Apple Sues HTC for Patent Infringement


Apple announced today that they are suing Windows Phone and Android hardware manufacturer, and Sense UI developer, HTC for patent infringement. The suit, filed in US District Court in Delaware, alleges violation of "20 Apple patents related to the iPhone’s user interface, underlying architecture and hardware". Says Apple CEO Steve Jobs:

“We can sit by and watch competitors steal our patented inventions, or we can do something about it. We’ve decided to do something about it. We think competition is healthy, but competitors should create their own original technology, not steal ours.”

This harkens back to Steve Jobs' original introduction of the iPhone at Macworld 2007 when, as a keynote bullet point, he stated emphatically about the iPhone -- "boy did we patent it."

HTC, who produces the Android G1, MyTouch, and Hero and the Nexus One hardware for Google, and a variety of Windows Phones including the Touch Pro 2 and HD2 has built their own multitouch solutions, even when Google was reticent to implement the technology themselves. Curiously, Apple has yet to go after Palm, perhaps due to Palm's equally impressive mobile patent portfolio. Likewise, does going after HTC allow Apple to go after Android and Windows Phone without taking on Google and Microsoft?

More on this as it develops. Also keep an eye on our sibling sites, Android Central for more from the HTC angle.

UPDATE: Gizmodo has the full list:

  • The ‘331 Patent, entitled "Time-Based, Non-Constant Translation Of User Interface Objects Between States," was duly and legally issued on April 22, 2008 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office.
  • The ‘949 Patent, entitled "Touch Screen Device, Method, And Graphical User Interface For Determining Commands By Applying Heuristics," was duly and legally issued on January 20, 2009 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘949 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit B.
  • The ‘849 Patent, entitled "Unlocking A Device By Performing Gestures On An Unlock Image," was duly and legally issued on February 2, 2010 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘849 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit C.
  • The ‘381 Patent, entitled "List Scrolling And Document Translation, Scaling, And Rotation On A Touch-Screen Display," was duly and legally issued on December 23, 2008 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘381 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit D.
  • The ‘726 Patent, entitled "System And Method For Managing Power Conditions Within A Digital Camera Device," was duly and legally issued on July 6, 1999 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘726 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit E.
  • The ‘076 Patent, entitled "Automated Response To And Sensing Of User Activity In Portable Devices," was duly and legally issued on December 15, 2009 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘076 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit F.
  • The ‘105 Patent, entitled "GMSK Signal Processors For Improved Communications Capacity And Quality," was duly and legally issued on December 8, 1998 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘105 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit G.
  • The ‘453 Patent, entitled "Conserving Power By Reducing Voltage Supplied To An Instruction-Processing Portion Of A Processor," was duly and legally issued on June 3, 2008 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘453 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit H.
  • The ‘599 Patent, entitled "Object-Oriented Graphic System," was duly and legally issued on October 3, 1995 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘599 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit I.
  • The ‘354 Patent, entitled "Object-Oriented Event Notification System With Listener Registration Of Both Interests And Methods," was duly and legally issued on July 23, 2002 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. A copy of the ‘354 Patent is attached hereto as Exhibit J.

Yikes. Apple is asking for permanent injunction and triple damages. Some of those also read so broad that I don't feel safe even making gestures in traffic any more!

What do you think? Is Apple right to sue? Is this their attempt to stop what happened with the Mac from happening to the iPhone? And why HTC in particular?

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Tis says:

I am begining to dislike apple more and more as each day goes by.

usmc says:

I'm glad Apple is finally making a stand.

naveen says:

i love my iphone, but i agree with Tis.

Robbb says:

LOL Good luck Apple. Although they are not directly going after Google and Microsoft. Both companies would have to be stupid not to help HTC out, being that HTC is a BIG handset maker for both companies. Also, I don't understand why the ITC allowed for such broad based patents.

Andy says:

I agree with Robbb (and somewhat with Tis). Apple patents everything short of "Mobile device that is held in, and operated by, the human hand."
This filing feels like it's doing the opposite of Google's "Don't be evil" creedo.

