Adobe Flash Blog on iPad/iPhone -- Bad for Games, TV, News... and Porn!

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TheFlashBlog's Lee Brimelow, Platform Evangelist at Adobe "focusing on the Flash, Flex, and AIR developer communities" has put up a series of iPad mockups highlighting a wide range of web sites all showing the blue lego brick of Flash plugin fail -- and they feature the range of games like Farmville, news sites like CNN, TV sites like Hulu, and online porn like... well, you get the idea.

In all fairness porn is underplayed compared to the rest, but that it's played at all by someone from Adobe is -- forgive us -- a ballsy move. Of course easy to access, free, online porn is a major reason a certain segment is upset there's no Flash on the iPhone or iPad. Regardless of your personal feelings one way or another about it, porn is historically a huge early adapter of technology, including VHS, DVD, online video -- no increasingly Flash-based, and even the iPhone via Jailbreak and web apps.

Brimelow is using the visuals, mainstream and adult alike, to point out how ubiquitous Flash is on the 'net, and how Apple shouldn't be calling the iPad (and previously the iPhone), the ultimate browsing experience" when it doesn't include Flash.

That's a valid point, and one Adobe's Photoshop Product Manager John Nack addresses candidly and, in our opinion more convincingly, on his own blog. He made me rethink some preconceptions, so it's well worth a read.

But Apple isn't aiming the iPhone or iPad at the web, or computing, as it is today. They're attempting to reframe their mobile devices as appliances for tomorrow. Yesterday's web was all about Internet Explorer 6 and Microsoft's proprietary ActiveX platform. Today is about Flash. We've moved passed IE6 and ActiveX, and Apple is betting we're moving past Flash as well.

The porn industry, interestingly, will likely be one of the early indicators on whether that ends up being true or not. Along with sites like Hulu, Brimelow's post might just end up being less an inditement of Apple today, but a checkbox for HTML5 conversion tomorrow.

As to gaming, Gruber's right. How would Flash games written for a mouse and keyboard on an iPad -- or iPhone -- anyway? They'd need to convert them for multitouch and fingers anyway, and then why not make an app that fully leverages the hardware?

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my point exactly. What's the point of using this device for internet if I can not browse any of my daily sites? Their should be at least ONE GOOD factor that would blow the consumers away if it's gonna lack sooo many other common feats.I respect Apple but this product isn't worth the hassle of $$$$$ FOR ME. I love my farmville, lol.

Seriously? He mentions news and porn and totally ignores the 700 pound advertising gorilla sitting on every webpage?
Wow. He must think we all fell off the turnip truck.

I just hope Apple bans jpegs on iPad as well. I don't want to be viewing an still porn on my "magical" device either.

Advertising? You REALLY want popup and flash ads on a phone? I think not. If advertisers really want to hit the phone community theyll change their ad formats or else its their problem and our gain from seeing crap ads all over pages.
And I agree Flash will be a niche product in the near future. Its not THAT big a deal. If you REALLY need to watch porn on an iphone/iPad you REALLY need to get out and get laid or a life.
These devices are phones and tablets respectively, they were NEVER marketed as computer replacements.

Actually, Flash and Desktop/Home based OS are moving toward multitouch. I hardly consider support for this a prerequisite to move to OS independent content solutions like Flash. Flash support is a no brainer; don't think for a moment Adobe is willing to part with market share to HTML5. There is no reason to pick sides, support for both is seemingly simple for WebKit -so lets get to it, no?

there are currently websites strictly or porn on your iPhone that open as QuickTime movies. don't ask me how I know ; )

The iPad will rule porn!
I didn't even think about that, but hell yeah, I'm sick of it on my small iPod touch ;)

lol @ how much you spoke about porn in this blog haha. But I will add that some sites have already added iphone os compatible videos a long side their flash videos.
I fully agree with gruber, mouse and keyboard flash games wont work well direction on the safari.

It's 100% about porn. 100%.
*waaaaa I can't view my porn on my iPad, waaaaaa"
Maybe Abode should spend more time trying to ensure there platform isn't the primary way for minors to view hardcore porn - then maybe they can worry about Apples position.

