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	<title>Comments on: TiPb Answers: Why No Flash Video on the iPhone?</title>
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		<title>By: CameraBoys</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2008/09/29/tipb-answers-why-no-flash-video-on-the-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-670372</link>
		<dc:creator>CameraBoys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As an end user here in the US, I bought the iphone assuming I would be able to ditch my ipod with its huge hard drive and just stream everything I wanted. Sadly, since most developers out there are using Flash and not QuickTime, I am pretty much screwed. Hulu.com is a great, but only one of many, examples of this. It would be well worth the commercials to be able to stream their content rather than have to convert the video and transfer it to my ipod. As someone who travels a lot, and spends lots of times waiting for airplanes, I am sorely disapointed not to have Flash on my iPhone. FanCast.com, CBS.com, and just about all the other free and paid streaming TV and Movie sites are off limits to my iPhone, so I am still stuck lugging around a laptop everywhere I go!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an end user here in the US, I bought the iphone assuming I would be able to ditch my ipod with its huge hard drive and just stream everything I wanted. Sadly, since most developers out there are using Flash and not QuickTime, I am pretty much screwed. Hulu.com is a great, but only one of many, examples of this. It would be well worth the commercials to be able to stream their content rather than have to convert the video and transfer it to my ipod. As someone who travels a lot, and spends lots of times waiting for airplanes, I am sorely disapointed not to have Flash on my iPhone. FanCast.com, CBS.com, and just about all the other free and paid streaming TV and Movie sites are off limits to my iPhone, so I am still stuck lugging around a laptop everywhere I go!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2008/09/29/tipb-answers-why-no-flash-video-on-the-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-16303</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the great answer TiPB! As you probably surmised, it&#039;s only the video element of Flash that I miss particularly. I would be content with your solution using a player that permitted or interpreted Flash video without the other elements of Flash as a compromise.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jason - Note that my original question included Hulu &quot;or other Flash based video.&quot; I did not intend to suggest that Hulu alone was Apple&#039;s intended exclusion, but rather other video formats/portals in general (although Hulu has gotten a lot of attention in the market where most iPhones are sold. And their parent company  - NBC - has had a high-profile squabble with Apple over the iTunes store). Moreover, I did not state this as a certainty - &quot;I’ve wondered if this isn’t exactly Apple’s intent...&quot; I&#039;ve wondered. Thus the submission as a question. Big difference between curiosity and myopia.  In fact, to confuse the two probably requires a little of the latter.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Either way, it wouldn&#039;t be the first sign of myopia that I&#039;ve displayed. But Apple is hardly immune to wanting their own standards, services, hardware, and applications to prevail. You may be aware of the hubbub regarding the ongoing App Store App rejections based on &quot;competing services&quot; such as Podcaster and MailWrangler. In fact that is just the way large companies that have revenue dependent on their software/formats/portals tend to operate. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also note the TiPB response acknowledges that &quot;politics between Apple and Adobe may be playing a part&quot; in the lack of Flash video for the iPhone. Politics based on what, do you think?  Apple and Adobe have certainly pushed competing applications and formats in the past, and have had plenty of &quot;politics&quot; between them over the years. Surely it&#039;s not a stretch to assume Adobe would like Flash to be an unparalleled standard, NBC would like Hulu to be the dominant video portal (at least in the US) and Apple would like iTunes to be the dominant video portal (and would like Quicktime to replace Flash video where it is used).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Keep in mind I&#039;m not blaming Apple. I bought my first Mac in 1991 (could have been 92?) - after years of empty-pocketed lust. I&#039;m a fan. I&#039;m not chastising Apple. I don&#039;t consider them evil. I don&#039;t particularly care about competing Apps in the App Store (although, I&#039;m not a developer with a competing App). I prefer Apple to come out on top in any disputes with Adobe or any other major corporation. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nevertheless, the bottom line is that I don&#039;t want to pay to watch a television program on iTunes that I can watch for free on Hulu, or other service. One of the great things about the iPhone is video capability. For what I&#039;m paying every month for my iPhone (not to mention the initial $299), I don&#039;t want to go to a site and not be able to view the contents because of the limitations of my iPhone&#039;s software. Particularly if it is a very common format.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m sure that security is an issue with Flash - and I don&#039;t want that compromised either. If that&#039;s the sole issue, and their is no way around it that will allow Flash video on the iPhone without a serious decline in security, then so be it. Question answered. Perhaps the video-only workaround TiPB suggested is what Adobe and Apple are working on. I suppose in the long run that you are right - we&#039;ll just have to wait and see. Meanwhile, I don&#039;t see any harm in speculation.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great answer TiPB! As you probably surmised, it's only the video element of Flash that I miss particularly. I would be content with your solution using a player that permitted or interpreted Flash video without the other elements of Flash as a compromise.</p>