Naveen says:

remeber, google is evil and apple is greedy.

Lady Kaede says:

I'm thrilled, but a little confused. Usualyy it's Apple getting sued - though I think suits against Apple by Nokia and the like are more about negotiating patent-license-swaps than actually enforcing/penalizing. But what patents would HTC hold that Apple would want to swap for? Nope, it looks like Apple's going after the Nexus One manufacturer for real. A judge will sort it out, nothing personal, just business - and Im content to see the real handset innovator defend their patents for a change.

Rob says:

I wonder if Apple is going after HTC because they don't have enough patents to throw back in Apple's face like Palm and Microsoft. I hope HTC fights this, and a good prescident is set regarding broad patents. Anyone think Apple is finally feeling a little competitive pressure?

TJ says:

2 points to make here:
#2.) The iPhone is a great mobile phone. (PERIOD)
That being said, what the hell! If this is really what they want to be sue happy about, then why are they not suing every single mobile phone manufacturer that incorporates a custom UI and a G-Sensor/Accelerometer....... HTC is the #1 manufacturer for WM/ Android devices, that's why! This is nothing but throwing out a fishing line and seeing what they can get a Federal Judge to bite at. Then they will know how far they can push everyone else.

thedave says:

Witness, ladies and gentlemen, the reason why Allowing patenting of ideas was, and still is, bad for everyone.

iNono says:

Wasn't Steve Jobs who took Xerox' UI (and mouse) and created Macintosh with it?
Give me a break.

iDavey says:

No. This is a mess.
I agree with prior comments. First...this is why the patent system needs a huge overhaul. It's ridiculous.
I feel it should be this way, if HTC is going to lose this fight (which with their 13 year portfolio, I think they should have SOME kind of bite), they should drag Palm into it and force Palm to be held accountable too since they basically infringe the same things.
I say this for this reason. It may be true that Apple ignores Palm because Apple knows Palm can ground them with their patents. SO once Palm is forced to abide by said rules, Palm will have no choice but to fight back and force Apple to make some concession.
It's very unfair that these patents were issued in the first place, and now they're basically going after HTC mainly because Android is the main threat to the iPhoneOS. NO matter how behind it is, someone in that company sees some threat from either HTC or Android.
I will love to see this unfold. Hopefully this will force the patent system to be redone and made to where common sense things are not given patents.

Palm User says:

I posted this in the Precentral Forums and thought I should post it here as well. The point of Apple suing all these companies might be that Apple has the bigger money pile and so they choke the competition by suing them...and sit back while the other companies banks drain from the stress of having to defend. Why have they not sued Palm yet? In my opinion, Palm is not a big enough threat to them and Palm has a huge amount of patents of their own. I am surprised that Palm hasn't sued Apple! If HTC and Nokia have to suffer from the strain of lawsuits and Palm jumps ahead because of it, then Apple will have no problems with suing Palm to maintain ahead of the game. Its a clever tactic if you ask me. But its not right in the least. Patents choke innovation if the patent ends up killing a company. Apple has no business suing these other companies because they have innovation of their own that keep the mobile market fresh and inventive. Look at the computer market as an example. Only within the last ten years have we seen other OS systems begin to emerge due to Microsofts control of the market through patents and such. I am a Microsoft fan, but the facts are the facts. I am not saying its the only reason, but its a big one. I don't know, Apple is being too big of a control freak in this and that is going to kill them. IMO.

dev says:

Hmm...original comment never made it, so, in short:
If Apple forces the ITC's hand on patents like "gestures on an image," then I sincerely hope IBM forces Apple to halt all iPhone production while Apple is violating IBM's 1987 patents on "dynamic page length pagination." (See ttp:// and others. )
I love my iPhone, but this is absurd, and it is going to take something just as absurd to force a correction in these even more absurd shotgun software patents.

Ray says:

This is a non-issue to me. As long as Apple keeps producing top-notch, quality products and backs them with excellent customer service, I will be a fan. Though I will love to see the outcome of these lawsuits for the sheer drama if it.

