Comments on: Round Robin: TiPb vs. Palm Treo Pro Final Review

By: adenocarcinoma lung treatment

adenocarcinoma lung treatment — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:32:54 +0000

Very nice list.

By: Blaise Navarro

Blaise Navarro — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:29:43 +0000

I for one have the palm treo and I love it. I’m not trying to sync it with a mac so I have zero problems with it from my computer. As for the keyboard, I went from a palm 750 (yeah the big blue and silver bulky thing) to a Samsung Eternity (no keyboard just touch screen) and now the palm pro and I love my keyboard. Using my keyboard I find Im much faster at texting or typing than with a touchscreen simply because you don’t need to calibrate ur screen for a button to work. iPhone is not that great a machine, I work in a retail company and that phone in particular between both the 3g and the 3gs get returned daily. People love the iPhone but yet most people go through maybe 4-5 of them before one is finally able to make it. Plus if your screen isn’t calibrated just right then your not gonna be hitting the right letters anyway. You also can’t just pick up something to type with on the iPhone because its heat sensitive and only responds to a finger. Give me a hardware keyboard anyday. I actually enjoy the windows mobile 6 os on the pro. Its just like using a home computer rather than all those other phone systems. What do I feel the iPhone has that the pro doesn’t is applications, BUT what do you need all those games for anyway you hardly play all of them all the time and the pro has applications that are more useful. Personally I have a graphing calculator on my pro and my friend has the iPhone calculator app. He even downloaded a supposed graphing application but yet my pro was faster it graphed and found every point we needed while his iphone still thought about how to answer the equation. In my opinion the pro is hands down one of the best phones I have ever owned.

By: langames

langames — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:00:00 +0000

I ve bought, the TREO Pro,it s really great but the 400 Mhz CPU is not enough ;( slow hanling for example with opera mobile.

By: Jazz

Jazz — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:51:40 +0000

Has anyone figured out an easy way to transfer my data from a treo 680 to the treo pro? I can’t retype all the numbers, memos, etc.

By: R. MIller

R. MIller — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 03:12:18 +0000

Judging from all the spelling errors in the replies above, either the respondents were iPhone users or they were using an iPhone.

The iPhone is a beautiful device – a work of art, really. It’s a marvel of industrial design. It’s apps are killer, the form factor is great, the screen and navigation dynamics are superb.

The on-screen keyboard probably costs AT&T and its customers a billion dollars in wrong numbers. It’s obvious (from above) it causes more than its fair share of typos. The screens crack if you’re not careful. I happily browse, message, and text with my Treo 650 on my bus ride home while iPhone users curse their dead batteries.

The iPhone is a cult icon and most of its users treat it as such. It should be renamed iMapompousSnob. People don’t own it to use it as much as to be SEEN using it. It’s the same reason they own a MacBook and drive a Prius.

When the Palm Pre comes out, a lot of people will likely be crying about the money they wasted to buy their iPhone and the money they spend each month on their AT&T data plan.

My Treo is a Toyota Camry to Apple’s Audi TT, but I pay only $5 a month for unlimited data, never run out of juice, and never type a wrong number. If I want to watch a movie, I’ll watch it at home on my plasma television. If I want to play a game…well, adults don’t waste their time with games.

By: Patsfreak

Patsfreak — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:16:59 +0000

Quote "On the iPhone, I just ignore the security warning and it works fine. With the Treo, I could find no way around it. TreoCentral Forum member Conrad gave me awesome directions for manually finding my certificate on my desktop and transferring it to the Treo Pro, but there’s no excuse for that having to be part of the process."

So you endorse a trading ease for security? I am sure your exchange admin loves that attitude!

By: Jorge Costa

Jorge Costa — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:49:22 +0000

Great review, most interesting that it is written by a former palm OS user that currently uses an iPhone. That really enriched the review.

I started using handhelds since the HP48, and since then I have always looked for a combination of great hardware features, an open software development environment and a dedicated developer/user community. This is why I haved used Palm OS PDAs and later all GSM Treos up to date.

My Treo 680 is so tweaked that you can't find any equivalent product out-of-the-box in the market today, feature-wise.

My Treo is all about accessibility, one handed navigation, functionality, versatility. Productivity.