<p>Jason - Note that my original question included Hulu "or other Flash based video." I did not intend to suggest that Hulu alone was Apple's intended exclusion, but rather other video formats/portals in general (although Hulu has gotten a lot of attention in the market where most iPhones are sold. And their parent company  - NBC - has had a high-profile squabble with Apple over the iTunes store). Moreover, I did not state this as a certainty - "I’ve wondered if this isn’t exactly Apple’s intent..." I've wondered. Thus the submission as a question. Big difference between curiosity and myopia.  In fact, to confuse the two probably requires a little of the latter.</p>

<p>Either way, it wouldn't be the first sign of myopia that I've displayed. But Apple is hardly immune to wanting their own standards, services, hardware, and applications to prevail. You may be aware of the hubbub regarding the ongoing App Store App rejections based on "competing services" such as Podcaster and MailWrangler. In fact that is just the way large companies that have revenue dependent on their software/formats/portals tend to operate. </p>

<p>Also note the TiPB response acknowledges that "politics between Apple and Adobe may be playing a part" in the lack of Flash video for the iPhone. Politics based on what, do you think?  Apple and Adobe have certainly pushed competing applications and formats in the past, and have had plenty of "politics" between them over the years. Surely it's not a stretch to assume Adobe would like Flash to be an unparalleled standard, NBC would like Hulu to be the dominant video portal (at least in the US) and Apple would like iTunes to be the dominant video portal (and would like Quicktime to replace Flash video where it is used).</p>

<p>Keep in mind I'm not blaming Apple. I bought my first Mac in 1991 (could have been 92?) - after years of empty-pocketed lust. I'm a fan. I'm not chastising Apple. I don't consider them evil. I don't particularly care about competing Apps in the App Store (although, I'm not a developer with a competing App). I prefer Apple to come out on top in any disputes with Adobe or any other major corporation. </p>

<p>Nevertheless, the bottom line is that I don't want to pay to watch a television program on iTunes that I can watch for free on Hulu, or other service. One of the great things about the iPhone is video capability. For what I'm paying every month for my iPhone (not to mention the initial $299), I don't want to go to a site and not be able to view the contents because of the limitations of my iPhone's software. Particularly if it is a very common format.</p>