Beefalo says:

I LOVE my iPhone, but I love competition as it forces everyone to continue to work on improvements. And I think HTC has done more than most to create a competitive enviornment. So, quit suing and get to work on OS 4.0 and the next generation iPhone.

iDavey says:

This is what will cause the downfall of competition and innovation.
This is in no way a fanboy or favorites thing. This is pure silliness.
Apple is clearly using these absurd patents just for the hell of it. Which extends to the patent system which grants them for common sense gestures!
Apple is trying to make it the only company that can basically sell you a phone in America.
When that happens, they will have no need to "innovate" or even try.
So customer service will go down, quality will go down.
Windows is a prime example.

TK says:

I like Mac OS X and Apple, but I'm getting tired of Steve Jobs and his ego. He'll patent anything just so that the competition can't use it. I remember reading when he tried suing Microsoft for using a GUI, but the court threw it out because Apple got the idea for a GUI from Xerox.
Let's not forget the iPad, I bet he'll sue Archos for patent infringement although the Archos Android Powered media Tablet was out first. There are Apple fans frothing at the mouth for his blood because the iPad was so disappointing and it was nothing like what anyone had hoped.
And look at that list of patents, some of them are way before the iPhone came out. Apple does feel threatened, they stole technology before. The problem is, it's whoever patented, trademarked, or copyrighted it first. How does that work in countries that don't have patent laws?
I bet he'll sue Google next because the next generation of iPhone will have multitasking. But he'll ignore RIM and Palm even though the BlackberryOS and webOS are multitasking as well. Notice how he's doing it this month? Verizon, AT&T's biggest competitor, gets the Nexus One on the 23rd of this month, a phone that's a direct competitor for the iPhone. I wouldn't be surprised if he's just going to try and delay it so that he can get his fourth generation iPhone out first.

Chris says:

This is really standard procedure from a corperate stand point. Apple, Microsoft, HTC, Palm, Nokia, they are all corperations. This was a decision based on making a profit of some sort. Unfortunately thats how things work here in the US. The way technology thrives in Japan and other parts of Asia, I doubt there is a patent system as self-constraining as ours. I'm a big fan of Apple and the iPhone, although there has be something done about allowing such broad patents like these.

Rene Ritchie says:

@TK: Apple and Microsoft came to a settlement deal that was announced the same Macworld where Steve Jobs returned to Apple (and Bill Gates filled the big screen). Microsoft got cross-licensing, Apple got continuation of Office, IE (which didn't last), and Microsoft invested a bunch of money in Apple.

iDavey says:

So how do YOU feel about this?
I know you feel very strongly for Apple, and normally side with them.
But do you honestly support them in this decision?

Bers says:

Attention, make sure you do not take a bite off an apple and throw it away. Apple might sue for copying their logo

Billy says:

I think it's more then fair for any company to sue any other company for manufacturing something patented by someone els i.e. infringing on their patents. However in this particular case I do believe that apple has tried to patent everything under the sun and is not putting out any of it. That would be the same thing as government buying technology rights and storing the product on the shelf for a millennium.... who benefit's from that.
So sure I guess they deserve there $ from HTC if they truly did steal their technology. But if you are not going to give the consumer what they want, when it's available, someone will. So how much money will apple really get from the suit vs how much they are not making by not supplying technology features consumers/pro users want. Insert HTC, samsung, Verizon , google ...... etc. Rats would not jump ship if they didn't think it was sinking and you could catch allot more with a buffet of cheeses. ( by the way ive been a pc user since before commodore I am an admin, I own 3 custom windows machines ( i build myself ) , a macbook pro, iphone 3g/3gs and droid). I don't advocate any of them. I have the right tool for each job. I don't care who makes them, I just want the best, easiest, fastest, most reliable, most productive products for my hard earned money. I imagine all would agree.

