1994. And we've all seen hundreds of software applications that use the gears icon for settings. It ain't original just because Apple uses it.
Albeit, I'll give them the packaging and power connector. But really, so what? Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery. And don't tell me about user confusion in the market place - how many people have ever bought a device on how the packaging or power connector look? And not to mention that every washing machine, car, shoes, keyboard, tin of baked beans and a million other consumer products all have the same basic shape.
I have a iPod touch, ipad , and a i mac , my choice of phone was the Samsung droid charge . If i had to rate them , I would have to say , apple should start copying Samsung and Android .
I don't see a tablet messing with the ipad yet , but out of the phones , Samsung is the best phone on the market today. A friend of mine just got the galaxy s2, i don't see how any Apple fan boy could dispute Samsung's throne.
Its clear to me why Apple wants to keep taking shots at Samsung in court, and its not because of no box and charger, that's one big smoke screen
I have a iPod touch, ipad , and a i mac , my choice of phone was the Samsung droid charge . If i had to rate them , I would have to say , apple should start copying Samsung and Android .
...and Samsung is still the better product ;)
Apple started using their Dock Connector in 2003 with the 3rd gen iPod.
When was PDMI developed? The first work was in 2007... with the PDMI specification finalized in 2010
I never said anything about Samsung creating the PDMI adapter.
Whoever created the PDMI connector was certainly inspired by Apple's 2003 Dock Connector.
It's a little uncanny, huh.
I never mentioned laptop keyboards at all...
It is so obvious that Apple is copy Samsung in everyway... fools. That's why I would never go for Apple products
Hahaha :D stupidest post i've seen today, and it's quite an accomplishment :D
Everyone wants to be like apple and everyone who doesnt own one wants to be a douche about it! Just cause you can't time a bite from the big apple doesn't mean you should make a softer apple for you to chew! Be innovative and make your own shit, and for the trolls stfu go play with your rinky dinky droids your product are below blackberry in the buyers market! Woman lie men lie numbers don't !
Amen... Between Rene and Gruber, the whole blame everybody Apple is the greatest EVER angle, and some bush league sports commentary is covered.
Put down the pom poms and look at some of Apple's faults every now and then.
Your comment is bush league because you are focusing on who wrote the article. You are on an iPhone blog, what exactly are you looking for?
NEWS ABOUT APPLE PRODUCTS! Not Rene's fanboy slobbering.
Agreed again. Between Apple's stupid attempts to ban the competition and some ignorant judge somewhere (and don't even get me started on that idiot from FOSS patents who pretends to be THE expert at US Patent law), it's no wonder the phone carriers, here and abroad are starting to say enough is enough. Their money tree isn't filled with Apple exclusively. In fact, unit sales and total revenue there isn't a one of them that don't make more off the competition than they do Apple.
It's my prediction that Apple is going to find itself in the very precarious spot they did in the 80's when retailers started dropping their products from their shelves. Don't give me the B.S. argument that they can't afford to not have Apple. People, contrary to what this blog and others like it tell you, aren't lining up every day to buy Apple products. Yes there is excitement over something new but that is the case with everybody. Initial fervor hits and then attention spans go elsewhere.
How many on this site can attest, and provide proof, that every time Apple puts out a new Mac, iPhone, iPod etc they rush out and immediately buy it cause it's simply, "The greatest advancement in technology in all of human history!"????? If you have the finances to do that I congratulate you. Put some of that money wasted into bettering your community and helping those in need. Apple doesn't need it.
You also conveniently left out Nokia, Motorola, Sony, LG... All of which made phones long before Apple came along, all of which innovated and created things that Apple copied in the original iPhone and all of them since. The smartphone isn't the exclusive domain of Apple.
And to your point about all of those things predating Android... Nobody said they didn't. But Android did those things before iOS 5 didn't it? Haven't seen any attempt to make good on that from Apple have we?
Who cares when any of these phones started using these features? Neither android or apple invented them. So, yes, apple copied these in their iPhone 1 (which was before any android existed), but so has everyone else. As far as features go, every company is in the same boat paying out licensing fees. (unless its part of the batch that apple recently bought) As far as this article goes, it is talking about obvious aesthetic and design copies. It has nothing to do with software. That is a whole different set of rules and is comparing apples to oranges.
Youre not 100% right. Last summer I had the samsung fascinate and put it on craigslist to sell. Every person that called me said they wanted it because it looked just like the iPhone which wasn't on Verizon at the time. Samsung knows what it is doing and you are giving the consumer a little bit too much credit.
I'm looking at my son's Fascinate right now. Hmmm... Yep I'm sure of it. All those people that called you from Craigslist are stupid.
Unless of course you worded your sell ad to say something like... "Please buy this Samsung Fascinate from me. It looks and acts just like an iPhone!"