I am fortunate to have the iphone 2G as well. It is physically fragile, prone to slide off your hand and gets scratched easily, and requires both hands to use. It's the most impractical phone I know, even for sms. On the other hand it's made for entertainment, namely Youtube and the wide screen iPod. Forget using the camera for sports or kids snaopshots, they will be blurred. It also has the best mobile browser in the industry, Safari - it just works, pans, zooms in and out, all very smoothly. It's made to be on-line most of the time.

I will wait for the next Palm product, it's been years that I am waiting for a Treo with VGA screen... Productivity and fun, all in one.

By: Michelle (boxer at Treo Central)

Michelle (boxer at Treo Central) — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:29:59 +0000

I want to win an I Phone 3G!

By: Ally

Ally — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:53:24 +0000

I could never get used to palm keyboards. they just seem so tiny and smashed together.

By: Amani

Amani — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:03:15 +0000

Gummy Keyboard buttons?

By: Charlotte

Charlotte — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:47:05 +0000

never owned a palm but would love to! but u must say that the iphone is still more desirable

By: Jordan Hanna

Jordan Hanna — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:46:07 +0000

iPhone is better

By: Jordan Hanna

Jordan Hanna — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 04:50:04 +0000

Idk why

By: Jordan hanna

Jordan hanna — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:39:27 +0000

I always wanted a palm

By: Amani

Amani — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:05:40 +0000

I don’t know how I feel about the palms interface and stuff. It was never very interesting to me.

By: Jordan Hanna

Jordan Hanna — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:04:48 +0000

Pass me the iPhone !

By: Pamina

Pamina — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:20:28 +0000

I’m beginning to think that a Treo Pro + an ipod touch is the magic solution for those of us that can’t decide between something that works well as a business communication and document management device but isn’t very exciting(Pro) and something that is awesome and fun but sucks at things like document editing and calendar/task management (iphone). Those two devices together still aren’t as thick as a fuze, and two devices = twice the battery life! Now if only I had a big pile of extra cash lying around…

By: iphone3G

iphone3G — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:56:35 +0000

I think this Palm looks surprisingly good, not quite an iphone and not conventional but it does look good.

By: Jordan Hanna

Jordan Hanna — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:34:18 +0000

I shall win!

By: bread

bread — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:07:47 +0000

I just upgraded from an old Treo 600 to the Treo Pro. I really like the physical device and the form factor. The keyboard has great 'feel' that surprised me in how a few subtle improvements make a noticeably better typing experience.

However, Windows Mobile is rather disappointing. It is obviously more capable than Palm OS 5 on my old Treo, but WOW! everything is so much more complicated, cumbersome, non-intuitive and actually seems noticeably slower.

By: Anthony

Anthony — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:05:36 +0000

looks cool, but pales compared to my iPhone

By: pinguino1

pinguino1 — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 03:12:00 +0000

I know the iPhone and the Treo Pro have nothing in comon however I would like to ask Rene a couple of questions:

1- What hardware features from the Treo pro you would like to have in the iPhone

2- What functionality in WM you are missing in the iPhone

3- What apps in the Treo Pro would be great in the iPhone?

4- What form factor/looks or design feature from the Treo Pro are missing in the iPhone?

By: Jordan Hanna

Jordan Hanna — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 01:23:03 +0000

Help me win!!

By: jfa

jfa — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 05:42:45 +0000

well I am trying to decide on a replacement for my 750 between the pro the bold or maybe the new curve and the epix fuze or someother wm6.1 phone. I am not sold on the pro totally and I dont really like sliders and I dont know if I can live without a touchscreen and I have to have creation editing of ms office docs on the go so each of the smartphones in the round robin has a lot of proas but a enough negatives to keep me from taking a jump/leap of faith because the faith is not there yet! Thanks for the review

By: pinguino1

pinguino1 — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 04:51:12 +0000

After reading your review and the others I feel that I was not appreciating some of the features that each phone has. However out of the 5 devices, the Treo is the one that I don’t have better feelings yet.

By: libby

libby — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 01:45:09 +0000

very nice review and well balanced too.

By: Jordan Hanna

Jordan Hanna — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:47:23 +0000

It is my favorite phone eva

By: michael livingston

michael livingston — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:46:59 +0000

idk how the iphone could get beat

By: pinguino1

pinguino1 — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:48:35 +0000

I apreciate rene’s review. Beause the iPhone and the Treo are two phones soooo different’s that I’m sure it was hard for Rene to come to the right conclusions. Thanks.