Random says:

Hmm... HTC should just buy Palm.

frog says:

Woooo, Go Apple! Though object oriented graphic system sounds extremely broad lol

jzajzz says:

I agree with Palm user.. Apple has the luxury to make HTC spend their own money in legal battles..

drtong says:

Dear Steve, EFF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope your turtleneck strangles you!

SheiknetChris says:

I don't know, this is just business as usual, these companies have full-time legal people playing politics/strategy. I doubt it will really amount to much--maybe bragging rights.
Nothing to get worked up over, people.

cyberbob says:

All of these companies are only doing what the patent laws in this country allow them to do. If you could only patent a product and not a concept, then you wouldn't have all this mess in the first place. And for you Apple haters out there, all of these companies, not just Apple, will do the same to the smaller fish. So this behavior is not exclusive to Apple.
All of these companies have "borrowed" from each other in some form or another. There are no innocents here. Not even Google. Nice guys don't get rich in corporate America. This industry is very competitive and cut-throat and any one of these guys, Apple, MS, Google, Palm, would do anything it took to put a competitor out of business.
It may be unsavory, but it's big business. It's not like they are killing kittens and babies or anything so just clam down... :-)

icebike says:

Apple ignores Nokia patents, refusing years of attempts at settlement.
Then they turn around and sue HTC for violating a vague patent that would have covered Windows, Linux, or just about any OS with a Graphical interface.
Apple apparently believes the patent system was set up ONLY to protect Apple. No one else need apply.
I hope Nokia is successful in getting importation of Apple devices into the US blocked (which is now what they are seeking).
If the iPhone couldn't be imported or sold in the US, perhaps Jobs would start paying for the patents he violates.

iDavey says:

So you know what....
I'm going to go patent my own method of inputting text into a field to be viewed by others thru computing and processing of any kind.
I'll call it typing.
I bet you the Patent Office will grant it.

Chris says:

@SheiknetChris @EvilHomer I must concur. Business as usual. Everyone does it. Compared to the financial industry and the government, this is childs play.

Joe McG says:

I agree with most here. No big deal. Money will change hands sometime in the next decade or so. Not your money, not mine, so don't worry about it.

iBamse says:

Most of these patents are just plain stupid.
But if you have patents you must defend them, or you could just as well not have registered them in the first place.

Lady Kaede says:

Apple is usually the one getting sued by somebody or other. They haven't gone after anyone like this for a decade. And the rest of the 20 patents that we haven't read may be more substantial. The fact is, there really was no consumer electronic device that worked the way the iPhone works before the iPhone, and look at the market now! If Apple actually found a way to put patents around the iPhone, more power to them. Copying Apple may not be illegal, but don't call it innovation.

jzajzz says:

@LADY Kaede .. look at what they're suing for.. and ask yourself .. are any of these innovative.. or just Broad ideas..

vanityeverlastingbonet says:

Instead of overrated apple suing some damn body how about they make a better phone that htc(android device) because lets be serious htc android devices craps over Iphone 3gs & that is fact.

Tis says:

After reading over some of the aligations, Apple clearly does not understand that most of the patents are infring on the GNU lisences under Linux, which is the code for many of the programs in android and the code must be published to the public. So I do say good luck to Apple, since Android is based on Linux unless the sorce code, is a drastic departure. All HTC has to do is ask android to do is make a central repository publicly acsessable. Microsoft ran through this 7 years ago while trying to stop GNU licencing and well failed miserably now it's Apples turn to get licked by the GNU.

Dragonfly says:

Goodness, some of you guys really suffer from amnesia don't you. Have you guys forgotten what smart phones where like before the iPhone?
Did phones use gestures on a touch screen to unlock the phone?
Did they have gesture based Kinetic Scrolling before the iPhone?
Did they have Multi Touch gestures such as pinch to zoom before the iPhone?
Did they use light sensors and accelerometers to switch the screen off when the phone was held to the users face during a phone call?
If I'm wrong, then please show a phone that had these set of features before the iPhone. These are just some of the things Apple is suing HTC for, as far as I'm concerned Apple have every right to defend themselves and their IP. If others want to compete, they need to come up with their own set of ideas.