The problem is that there should not be a choice. We have laws in this country, and there are similar laws in other countries, that allow a patent holder to exclude alternative products from the market altogether. The point of those laws is to give people incentive to invent stuff by allowing them exclusive rights to exploit their inventions for a period of time, after which the technology becomes public domain. Consumer confusion is not the issue (that's a trademark issue). This is patent. If somebody copies your patented invention, you should be able to make them pay, and Apple is trying to do just that.
Perhaps Apple invented what they have claimed in their patents. You'd have to read the patents and compare the claims to the prior art to determine that. If Samsung has made a device that has all the elements claimed in an Apple patent, they have to pay. Period. It's Title 35 of U.S. Code, if you want to look it up. Look under section 271.
Wow. I thought your "Apple has won..." post was bad. +1 to you for outdoing yourself.
Apple: We've always been shameless about steeling ideas...we just think it's shameful when others do it.
The "Apple has won" post was terrible.
I don't think so. Apple integrated it better.
It really has. The other smartphone expert sites can report on the phones without crapping all over the competition. Is there another iphone blog where the news is reported without the fanboyism?
Your statement doesn't make sense. Apple is not suing samsung saying they hold the patent on inventing a cell phone.
apple is dead on mobile. Android is the present and the future. Everyone copys everyone, cell phones, cars, boats, digital cameras, furniture.
apple is desperate but there's no way back to top. apple was steve jobs.
I owned an Apple Newton. It was too big and the handwriting recognition wasn't that good. Benefits didn't outweigh the drawbacks for me. I owned every single PalmOS handheld from the Palm III through the Centro and everything in between. It was fun watching the evolution of an electronic organizer transition to color, memory card support, then adding phone/email/internet. They really rested on their laurels and failed to innovate long enough with nothing really to fill the void (except Microsoft-based handhelds which did not appeal to me). Folks I knew in Europe found the Symbian OS pretty cool as well and I remember their handhelds evolving into smartphones. I never really found them suiting my personal needs exactly, but they seem awesome and I could appreciate why a lot of folks would enjoy them.
Then the iPhone came out in the midst of a giant "vacuum" in the industry. Truthfully, there were so many of us on forums asking "why can't someone create a solid smartphone that does xyz features???". People asked for over 3 years with essentially no meaningful progress in technology. 3 years in tech time is like 7 years to a dog... which is like 49 years to the rest of us :-)
The iPhone put it all together and made it just "work". I think that's why people like it so much. Did they invent icons? No. Did they invent connectors? No. Did they invent "roundedness" on a handheld? No. In some ways, this whole line of discussion is analagous to the conflict in the Middle East. There are so many "realities" and "truths" perceived by different people that the actual story (which is much more complicated than any petty or trite commentary could possibly list, including my own) is completely obliterated. This is mostly just people expressing opinion about how they personally interpret things... just like I'm doing :-)
I think it's hard to argue that Apple put out a product that just "worked" well enough, had the right aesthetics and "I've gotta have it" allure, and then proceeded to build an entire business model around it at such a dizzying and aggressive pace that the competition has yet to crack the code.
Are they the ultimate inventors of many of these things? I don't think so. Did they patent some of these concepts first and have the leverage and finances to stick it to someone financially as a result? Maybe.
I am less excited to see competition get stifled because I have concerns that the more that happens, the easier it is for Apple to rest on their laurels just like Palm did years ago (ie; increasing their refresh cycle to 16 months instead of 12 months) that innovation will slow down.
Would I confuse a Samsung product for an iPhone? No. But, I'm also one the goofballs that reads TIPB; even silly articles like this one! Are there a LOT of very intelligent people among my family and friends that might not be clear between two very similar looking products when confronted by them at an AT&T or Verizon store? Quite possibly.
Do I want a totally innovative and seriously revolutionary iPhone 5 to be released next week that will leave me feeling it was worth the 16 month wait to remain loyal to Apple and iOS? Darn right!!!
Have I asked and answered way too many of my own questions? Heck yeah!!!!!! :-O
Maybe because he likes to read about Apple news?
It's funny because when we saw iOS5 there were obvious ripoffs that Apple is touting as their own creation. Either because they are from Android or from Jailbreak developers. Everyone copies everyone and I think Renee is drinking way too much kool-aid lately....
Screens are rectangles. So basically, your only design options are a rectangular phone, or a rectangular phone with rounded corners. And there's no patent on white boxes. I think people are getting excited about nothing.
i like turtles
Mostly separate but even Apple isn't going after them for stepping on their IP. Apple is saying they're trying to "confuse consumers" through copying. So it isn't an IP thing just more of a "yours looks like mine, that's not fair" thing.
The only tab similarity was the USB, to be honest. The battery indicator and packaging were meh. I actually had to go get my iPhone and iPad packaging to compare them.