By: Bill

Bill — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:11:35 +0000

Very nice review! I personally do not like the hardware at all like you seemed to, I’m not sure if you really did or not. I think the buttons are put way too close together to get any real speed out of them for typing, you might as well use T9 on a non-smart phone.

By: Jordan Hanna

Jordan Hanna — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:09:33 +0000

It is way better than all phones out there. If it is jailbroken at least.

By: michael livingston

michael livingston — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:21:47 +0000

we already now that the iphone is the best

By: Jordan hanna

Jordan hanna — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:49:49 +0000

beautiful review

By: Jason

Jason — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:30:55 +0000

A great review.

By: Bela

Bela — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:52:45 +0000

I enjoy the ability to customize my hardware and that is the one thing that I miss with the iphone.

Thought the effortlessness and beauty of the product is comforting for my busy schedule. As to Touch Me's comments about the productivity apps for the palm device, since palm has been around for a long time they are way ahead in the app department. Though the quality of the apps made for iphone are good quality.

By: Touch Me

Touch Me — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:49:06 +0000

It would be nice to carry 2 or more devices to cover all the bases but that is impractical for most of us. We compromise and choose the one that performs common tasks plus the special things that matter to us. The 5 phones being reviewed are quite different but I have to wonder exactly what “productivity apps” make the Treo Pro worthwhile compared to some other business-oriented phones like the Bold or Fuze. Indeed, I know many business people who even use the iPhone.

By: pinguino1

pinguino1 — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:44:59 +0000

This probably the bets Treo. Where they will go from here? Get the same thing better and better? or Make a dramitic turn with trents?

By: Tony

Tony — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:57:05 +0000

Well it’s a nice color!

By: ilikephones

ilikephones — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:25:31 +0000

The phones are just too different to please one single person. The differences are huge and important. People that are productive on the Palm and Windows Mobile can’t be on the iPhone for a lack productivity apps. People that want fun and multimedia can’t experience it in ways the iPhone can deliver. I’m glad there are devices like this that cater to my needs. I’ll gladly carry my Windows Mobile phone w/ a front facing keyboard and an ipod touch. My world is complete.

By: Mike M

Mike M — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:23:55 +0000

Fingers need bigger buttons and bigger buttons need bigger screens. Touchscreen is almost pointless otherwise. Palm was closer to touchscreen back in the 90s.

By: Dimietriev

Dimietriev — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:48:40 +0000

I think WM will have to change before stylus goes away, so it’s not necessarily in Palm’s court.

By: Tk

Tk — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:47:28 +0000

definitely the best looking palm but lol still at the stylus

By: Jeff

Jeff — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:00:12 +0000

It’s amazing what a little difference like a flush screen makes in both usability and appearance. This is by far the best looking Palm yet, probably because it’s made by HTC!

By: JimS

JimS — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:46:03 +0000

Thanks for the great review. My phone prior to my 3G iPhone was a Treo 650. I think that was probably the last great Palm phone made (perhaps the 680). Even up to the time I replaced it with the iPhone I still had people oohing and aahing when I pulled the Treo out.

By: Patrick

Patrick — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:46:02 +0000

I’ll take the iPhone over the Palm anyday!

By: HuskyHawk

HuskyHawk — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:00:33 +0000

Nice review Rene, I think you got it right. I don’t really think Palm will be around much longer. I’m really interested to see your take on the Fuze. Why? I just ordered one yesterday, thanks to the CybeMonday deals. Will I keep it? Who knows?

By: Kevin

Kevin — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:44:29 +0000

Thanks for your candid comments. The Palm line in the past had wonderful simplicity and momentum. Things seem to be stalling out. So sad.

By: Ernie

Ernie — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:06:40 +0000

I like my nokia non-smartphone..

By: Roy

Roy — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:15:09 +0000

I do think that Palm has lost a step in recent years, though the Treo Pro is still all-in-all a pretty solid device.

By: yoyobo

yoyobo — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:40:21 +0000

keyboard too cramped looking. how is it typing on it.

