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iMore show 391: Apple fanboys

Jim Dalrymple from The Loop joins Rene and Peter to talk about Steve Jobs’ legacy, the SSL/TLS bug, the new Galaxy S5, iPhone 6, iWatch, and Apple TV expectations, and dumb media stories.

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Rene Ritchie

Rene Ritchie is one of the most respected Apple analysts in the business, reaching a combined audience of over 40 million readers a month. His YouTube channel, Vector, has over 90 thousand subscribers and 14 million views and his podcasts, including Debug, have been downloaded over 20 million times. He also regularly co-hosts MacBreak Weekly for the TWiT network and co-hosted CES Live! and Talk Mobile. Based in Montreal, Rene is a former director of product marketing, web developer, and graphic designer. He's authored several books and appeared on numerous television and radio segments to discuss Apple and the technology industry. When not working, he likes to cook, grapple, and spend time with his friends and family.

  • 98% of malware on Android? Where the hell are you guys getting this from? Most of the data I've seen suggest Android is more secure than iOS. iPhone: 304 exploits Android: 29 exploits
  • 98% of malware targeting Android means 98 out of 100 pieces of malware are written against Android. It doesn't mean 98% of Android devices are infected. Technically, it doesn't even mean more devices are infected. It just means the platform has more software written against it. And no, no one suggests Android is more secure than iOS, not even Google's Sudar Pachai:
    We cannot guarantee that Android is designed to be safe, the format was designed to give more freedom. When people talk about 90% of malware for Android, they must of course take into account the fact that it is the most popular operating system in the world. If I had a company dedicated to malware, I would also be addressing my attacks on Android.
    Everything has a cost, including "openness".
  • Open systems are usual more secure than closed ones. More eye balls, more public scrutiny, more independent audits etc. Heck, the recent SSL bug on Apple devices was discovered because the source code is open and thus could be audited by independent entities (Google, I believe in this case). So the openness argument is bogus. Also you guys seem to be making the leap that because more malware targets Android it is somehow less secure than iOS. I think that argument is flawed. More Malware targets Android because it's darn near 80% of the mobile space and growing. And like I posted above there are a lot more exploits and vulnerabilities being discovered in iOS than Android. Here's another article.
  • You don't see the logical fallacies replete in those statements?
  • iOS 7 on my Ipad is malware! No need to get it from outside! Posted via the Android iMore App!
  • I wouldn't bother, Rene ;)
  • I'm here to help!
  • Cool with me, Chief. Whatever floats your boat.
  • It's a fan boy podcast as it's titled. I know you don't want to step on any guests toes but I know you know these stats and what they mean but shouldn't you at least say something to Jim like in all fairness Android has protection by defaultly blocking unknown sauces. It seems like depending the audience you'll stick up for Android or not. Your by no means alone in this. I watch all shows for Windows, Apple, and Google and Leo will say one thing on the Android show and then hold his tongue on the Microsoft show. I don't think Jim really has played with any new Android phones so I don't expect him to know to much about them but lets just make sure everyone knows the correct information.
  • Jim needs to tone down that laugh. It's really objectionable through headphones. I also take some umbridge with his description of how Apple syncing between devices just work, but it doesn't work on other devices. It works fine on Google services too Jim, and according to Paul Thurrot, on the Microsoft side too. I use the Apple stuff myself, but to deny competitor's services don't also work seems disingenuous.
  • It works differently, sure, but you're right.
  • Works being the key word.
  • i don't know about his laugh but Apple syncing DOES NOT JUST WORK. Apple syncing hangs endlessly and locks up itunes. It's been a long standing issue Apple ignores.
  • It seems like at some point Jim did his research and settled on Apple. This seems like he did this a while ago. I don't believe he has the time or the want to even checkout other companies services or products at least where Apple products are concerned. Sometime you have a set of believes and any news or headlines correct or not reinforce your views. To me that seemed the case with Jim. As I said above it seemed like Rene didn't want to tell Jim any of his assertions weren't correct or at least say something to the contrary. I can't count how many times i've heard Rene say on podcasts for this network and Twit that "Google is know for their services." Can Apple get services as good as Google before Google gets design as good as Apple?" It's a little annoying but everyone knows that most everyone who watches this are Apple fans and they usually aren't looking for things that are apple negative. I'm sure a few of us write this kind of stuff doing the chat this way and if Rene did say something to Jim then Rene would have tons of replies asking why he was sticking up for Google. You can't win sometimes.
  • I really enjoyed the podcast yesterday guys. The guitar, the pasty, the camaraderie (;P).
    I really love getting you takes on how the world of Apple is spinning as it helps me develop my perspective on the tech I [enjoy] interacting with on a daily [hourly, if not minutely] basis in many aspects of my life.
    I also really love chatting with the other iMore patrons who feel the same.
    Label me an "iMore Fanboy". (I'll just add the moniker to the list of other things I also really, really enjoy - breathing, eating, sleeping, metal, guitars, gaming, sex... \m/)
  • Guys- I have been a long time listener of Rene and his podcast career. I would like to say after listening to this one, PLEASE PLEASE be careful of the background noise. There were zoo many emails being sent, nails being filed, screen doors opened I almost had to stop playing it. Sorry for the criticism but unless you're on our end its hard to understand. Thanks!
  • Hard to take the guy who says he isn't a apple fanboy (atleast the other guy admits it) mocks blackberry, no explanation on the Android malware comment, the way he says it as if Android is malware infested, pretty much dismisses apples security hole oh it was only a few day. Also just don't like how he talks, if you like Apple products and someone asks you why should I use apple devices, you don't need tell them to f off, you can just give them your opinion, it's like if I ask someone why do you like that movie, there's nothing wrong with it. Who knows maybe that person who asked you why they should use apple may have been convinced. Nothing against imore, I know it's apple orientated site but wish there was little less bias. Comments like no one cares about androids "98%" malware because it's Android but if it was apple it would be news. The reason it isn't big news is because those 98%. Malware exist mainly on 3rd party app stores or pirated app stores. The play store is very good. People listening to this will probably think Android phones that use the official play store is malware infected. It would be nice if when you or your guest drop theses speculative numbers actually explain it rather than say Android has 98% malware and then move in. Posted via the Android iMore App!
  • What a bunch of crap! And the childish laughter at everything not coming from Apple! Posted via the Android iMore App!
  • Making fun of the Samsung smart watches telling it is a stupid product and on the other side totally unable to formulate what an iWatch should be able to do.
  • Love the site. Love the podcast series. Love Rene. But I hope I'm not alone when I say please no more of this guy. I don't think he has used an Android phone is 4yrs and doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. Liking Apple products - fine. But if you are only educated about Apple products then only talk about Apple products and leave the Android anaylsis to someone else. Terrible. Posted via the Android iMore App!