I do think that the packaging, in particular, does seem to be bit too similar. I would imagine there are other ways to make the out of the box product experience amazing without overly copying Apple's format. However, on the other hand giving Samsung grief for using standardized USB components is not just plain silly, but downright intellectually dishonest. The icons look like the typical icons seen everywhere, and one would expect them to look similar; it's called branding. Finally, using a microphone as a graphical representation for recording seems to be pretty standard. Apple didn't invent the mic nor was the iPad/iPhone the first products to use such graphic imagery. It's a bit arrogant - and mind-bogglingly stupid - to think that only Apple can use a mic to represent mic-in.
There may be many valid critiques of Samsung, and that is fair. However, to nit-pick on silly things such as using a USB standard is just small-minded and silly.
Toyota doesn't copy Ford. Except for doors. And gas powered. And marketing. And 4 wheels. And windshields. And so on ...
Where would the fact that Samsung is one of Apple's largest part supplier stand in all this, according to you?
lol alot of that stuff samsungs been doing since before apple did any of this. Box art, cables, how a tablet lays in a box (seriously? that's included?) etc. facepalm. Anybody forget that apple became big by STEALING themselves?
Do you know how many times I was asked how I liked my iPhone?
Problem was - IT WAS A GALAXY S VIBRANT.
I like Android, but I now have an iPhone (as soon as the white was released it was mine), and I can and fully do admit that people absolutely thought I had an iPhone the entire time I had the SGS.
Samsung knew what they were doing. They could have done subtle things like HTC and still have a rounded slab that wasn't mistaken for an iPhone. Samsung and Touchwiz are so similar that a quick look would make someone think it's an iPhone and no I don't think it's a coincidence.
rediculous, we want sleek devices, there are only so many ways that you can change things without making them look bulky. I've only ever used apple and am pretty disappointed at the shinanigans that keep going on, tell you what, make more then 2 devices and then we'll talk.
Oh I think the lawsuits need to stop. I just was saying that having experienced people thinking it was an iPhone for over a year, I can see where they would. It absolutely looks like an iPhone.
theres just too many differences to confuse it such as the fact its bigger,has a hump on the back,has a square button with 2 capacitive buttons or if in US has all capacitive button and no apple logo on the back and the most obvious is it says samsung on the front ...so my guess is either these people need to have there eyes checked or they assume iphone is all phones that are just touch screen..
Dude chill out the problem with android is that the junk doesn't work like it's advertised and iOS does. Not to mention the cheap materials it's made of. Maybe Android should copy reliability. is that possible?
its a bout the design of the products and by apples thinking yes there ipad does look like digital photo frames...now if other companies were as petty as apple they might have actually patented such a vague design of it and started suing
Is any of these part of the lawsuit ?
Such an idiots iPhone fan, open your smart ass phone and you will find A4 chip by Samsung there, and memory card and other electronics chip done by Samsung! So your iPhone are Made in Koria! LoL
Samsung going to sue Apple by stealing 20 technology and put them into iPhone5 , it will be band in Austrelia!
If you punch of noobs, do not comment here bull shit!
How dare Samsung use a white box! Apple invented the white box!
I wonder how much money it's costing our taxpayers defending all of these products that aren't made here. Let China do it. Oh, wait a minute...
Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. Get over it and enjoy your Apple products.
Love that you're scraping the barrel of things Samsung have copied. The packaging? seriously? Do you actually think Apple invented how to pack a box in that way. The design is logical, put a big picture of the product on the front of the box, who doesn't do that? And the charger? you do realise that there is only 1 type of USB A connection, and that the charging end wasn't actually designed by Apple themselves right? And then a single application. Out of the 10's of apps apple has on its phone, do you honestly think that not one of them has used another companies app design for inspiration on their own? You seriously need to stop crying and get out of your apple bubble.
Ummm Samsung built some of apples components didn't they? And if apple is so secure in its product what is this obssesive need to sue?
you should so continue to update all these new pictures
LOL Samsung does not own that booth, they are not even sure where that picture came from. What an iboy liar.
What is most blatant is Apple's entire i-Product naming system.
The iAudio CW100 was an mp3 player that came out a year before the ipod even did. Apple rips off the i-name and then has the gall to call iAudio copycats. That is Apple.
Actually, iMac came out before iAudio but I know what you mean, Apple steals a lot.
But "iPhone" was a registered name for InfoGear, which was bought by Linksys (now owned by Cisco). "On September 3, 1993, Infogear filed for the U.S. trademark "I PHONE" and on March 20, 1996 applied for the trademark "IPhone". "I Phone" was registered in March 1998, and "IPhone" was registered in 1999". So basically yes, Apple copied even the name, not to mention LG Prada's design.
Very good smart phone.