<p>I'm sure that security is an issue with Flash - and I don't want that compromised either. If that's the sole issue, and their is no way around it that will allow Flash video on the iPhone without a serious decline in security, then so be it. Question answered. Perhaps the video-only workaround TiPB suggested is what Adobe and Apple are working on. I suppose in the long run that you are right - we'll just have to wait and see. Meanwhile, I don't see any harm in speculation.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To think that Apple doesn&#039;t have Flash primarily to keep out Hulu is WAY too myopic. Sure, it&#039;s a competitor to iTunes, but only kind of. The reasons given in the article are most of the reason. Mainly, as Rene stated, remember that Adobe has to make a version of the Flash player for the iPhone. Until that happens, there&#039;s nothing you, nor I, nor Apple, nor anyone else can do about it. If and when it happens, then we might find out if Apple is opposed to Flash support or not, not before.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To think that Apple doesn't have Flash primarily to keep out Hulu is WAY too myopic. Sure, it's a competitor to iTunes, but only kind of. The reasons given in the article are most of the reason. Mainly, as Rene stated, remember that Adobe has to make a version of the Flash player for the iPhone. Until that happens, there's nothing you, nor I, nor Apple, nor anyone else can do about it. If and when it happens, then we might find out if Apple is opposed to Flash support or not, not before.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: christomapher</title>
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		<dc:creator>christomapher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@James:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is a solution.  It&#039;s already possible with PDANet and jailbreaking your iPhone.  The options open up exponentially when you jailbreak.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have video recording, picture messaging, copy and paste, phone search, different themes, different SMS sounds, finder, tethering and even the flashlight automatically brightens the screen brightness when I open up the application.  :)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Some people don&#039;t want to risk jailbreaking but I say it&#039;s definitely worth it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James:</p>

<p>There is a solution.  It's already possible with PDANet and jailbreaking your iPhone.  The options open up exponentially when you jailbreak.</p>

<p>I have video recording, picture messaging, copy and paste, phone search, different themes, different SMS sounds, finder, tethering and even the flashlight automatically brightens the screen brightness when I open up the application.  <img src='http://www.imore.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

<p>Some people don't want to risk jailbreaking but I say it's definitely worth it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2008/09/29/tipb-answers-why-no-flash-video-on-the-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-16198</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Will there be wmv or wma support on the iphone? I would like to listen to some radio stations that currently are not on the web apps but still stream on the web.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And is Apple/AT&amp;T going to have a tethering solution or is that just a pipe dream?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will there be wmv or wma support on the iphone? I would like to listen to some radio stations that currently are not on the web apps but still stream on the web.</p>

<p>And is Apple/AT&amp;T going to have a tethering solution or is that just a pipe dream?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: frog</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2008/09/29/tipb-answers-why-no-flash-video-on-the-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-16156</link>
		<dc:creator>frog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I see no need for flash on the iPhone.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2008/09/29/tipb-answers-why-no-flash-video-on-the-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-16155</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here in the UK the BBC has produced a mobile version of the BBC iPlayer website using Quicktime. It enables viewing of the last 7 days of BBC TV and Radio on the iPhone via WiFi only. Another great reason to get the iPhone.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Christie</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2008/09/29/tipb-answers-why-no-flash-video-on-the-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-16154</link>
		<dc:creator>Christie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I definitely don&#039;t want my iPhone&#039;s security to be compromised!..&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Keil Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keil Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;java opens up a mess of problems and non uniformity... Just confusing the user. It&#039;s a mac. Write code to thier standards to provide uniformity, or don&#039;t. Simply put.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>java opens up a mess of problems and non uniformity... Just confusing the user. It's a mac. Write code to thier standards to provide uniformity, or don't. Simply put.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Druce</title>
		<link>http://www.imore.com/2008/09/29/tipb-answers-why-no-flash-video-on-the-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-16152</link>
		<dc:creator>Druce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sadly, this is never going to happen.  Apple wants to control the media distribution on the iPhone, and they want to support the application support on the iPhone.  Apple will never support Flash for the same reason they will never support Java:  They want to be the gatekeepers to any application you run on your iPhone.  opening up to Flash (or Java) opens up the potential of a App Store competitor.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, this is never going to happen.  Apple wants to control the media distribution on the iPhone, and they want to support the application support on the iPhone.  Apple will never support Flash for the same reason they will never support Java:  They want to be the gatekeepers to any application you run on your iPhone.  opening up to Flash (or Java) opens up the potential of a App Store competitor.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Keil Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keil Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why don&#039;t sites start using QuickTime. It&#039;s supported on a wider scale. Problem solved for video. YouTube did it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don't sites start using QuickTime. It's supported on a wider scale. Problem solved for video. YouTube did it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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