Paris says:

All of the Apple haters are screaming for patent reform and all the Apple fanpeople just the along for sheer drama (as long it does not effect their fav products adversely)…anyway Patent infringement is unfair and it’s cheating regardless of what “side” your on…. Let the courts sort this out… However, how many of you pirate apps/music/use jailbreak…EXACTLY It’s the same thing… Look at yourself before running your mouths off (or keyboards)….
If you don’t like someones patents then buy usage permission or patent them FIRST (you know- for those really “obvious” things)… If you a have great idea/product why should someone get a free ride?

Paris says:

wow!! Fact huh? There's no way I could argue with you lol

Lady Kaede says:

@Jerry - I haven't read the contents of the 20 patent filings, only the titles of some that Ive seen posted here and there - has anyone here read all the filings themselves? If the patent office accepted it, it may be enforceable - a judge will decide if HTC and Apple don't settle. If Apple could patent the iPhone, they would have been silly not to, and it would be silly to patent and then not enforce them.

jzajzz says:

@Lady .. go to
They break down the patents... most of the Patents are Old Patents THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE IPHONE ... even before the IPOD ... the iphone was not on STeve Job's mind ...
@Dragonfly.. Apple's getting sued for Multitouch .. good luck with that... Apple has not sued HTC for multitouch.. again ..most of the patent infringements they claim are old patens way before the IPhone

kev says:

When you pick on someone that probably cannot defend themselves makes you a bully. Why don't they go after Motorola, Sony, and LG as well?

Dragonfly says:

@Jerry, go back and read those Patents again. Becuase you clearly don't know what your talking about. And since you chose to reply to my post, give me a list of phones that had the features I stated previously. And if you can't, then Apple have every right to sue.

solar_plexus says:

This sure gets old.
I used to really like Apple. I mean, this is the same company that basically took and built on the Palm OS, made it awesome, and made billions. They took the XEROX/PARC Us, improved it, and started the GUI Revolution. Now they are suing over DSPs???? Really? DSPs were used in phones long before the iPhone came along. Sure, I understand its HOW they are used, but seriously? (and I only use the DSP part as an examply. Most of the other complaints are just as insane) This is why I agree with everyone who said that Patent law sucks. And it is Patent law that will suck our entire tech industry into a life sentence of mediocrity. You can't innovate anymore because there is some obscure patent that says you can't use a piece of hardware in a specific fashion!!! Cripes

pbw says:

I must admit to being a tad worked-up over this whole thing. Primarily because I own a Moto Droid running Android 2.0.1, and I suspect the delay in my upgrade to 2.1 is due to this silly lawsuit. 2.1 incorporates more functionality that is similar to the iPhone (multitouch browser, etc). I also intend to upgrade my phone to the new Nexus One at the end of this month, but feel that its release stands a great chance of being delayed as well due to this. We'll see what happens, but for now I can't help but feel that these controlling tactics by Apple will stunt my ability to own a better device. The irony is that everyone was quick to jump on the Apple bandwagon a few years ago because they though that Microsoft was Big Brother in disguise.
Welcome to the New World, where all apps, music, videos, groceries, alcohol, books, furniture, homes, lawn equipment, lumber, all household items, and phones must be purchased through iTunes.

jzajzz says:

@DRAGONFLY a lot of phones use things that the Iphone first brought to smartphones... but a lot of things they brought ot smartphones weren't ideas..
a lot of the things that Iphone has .. were on devices before the Iphone .. but nobody is suing the Iphone..
anyway this is all moot because I can't stress this enough THE PATENTS THEY ARE SUING FOR HAVE NOT MUCH TO DO WITH THE IPHONE ...
the only one is SLIDE TO UNLOCK ... lmao @ this "innovation" .. if that's what you're referring to .. then I dont know what to say... everything else are old ..or features that they use on MAC OS but not the IPhone OS ...
lol @ suing for Multitasking .. the Iphone doesn't do that ..