@frog
Last time I checked, Adobe wasn't responsible for raising everybody's children. It's not Adobe's fault that irresponsible/ignorant/stupid (pick one) parents don't monitor what their kids do on a freely unrestricted internet connection.

Flash destroyed QuickTime. Why would Apple help them now?
I have been using my iPhone for over a year and there's only 1 site I miss flash on, and it's because of the site's menu.
It would be nicer to have a flash led for pictures than adobe flash.

Regardless of whether or not you watch porn, i doubt it is the deciding factor for why flash isn't supported. I think the whole idea of now having it is stupid and the fact the iPad doesn't support it changes my perspective. Many of the sites I go on daily are flash based... What a turn off

I thought the 2G through 3gs was not powerful enough to run flash. This ipad should be more than powerful enough. Apple needs to realize that it can still sell a boatload of apps designed for the ipad/iphone AND have flash based programs.

Don't really care if it supports flash. On my desktop I run Firefox and use Flashblock. I like not having to see and deal with all the Flash crap out there. And Flash games suck.

@CJ
Assuming it sells well enough that ahem racy sites distribute compatible content, the iPad will in short order become the preferred platform for porn. Cupertino could not have designed a more porn-consumption-friendly device had they made that their primary goal. The iPad is lightweight, cordless, and intended to be used on a away from a desk, on a bed or a couch. If that was not enough, the software is purposefully designed for simple one-handed operation. The iPad is quite simply the dream device for millions of dirty old men.
By frog's logic, that means Apple is nothing but a bunch of smut peddlers.

Wow the ignorance about Flash is amazing. Block flash from your web browsing...? Dude do you block stop signs and and street lights when you drive.
Do you think if Flash was not in existence there would be no advertising? There will always be ads people. Its the way it works Flash or not. Dont knock Flash because you dont understand how media portals work in a capitalistic society.
If Flash was supported on the iPad i would buy one but im not shelling out the cash for a limited web experience. When this savior called html5 that you all talk about(but know nothing about) replaces all the Flash on the web then I'll buy one. Should only be a few years...

I block flash on my MacBook, no need for it.
I also heard one point raised - how do you play those flash games, with no keyboard or mouse?

@Me Block stop signs, LOL, really? Speakig of ignorance... HTML5 and WebGL will replace the bloated malware delivery vehicle known as Flash. We don't think that if there were no flash there would be no ads, we just think the ads would be way the hell less irritating.

That Me guy is an idiot! Stop signs and stop lights are the law. How stupid are you. One thing is those stupid flash ads are made just for people like you. I'm amazed that your able to survive in this world the you think. Just for you I got this super duper fast flash able computer.

Well...I'm just confused.
Everyone one is complaining about ads. Flash is the main way of supplying those. So if HTML5 becomes the new mainstay...wouldn't they just make ads through that?
And then would you be bashing HTML5? Does anyone actually think before they post their rants? Or do they just hit the keyboard first, then think never?

@IDavey
Flash ads are particularly annoying. I keep my toshiba running clean with it locked down as much as possible to avoid fllash ads.
I will be very happy if Flash never arrives on the iPhone or ipad. They can incorporate ads in the manner they already do in some apps in the app store. No clunky, virus carrying, poorly executed Flash.

Ads are fine, they make money &/or cover costs for some really good free content.
I don't want those ads crippling performance, and acting as malware etc...

I keep hearing about how Flash won't be around in 5 years. Great, make Gen 5 of the iPad without it. Fact of the matter is, in 2010 flash is a huge part of the Internet. Count me as someone who will not buy the ipad because if the lack of Flash.

Go to Settings > Safari > Flash > Enable/Disable
Is that too much to ask for? A choice?
To be honest, if I were to buy iPad, I would probably want Firefox. Safari on my iPhone will suffice, but 'the best browsing experience' is not on Safari.
Perhaps Apple should allow Adobe to make a plugin to be bought through the App store for... let's say... $10-$20. Is that not a fair compromise?
Apple ought to treat their customers with some respect and give them a choice. I'm not two years old, I know what I want and the more I'm told what I want the more I feel like boycotting and joining the Apple hate club.