By: Tastynuggets

Tastynuggets — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:22:02 +0000

Well put. It does seem that Palm has lost its "mojo."

Physical specs was the focus of the Treo Pro.

By: Jayden0606

Jayden0606 — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:41:34 +0000

Good review. Many of those points are my thoughts as well.

It's not a Palm! It gets confusing at times with Treo Central and WMExperts. Do both sell accessories for the the Pro? Hehe. The Centro is the only current Palm device IMO and Palm needs Nova fast.

By: pinguino1

pinguino1 — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:38:09 +0000

Despite that it has a lot of improved stuuf hardware and software wise, The form factor will never convince me. Small screen, small keyboard.

By: Firas

Firas — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:17:29 +0000

It’s interesting you mention the speaker postion. I have struggled with volume and sound with the original iphone from day one. There are some reports you can poke some of the holes with a pin to break the thin film behind the holes to improve volume. I am not that brave or stupid. Is the speaker is directly behind those pores anyways? If it is why would you position it in an area that is obstructed when the device is docked?

By: Deathscaller

Deathscaller — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:34:34 +0000

i dont know looking at that keyboard, i can’t imagine typing on it im much happier with my iphone.

By: James

James — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:14:09 +0000

It definitely looks nicer than it’s predecessors, but I don’t like the fact that it runs windows mobile…To me, it seems that if you need the physical keyboard, there are other phones much better than this one on the market. Iphone FTW.

By: Steve Sizemore

Steve Sizemore — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:35:41 +0000

Really impressed with the hardware. Can’t wait to see this running Palm OS 2.0. I just like front facing qwerty keyboards.

By: Jordan Hanna

Jordan Hanna — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:14:46 +0000

We already know that iPhone is the best.

By: Dorthensensens

Dorthensensens — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:00:24 +0000

Frankly, the thing looks ok but why do they stick with the ancient windows os?

By: Glenn

Glenn — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:39:01 +0000

Great review I have never owned a palm device and highly doubt I ever will. I just think once your hands, fingers, and mind touch and experience and iPhone nothing else compares and from that point on your married to the most perfect beautiful mobile device ever.

By: Mauricio Tanzi

Mauricio Tanzi — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:20:06 +0000

I like the Treo Pro a lot. In my country I can´t get an iPhone without paying like a $1,000 so i’m trying the iPod Touch to see how it works. This way I’ll understand what it means to have this type of products. Hopefully I’ll be lucky enough to win the prize!

By: BLUELINE

BLUELINE — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:18:14 +0000

Great review, I fully agree having a today type home screen would he great. I know I can get one if I would jail break my phone but I’m just not interested in doing that. I would also like to see some updates done to the standard calender app that cpmes with iPhone 3g. I know they are both small maters bit they ate the things that would make the phone closer to perfect in my opinion.

By: Touch Me

Touch Me — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:12:20 +0000

Well written review! Sad what has happened to the Treo line. The Treo and BB keyboards do have advantages with one-handed operation and many shortcuts, but those small screens are too limiting in this media-oriented world.

By: Bela

Bela — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:08:05 +0000

Do you feel that this phone compares to the Android ?

By: Rochester

Rochester — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:00:40 +0000

I wish the Pro had the 800W "Smile" keyboard. They erred in going to the Centro style which is too small.

-THP

By: Steve

Steve — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:59:11 +0000

(yawns… and waits for more iPhone relevant articles)

By: Rey

Rey — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:40:45 +0000

Good call on the keyboards in the way. Having a disappearing keyboard and large screen for videos is often overlooked.

By: Dimietriev

Dimietriev — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:52:20 +0000

"The next step for Palm will hopefully be a non-square screen. This device with the Bold screen would be impressive (and would likely make Dieter faint)."

So true. One thing that RIM has gone to the bank with is their new screens.

mmm... a capacitive touchscreen Bold

By: iairmanshirk

iairmanshirk — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:43:30 +0000

stop it, the hardware/software is hurting my eyes ;(

By: Justin

Justin — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:25:35 +0000

My last Palm was the Treo 750 and what was infuriating was the difficulty it had running my work email through the Microsoft Exchange. The iPhone on the other hand was pushing e-mail in under 30 minutes. Also, as for your Today Screen request, you can check out “RemindYou,” which is an app for Jailbroken iPhones… it’s great.