Comments on: Multi-Touch Patents, You Belong to Apple Now

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By: PacoBell

PacoBell — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:14:54 +0000

Palm must LIVE if there is to be any modicum of competition in the market!

By: Steve

Steve — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:27:30 +0000

Palm must die!

By: M. Elwan

M. Elwan — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:27:25 +0000

Only time will tell. They will battle it in court and we shall see.

By: Informed

Informed — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:20:34 +0000

Either case, you have to admit the patent Apple was granted does not cover Cypress Semiconductor multi-touch/pinch/zoom technology. Although the ideas in the Palm Pre and the iphones multi-touch may have some similarities the technologies do not have the same design. TV manufacturers tried unsuccessfully to make the argument one was stealing from the other, if thee original TV manufacturer had been successful we would all be using/buying the same TV-Set. Same holds true for most electronics.

By: M. Elwan

M. Elwan — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:56:41 +0000

My point regarding optimization was taken from your source, WebOS's blog: "Palm Pre will most likely use the Cypress’ TrueTouch Touchscreen Solution CY8CTMG110-32LTXI which is a capacitive touchscreen controller optimised for screens up to 4.3 inches in size." And then it goes on saying how the Projected Capacitive is superior when compared to Resistive and Surface. My point is that the iPhone uses Projected which is among the best in it's class. You were claiming it uses "Plain o'l capacitive", remember?

By: Informed

Informed — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:27:33 +0000

@M. Elwan

I am well aware the Pre uses TrueTouch Projective Capacitive, my point is the iphone does not. You saying the Pre is using an "optimized" version of TrueTouch makes no sense, last I checked the Pre's touch screen has not been designed before. As for the patents, if you check you will see that a dual sensor basically means multi-touch. As for pinch/zoom, once this is challenge in the courts Apples so-called patent will be thrown out. It is much easier filing for a patent, defending it is much-much tougher. If Apple chooses to sue Palm or whom ever else this will drag on for years, in the mean time the Pre will get free publicity/advertisement.

By: M. Elwan

M. Elwan — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:29:19 +0000

@ Steve Jobs: thanx for sharing that article. It's dated back to Jun 6th and it says the Nano G4 will use that screen as well. So, the "upcoming iPhone" is indeed the iPhone 3G (since the 3G wasn't out till Jun 11th if I remember correctly).

@ Informed: TrueTouch is a form of Projected Capacitive, not a whole new technology. The only difference is that TrueTouch is optimized for specific screen size that the Pre uses. If you check the comparison chart on WebOS's blog, you will see that the Projected Capacitive is listed as the ultimate quality.

My argument remains valid regarding the patents you posted; these patents represent the technical side (same argument in your original post). They do NOT address the multi-touch gestures such as pinching (for zooming) and many more.

By: Ernest

Ernest — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:15:03 +0000

Lets stop arguing guys. Let the court decides the case. I guess, Ex Apple guys brought the technogy to Palm.

By: Informed

Informed — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:38:53 +0000

@M. Elwan

Credibility?! You're saying I am disrespecting the writers when there is zero objectivity and a BIAS in their article? Please! You found Palm webOS good for you, what is your argument? In that Blog you should have learned that the iphone and the Pre DO-NOT use the same screen.

I want to make a correction, the Palm Pre uses True-Touch Capacitive multi-touch

http://download.cypress.com/truetouch/CY8CTMG110.pdf

Also, since you're implying Palm "stole" gestures from the iphone, let's see the evidence you have!

Here are patents that were given before Apple, just to name a few:

US Patent 6492979 - Dual sensor touchscreen utilizing projective-capacitive and force touch Issued on December 10, 2002

US Patent 6297811 - Projective capacitive touchscreen Issued on October 2, 2001

By: Ernest

Ernest — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:36:56 +0000

about time for mighty APPLE to rift the benefits of their hardwork and investment. Hope this will give some iclonic companies pause to think their strategy to compete with the JESUS PHONE. Back to the drawing board PALM. CONGRATULATIONS TO APPLE AND THEIR DEDICATED HARDWORKING TEAM.

By: Ana

Ana — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:12:50 +0000

Sheep...kidding...kind of.

By: TheO.Z.

TheO.Z. — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:52:49 +0000

I gotta say, while I like my iPhone and all that, how can apple sue palm given the iPhone looks exactly like fricken 10 year old palm OS (Garnet, that is) with better res and transitions?seriously. I like the interface but it sure did borrow a lot from other sources, to say the least. And borrow is a kind word.

By: shane

shane — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:07:32 +0000

If apple sues over this I will NEVER buy anything that's made by apple ever again. Multi-touch should not be able to be patented, thats just ridiculous. I had the iphone for a while and it had the potential to be a great phone, but apple is too lazy to make the changes that would actually make it a "smart" phone. All the little crap that it can't do that 5+ year old phones can do is ridiculous. And not being able to remove the battery is its biggest fault, idk about you guys but i like my phone to last more than 4 hours. So now apple is just going to sue it's competition to remain the dominant touch screen phone. If they haven't patented touch screen they might as well, because touchscreen phones are absolute garbage without multi-touch.

By: Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:54:21 +0000

iphone will use Proj Capacitance

http://news.softpedia.com/news/039-Projected-Capacitance-Touch-Panel-039-for-the-Upcoming-iPhone-87459.shtml

By: M. Elwan

M. Elwan — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:17:47 +0000

Sorry for triple posting (there is no edit), but this keeps getting better and better.

I did find your source: Palm WebOS Blog? really? so much for an honest "homework". Besides, even the that blog posting, they did not mention the iPhone. All they claimed is that the Pre uses technology "best in class".