Gwydion says:

Nokia 7650 had proximity sensor to dim screen while calling back in 2004
Nokia N95 had light and accelerometers back in 2.006
I had and XDA and I could unlock the screen with a gesture of the stylus
You can't believe, but there was phones before iPhone

Dragonfly says:

@Kelly, LOL, you say "A LOT of the things that iPhone has .. were on devices BEFORE the iPhone" and yet you can't even name a single one. The fact that you can't just proves my point.
@Gwydion, Wow, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel aren't you. Read my post again, I said
"Did they use light sensors and accelerometers to SWITCH THE SCREEN OFF when the phone was held to the users FACE DURING a phone call?"
So you're trying to tell me the Nokia 7650 did that even though it wasn't a touch screen and had no reason to? Lol, you're kidding right? You must be, because I've used that phone and it had no such feature.
"Nokia N95 had light and accelerometers back in 2.006"
Once again, the iPhone uses the accelerometer and light sensor to switch the screen off during a call, the N95 didn't do that.
"I had and XDA and I could unlock the screen with a gesture of the stylus"
Care to name the model of the XDA you speak of?
Back to my questions....
"Did they have gesture based Kinetic Scrolling before the iPhone?" No answer.
"Did they have Multi Touch gestures such as pinch to zoom before the iPhone?" No answer.

Gwydion says:

@Dragonlfy My fault, the 7650 used the proximity sensor to activate or disactivate the hands free mode. Bad memory.
iPhone doesn't use accelerometer or light sensor to dim the screen while in call, it uses the proximity sensor. Another phone which used proximity sensor to dim the screen was the LG Prada, and it was the first capacitive and finger only phone.
It was an XDA Flame and a 3rd party program.
I have responded to technology that was available before the iPhone was released.

Dragonfly says:

"Another phone which used proximity sensor to dim the screen was the LG Prada, and it was the first capacitive and finger only phone."
Errrr, sorry try again. I didn't ask about a capacitive touch screen, that patent is not in dispute.
Once again try again, the Prada did not use a proximity sensor. I know because I've used that too. The LG incite got that about a year after the iPhone was released.
"Did they have gesture based Kinetic Scrolling before the iPhone?” No answer.
“Did they have Multi Touch gestures such as pinch to zoom before the iPhone?” No answer.

Gwydion says:

@Dragonfly My God, I have used also a Prada
Ps, your lasts sentences, I have responded to it, read my last sentence in the prior post

solar_plexus says:

No Offense, but I think you miss the point of a lot of folks frustration. You are 100% right in your assertions. No other "phone" did any of this.
No one disputes that the iphone brings together lots of things in an innovative platform altogether. But nitpicking about the little things goes against innovation.
"Did phones use gestures on a touch screen to unlock the phone?"
Seriously? Would any one give a flying crap if that stupid slid thing went away. I hate that thing anyway. It really adds nothing to the phone. BUT since it is in play, using gestures was around before the smartphone existed - ask anyone with a Wacom tablet. Just because Apple used it in a phone does't mean they should rightly own that idea. (although apparently legally they can...but most are upset with Patent Law and Corporate use of it for shady purposes) That is like saying that Ford patents the use of rubber wheels on a device designed to run on plastic tracks. So Apple used gestures to unlock a phone. They didn't invent gestures. They didn't even invent multi-touch gestures.
"Did they have gesture based Kinetic Scrolling before the iPhone?"
Again, sure they put it on a mobile phone first, but that sort of scrolling- in different implementations, was available on computers. Forgive me for not remembering the program - it was one of those note taking programs like Evernote. Anyway, again - they put it on a mobile device, doesn't mean they invented the idea. If I decide to put bronze window tint on my computer monitor, and I am the first to do it, I can't patent it. Well maybe I can nowadays, but does that make it right?
"Did they have Multi Touch gestures such as pinch to zoom before the iPhone?"
Can mess with this one.......I know multi-touch existed, and I know gestures existed, putting the 2 together seems like just waiting for the technology to catch up. Which used to be protected under Patent Law....aparantly not anymore.
"Did they use light sensors and accelerometers to switch the screen off when the phone was held to the users face during a phone call?"
Again.....they didn't INVENT using light sensors and accelerometers in a phone. They used them for a specific purpose. So What? Plenty of people use Garbage pails for trash. I decided to use them as a drum set, does that mean I can patent the use of garbage pails as drums?
"If I’m wrong, then please show a phone that had these set of features before the iPhone. These are just some of the things Apple is suing HTC for, as far as I’m concerned Apple have every right to defend themselves and their IP. If others want to compete, they need to come up with their own set of ideas."
So the point I am trying to make is this:
There is a HUGE difference in innovating and building upon something someone else did. Apple invented NONE of these things. They use them in different ways - and never radically different ways.
Apple gets credit for the first modern GUI. And they should get credit for making the GUI usable. Did they invent it? No.
In the same light. Apple gets credit for bringing a lot of features to the smartphone world. Did they invent any of them? No. So why should they get exclusive domain.
And Again, I understand that legally they probably have a leg to stand on, but their ethics still suck.
And I think many folks agree.