If you were to be around the internet before youtube you'd know that Flash isn't just about ads or video. It's interactive vector animation the likes of which no other dev app can match.
HTML5 can not do everything that Flash can so think before you speak.

@Kaiks
Go to Settings > Safari > Flash > Enable/Disable
Is that too much to ask for? A choice?
AMEN.... COME ON APPLE AT LEAST GIVE THE MILLIONS OF IPHONE/ITOUCH OWNERS A CHOICE... IT'S NOT ASKING FOR TOO MUCH U WILL CATER TO MANY MORE FOLKS.... IF SOME USERS DONT WANT THE SLOW LOADING WEBPAGES THEY CAN TURN IT OFF.... OR IF UR THE USER WHO WANTS TOO WATCH HULU U CAN....
GIVE US A CHOICE APPLE. PRETTY PLEASE!

You know i'm sick of all the bashing.If youre happy to use something else, then get on with it. If Apple want to approve everything that runs on their machines, that's up to them and if their users don't mind that, then whats the problem? I think it makes sense and think thats why PC users have so many problems with Windows. At least Apple's way of approving things first, makes sure that everything works smoothly on their machines. I just think that there are lots of choices for people to use whatever makes them happy. If someone feels superior using Microsoft, or Android, or whatever... so what? How does it affect someone who doesn't chose to use it?

I think it is incorrect to say that Apple is planning for the future and that is why they are not including flash support on their current devices. This logic does not make sense. If that was their plan, why would they come out with an updated device on a yearly basis? Let's face it, smart phones are not meant to last you for several years. Flash may be gone in 5 years, but none of us will be using our iPhone 3GS or original iPad at that time either! Technology changes too quickly. Why not support the technology of the current times on the current devices, but have the coding prepared to update their future devices as the technology changes are adapted by the general public? That would make much more sense.

For many years I have had the misfortune to be hit with the "looks nice but can't do the job" bomb that Apple often plants. So I left them alone for a while. Then came the iPhone / iPod touch so I jumped back in. Once again Apple are left, along with their die hard fans coming up with snobby excuses for what they can't deliver. I am now using one of the many other smart phones that can provide the "full" internet experience for a fraction of the price.

"But Apple isn’t aiming the iPhone or iPad at the web, or computing, as it is today. "
Too bad they are selling it today and their customers are going to be stuck using it today. Maybe that should be their tagline "All the cool stuff on the web will work on the iPad.... but not for a long while."

@ macboy15 (32)
Ah, spoken like a true Apple fanboi. Any valid criticism is immediately dismissed as 'bashing'...

700 pound advertising Gorilla?
This Gorilla will soon be a Javascript Gorilla in HTML 5 too (ie the minefields of js popup links already there).. dunce heads.
Once again, Flash Hating has no foundation whatsoever.

@zeagus + all other Flash Haters, you all have no idea how HTML5 and the new Javascripting techniques are going to work EXACTLY like flash does. Flash or no Flash, it is still possible for JS to trump an entire page with animations and underhanded ways to circumvent your page layout to deliver ADS.
Jeez you people.. learn the technologies before you start talking.

Flash has become an over used commodity that just about anyone can produce badly. Flash would ruin the iPhone and iPod Touch by usurping the excellent process that Apple has in place to support their SDK, platform, competent developers, and most of all excellent user experience. Flash has already contributed to ruining the web experience by adding an annoying animated layer to every webpage bringing web browsing to a slow crawl. Hats off to Apple for creating an experience that people enjoy and feel good paying for. No Flash ever please.

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Well I love apple I have iPhone ,iPad,MacBook ,but now with all the restrictions that apple have, when the new tablets come out I will be looking at them ,if iPad 2 dose not have flash on it I will buy a new tablet other than apple ,how can apple be so smart and yet so stupid at the some time

Quick question that's totally off topic. Do you know how to make your site mobile friendly?