well that’s a pretty good return for apple then. Isn’t that the point?

@melwan says it best: “In terms of being overrated, its the ONLY phone that truly changed my day-to-day activities and incorporate it in my lifestyle. Non of the other phones came close to that. They all felt like a burden to use (entering todos, checking email, browsing, heck even checking rss feeds, etc…), not the iPhone.”

then again as they say one mans gold is another mans garbage…..so…

in terms of price….how much does apple spend on research and development….advertising? i for one have no idea….but that compared to the sale price is really the only thing that can tell us if its overpriced…..imo

Considering how much I paid for my Treo and first WinMo6 phone, the iPhone is not even close in terms of cost. With subsidized prices its much cheaper that the other high quality phone. Of course there are cheaper phones now like the Pre, but if u do a little bit of homework on the quality of the hardware/built, you will find it does not even come close to the quality/built of the iPhone.

In terms of being overrated, its the ONLY phone that truly changed my day-to-day activities and incorporate it in my lifestyle. Non of the other phones came close to that. They all felt like a burden to use (entering todos, checking email, browsing, heck even checking rss feeds, etc…), not the iPhone.

I truly find it highly rated, not overrated and with subsidized pricing, I paid less for it than my previous smartphones.

This was my experience and you milage might vary. (btw, I dont have the patience to wait for companies to get their shit together to fix their products. That’s why I dumbed Microsoft and went Mac. I haven’t looked back since and if Apple becomes sloppy, I WILL be moving on to the next best thing).

seriously are we talking abut the same product? With the exception of the occasional keyboard lag which has become much less prevelent ( actually I can’t remember the last time it happened) I haven’t experienced any of the issues you mention and I don’t thing the vast majority of users have either. This isn’t some “fanboy” bullshit. Just the truth. If all those things were happening with a product I owned I’d be done with the thing. I could care a less who made the thing. I’m not gonna defend shit. And you really contradict yourself. First saying that the iPhone is one of the best out there that you just don’t like the control apple has over it. Then you go on to describe one of the worst products I’ve ever heard of. I just don’t get it. Maybe I’m missing something. As far as upgrade to 3gs. Was it worth it? Shit are any of these gadgets really worth it? I mean you can easily get a free phone by signing a contract. Why pay anything more than that for any phone?

Did it occur to you that not everyone (not the majority for that matter) are facing the problem you are facing?

I owned a 3G (up to 3.0.1) and now a 3GS and I can tell you I never experienced any of the problems you are describing. My iPhones do not freeze, the GPS is right on (with 1 sec lock in) since 3.0, never laggy, utube is smooth, push works as advertised, and the keyboard is snappy.

And you said it, there are almost no threads about bugs, maybe because people are not experiencing many? Don’t get me wrong. When there is a bug, you se threads about it all over the place, but not regularly. and dont forget how long it takes Microsoft to iron out problems. If you really think the iPhone is a piece of junk, then wait till WinMo7.

And yes, sometimes Apple does not make much sense when they reject aps w/o explaining, but that does not mean they are not changing. Aren’t they opening VOIP over 3G? Moreover, I appreciate the moderation they do. u know why? cause I got a freakin virus on my WinMo6 phone from an app I BOUGHT. a freakin virus on a phone.

So yea, maybe the iPhone is not for you, well it cannot be for everyone. But I can tell you it changed the way I go about my day and non of the other phones in the past 15 years did.

and actually when I got my 3gs I sold my 3g on eBay for $380. Yeah I was shocked to shit too. You just got to be careful of scams and such. I don’t know, it might be worth it for you….

In all honesty I know some people don’t care for apple products and their way of doing things, but is the iPhone really that bad? I mean really? I’ve uses a blackberry and a treo and I got to say I like the iPhone better. The day I got the thing I just picked it up and used it. No learning curve really. Maybe it’s just me but the iPhone is the first “smartphone” I actually enjoy using. Others have just confused me to the point of frustration. Like I said maybe it’s me. I mean what do I know really? It’s just I can’t get over your disdain for this product. Maybe the thing is a piece of shit and I’m missing something.

why not just go with a different phone? Wouldn’t that be easier?

You must have the best battery in the world. No way you only drain 25% over 14 hours of use.

Ballmer much? LOL

How about a bit less ignorance and a bit more intelligence?

There are people out there with brand new out of the box 3GS with 3.1 pre-installed. Should they also be damned by your standards? pfft. Some people.

I’m on 3.0 3gs and plan to stay this way for a while.

After months of messing with my phone and hating her BB Storm, she finally gets an iPhone and its 3.1 OTB. Nothing I could do there, but she’s still po’d. They always are

We just want the unlock. We have enough jailbreak tools ATM.

This is way too confusing and we truely think we should just have 1 jailbreak. Either redsn0w or Pwnage Tool, because both are by the dev_team. Also it’s pretty funny how all the hackers decide to make jailbreaks at the same time… Way to go guys.