Therefore, I wish... I wish, people who come here posting pretending to have a clue to actually show some respect for the article writers because they do know what they are talking about.

So much for your "credibility".

btw, any1 want to check the source, it's here: http://palmwebosblog.com/tag/multi-touch/

By: M. Elwan

M. Elwan — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:10:40 +0000

btw, I did some research and all the resources I came across were saying that because the iPhone is using Projected Capacitive, different multi-touch screen manufacturers such as Synaptics started producing Projected Capacitive screens for other phone manufacturers to compete with Apple. Before the iPhone was released, Synapics and other manufacturers were recommending Resistive Capacitive (or what you call plain o'l Capacitive).

Please provide a source to support your claims that the Pre uses "better" multi-touch screen than the iPhone.

By: M. Elwan

M. Elwan — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:53:10 +0000

@Informed: that does not mean Palm did not steal the gestures Apple uses for multi-touch, unless Palm had been using these gestures for years. Wait a sec, they haven't!!!

By: Informed

Informed — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:38:38 +0000

I wish... I wish, people who write these articles will do their homework. The patent Apple allied for is "A" form of multi-touch. There are several forms of multi-touch, the Pre does NOT use the same multi-touch screen as the iphone. Cypress Semiconductor is the designer of the multi-touch screen on the Palm Pre, they have been making touch screens for years.

The Palm Pre uses Projected Capacitive,

This method senses finger position on a sensor from the electric field projected through a substrate. It is typically implemented with one or more patterned ITO layers, applied to one or more transparent substrates. Projected capacitive is very durable, because users touch the top of a glass or plastic substrate, while the ITO layers are protected below. Coordinates are calculated from measuring signals off patterned ITO with a deterministic position. This makes projected sensing more accurate and repeatable than other capacitive sensing methods. Projected capacitive controllers generally require more sensing input pins for larger screens. In practical terms, they are limited to approximately a 10” diagonal screen for single chip solutions. Alternative solutions using multiple controller ICs or unique ITO patterning are also possible.

The iphone uses plain o'l Capacitive,

Which is coated with a material, typically indium tin oxide, that conducts a continuous electrical current across the sensor.[4][5] The sensor therefore exhibits a precisely controlled field of stored electrons in both the horizontal and vertical axes - it achieves capacitance.

Projected Capacitance is more accurate!

By: KORG

KORG — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:50:36 +0000

DR. EVIL's Laugh cued in now!

By: russ

russ — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:12:04 +0000

yeah ... so as long as the multi touch feature could be added via update ... so it shouldent be catastrophic for palm and sprint... maybe they will be able to trade patents.... hopfully this will all be straitened out in Barcelona next month

By: Amon

Amon — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:54:02 +0000

Yes, there will b a delay, palm could well to that feature and do a timely release. Hopefully once the dust settles the feature can be added thru an update!

By: russ

russ — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:31:03 +0000

if palm is forced not to use multi touch... couldn't this delay the pre's release for a sufficent amount of time? we all know that palm and sprint need this device out asap...

By: Amon

Amon — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:29:40 +0000

Wont b able to beat....

By: Amon

Amon — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:25:53 +0000

IMHO Apple wont be anle to any better product, patent or not. Multi-touch is Pre's only one of the many iPhone beating features, time spent on bettering products is much preferable than it being in court rooms Mr. Jobs! You have all it takes to beat the Pre, work on it!

By: iAirmanshirk

iAirmanshirk — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:21:20 +0000

I dont seem to have any problems other than my e-mail addresses just seem to randomly stop working =/

By: Ellis

Ellis — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:13:26 +0000

Even if Apple has the right to sue I hope they don't. In my opinion the pre is by far the most exciting phone to come out since the iPhone. My hope is it pushes apple to rip off some of it's great features in the next iteration of the iPhone.

By: Rene Ritchie

Rene Ritchie — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:05:48 +0000

@iAirmanshirk We don't typically ban email addresses in blog comments, let me know what the problem you're having is (i.e. what error message do get) and we'll look into it. Feel free to email me directly: news (at) tipb (dot) com.

By: maniacfive

maniacfive — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:01:41 +0000

@ Rene Ritchie

Touché

By: iAirmanshirk

iAirmanshirk — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:53:17 +0000

And someone on this site is power tripping, 5 of my e-mail addresses have been banned and i dont even comment that often

By: iAirmanshirk

iAirmanshirk — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:52:39 +0000

Again, article confused me. Does this mean Apple can sue palm yet?

By: Jeffdc5

Jeffdc5 — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:49:32 +0000

yeah the matrix pic is a lil much how bout a simple pic of jobs when he was joking about "boy have we patented it"

By: iPhonemilk

iPhonemilk — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:49:01 +0000

@rene don't listen to the haters keep up the good work

@stevejobs I love u get well soon

@apple go get em!!!!

By: Rene Ritchie

Rene Ritchie — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:34:09 +0000

@maniacfive

"Hated this post" wouldn't have sufficed?

By: maniacfive

maniacfive — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:31:33 +0000

Yeaaaaah, so that scene in the Matrix reloaded was just one of many things that ruined that franchise, but goddamn is it also somerthing that makes blogs hard to read when they're trying to be funny. Do your editors impose a word count? Was "Apple already have the patents to pummel the Pre into oblivion" not enough?

You want everyone to start hating this blog as much as we hate the Matrix sequels?

By: MattyFresh

MattyFresh — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:17:24 +0000

apple spend all the money in the world to sue the pants off em lol yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

By: Jeffdc5

Jeffdc5 — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:11:21 +0000

finally that shameless copy of the iphone that will remain nameless will have to be redone maybe they can do something original

By: andy

andy — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:06:39 +0000

first

congrats apple