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Dragonfly says:

" I understand that legally they probably have a leg to stand on, but their ethics still suck. And I think many folks agree."
Take a look at this
there is a world outside of tech blogs.
Most of your points hold no wieght because you're approaching this issue from a moralistic stand poin, this is business, not a game. The simple fact is that Apple hold these patents and have every right to defend them or risk losing them because of inaction. And the fact that no one on this blog has managed to name a single handset with the list of features that Apple are suing for just proves my point. Apple have every right to sue.

Gwydion says:

"Take a look at this"
macdailynews? And you're talking about a world outside?
"And the fact that no one on this blog has managed to name a single handset with the list of features that Apple are suing for just proves my point."
Even if reality knocks you, you will still saying the same things. My God, only Apple is right, Apple has invented everything, everyone else copycats. My God, do you people really believe that? Lord, this is blindness.

Dragonfly says:

@Gwydion, It's not about Apple being right, its about the facts. Apple has the right to profit from the millions of dollars they sank into research and development in order to create the iPhone. If I worked my a** off to create something special and someone less talented came along and started ripping me off, I'd be pretty pi**ed and I'm sure you would too if you were in that situation.

Solar_Plexus says:

I disagree. All of my points hold merit BECAUSE they are ethical points (morals and ethics are 2 different things...ethics inplies consistancy and Patent Law is not consistant)
I am not arguing the fact that the claims may or may nor be legal. But ethical? Bleh.
And really? You are looking at a macdailynews poll as a world outside? Interesting.....I won't even touch that one....
And to be honest the iphone is not much more than a highly evolved Palm OS device anyway (sorry but look at them and its true) I mean, you understand that if Other industries had done the same thing as apple we might not ever have Jet Airliners, Modern Cars, Central Heat, AC Electricity....etc......
Put another way, you see it as Apple protecting their assets.(This: the same company who bragged about stealing ideas from othe rcompanies) Many of us see it as Apple attempting to stiffle innovation.
You have your opinion we have ours. But don't say our opinions don't have merrit because they are based on ethics.

Dragonfly says:

@ Solar_Plexus "Many of us see it as Apple attempting to stiffle innovation."
Copying someone else's ideas, where's the innovation in that?

solar_plexus says:

Wow...really...after all of this you STILL miss the point?
Sorry...much respect for you, but this is going no where.

Carlos A. says:

I love Apple iPhone... My brother have HTC...
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Whorendous says:

Apple, I used to like you. I used to think you were great. I even wanted an iphone for myself and waited for you to patch a deal with Verizon. And you never did. (Your fault, mind you.) Then Google brings the Nexus One to life. The smartphone that I've been waiting for Verizon to have. And now because you think you can patent anything and squash innovation, so you can have the world begging at your feet for the next toy you come up with, I might not get the chance to have a good phone. Thank you, Apple for raping me hard in the ass without lube.