Thanks!

I think most of you guys fail to remember that the two Steve's of apple were hackers in their younger years as well.

There are two sides to everything, the good and the bad. some people choose to use it for bad.

Any individual should have the right to jailbreak their own phone as when you buy the phone its now your property, not on lease from apple. you void the warranty when you jailbreak so that relieves apple of their obligation to support that device.

Please explain how a major corporation can enter into a legal binding contract with a person that has no legal representation. If one did have legal representation and were going to sign aforementioned contract they would advise that you not sign it. Since it takes away all your rights as the consumer. But please teach me the errors of my ways,

Another point is that one in no way needs any Apple software to write an application for the iPhone or iPod Touch. It can be written on any device, and then compiled to run on the devices. No Apple software is required AT ALL. Since you seem to think Apple is looking out for the developers in the iPhone development program lets talk about, and that they don't take money out of people pockets. Seems there was an app in the app store last go around that allowed users to record voice memos. Well guess what developers app now is not offered in the App store because it violates the "No direct competition with Apple clause" OR maybe we should discuss iSendMMS that was available int eh App store, but now that Apple implemented MMS it's been kicked out of the App store. WOW that sure looks like Apple looking after it's developers. Have you read through the iPhone developers programs contract with developers? I have and that was my first tip to something being extremely wrong with the situation. It's all one sided, and being a contract is illegal since the developers do not have legal representation.

SO EvilHomer I am still waiting for even a simple and brief explanation of how these contracts are legal. Apple is banking on the fact that 99.9% of people do not know those terms of agreements would not stand up in a court of law. Oh but we forget that apple has already proven they have a federal judge on their payroll. Doubt that fact? Then explain how they got the Anti Trust violation claims thrown out in the Pystar case. That was a legitimate argument. 100% legitimate and two months later validated even though Pystars lawyers are too stupid to have pointed it out, when it was found that Google and Apple were sharing board members. Don't even try to say the two aren't connected. Someone made a claim that Apple was violating Anti Trust laws, the claim was thrown out of court, but at the exact same time Apple was indeed violating Anit Trust laws. One can hide from the facts all they want, but trying to say Apple is squeaky clean is laughable. To defend their transgressions is deplorable. You sir stepped in a pile and the stink doesn't wash off so easy, especially when what's causing the stink is all over your nose and tongue and your only washing your feet.

Good point Joe. SBsettings puts Apple's settings to shame.

Jailbreaking an iPhone should be viewed more like taking an amature athelet and making them world class. It merely allows for improvement. As far as Apple is concerned one should only do things their way, and only use accessories approved by them. Hogwash! If I want to crack my iphone open and install 2 gig of ram I can! If I hadn't promised to regift the 1st gen i bought my wife now that she bought me a 3G S and is using my 3G i would have torn it assunder and violated it's techy bits, and it's would have been well with in my rights. Apple doesn't have to replace it. I wouldn't have gone to Apple expecting replacement if any of my devices had suffered a catastrophic event due to my actions. I guess that's what makes me a decent person, I take responsibility for my own actions, and I own up to my mistakes. I even when shown my view points are wrong can change them accordingly, but since no one can give honest not Apple PR reasons I will continue to express them.

Seriously I'll take the time to make a new cute iPhone character, but I don't expect the iPirate to be put out to pasture. Perhaps jsut a disclaimer that jailbreaking is NOT pirating.

Jailbreaking doe not open the door to steal apps. It does open the door to installing said stolen apps, but like most closed minded people you are trying to completely erase personal responsibility, and accountability for the picture. If one were to take your logic and expand it. Then the sun causes cancer and it should be properly, and promptly dispatched.

Making a personal attack and trying to say I've never sold any intellectual property is a huge load of crap. I've had someone steal my portfolio and be stupid enough to try and come to me to get a job with it, after others that from looking at it knew it was my work and directed him back to me. I've seen my work used in adds that I gave no expressed consent for, or even had any knowledge of it being used until I saw it. Don't try to tell me what I have and have not done. Jailbreaking is not the problem. It's just one piece in a puzzle.

Stop licking Apple's sack. Apple does not care one bit about you or anyone else for that matter.

People are responsible for their own actions. If someone uses or distributes pirated Apps it's all on them. No one forces anyone to use cracked Apps. Stop letting Apple dictate your thoughts. There are perfectly good reasons for Jailbreaking ones device. Not every one is using pirated Apps. At times I've agreed with you, but now I have to rethink my opinion of you. You took something that has nothing to do with you and made it personal. Are you Steve Jobs? No! So calm your little typing fingers down. You made a personal attack on me for no reason. Simply because I see things different than you. Wow that shows a sever lack of character, and self esteem. I could drop down to your level and

Now for the matter of The all powerful Apple. Look you can sit there and feel that Apple is above reproach, but they are very well trying to maintain a MONOPOLY, and that is a far larger fish. Apple is also using every developer in the App Store. Sure the App store provides a common safe place to show off wares, but That doesn't mean it should be the only place for it. One can not just over look Apple transgressions, and there are transgressions. Let's not get it twisted. What really tipped me off to Apples underhandedness was the fact that they made bootcamp to run outside OS's. Well that in it's self is fine and dandy, and has a legit reson. Maybe people new to Macs need a safe and familar place to start. That's cool, but to try and crush an upstart company like Pystar for doing the exact same thing is wrong. I can understand your view point, but there is a serious flaw in your Terms of Agreement arguement, and that flaw is that a corporation CAN NOT enter into a legal agreement with any party that is not properly represented by legal council. That is a fact. so that terms of agreement for licensing is a sham, and is unlawful. Sorry but that is a fact. We can't jsut pick and choose what parts of the law we want to uphold. It's not fair and it's flat out wrong! You want to sit up in the balcony and scream down at the peasants, but you are failing to notice that you are being used. The truely sad part is that while I am willing to read your point and think and consider it, You just sit there and refuse to even hear anyone else's points. I do not understand why Apple lovers can't even give an opposing view a second thought.

It's fact that Apple and Google were sharing board members. Any high school business student could tell you that's wrong. If a major corporation is as bold as to so openly break the law when they have a large team of legal consultants, then they have discussed it and decided they just don't care to work with in the law. It also stands to reason that before they got so brazen as to openly defy the law that they were getting away with other sinister things that no one has called them on.

No matter how one looks at it worshiping Apple and believing they can do no wrong is foolish. Things are only conspiracy theories till they are proven right. Just because you refuse to look at Apple in a light that might not be appealing doesn't mean you are right. It doesn't mean I am right, but until someone can explain how it's ok for Apple to allow the running of other OS's on their hardware, and then say it's unlawful for their OS to run on outside hardware I will continue to stand by my view that Apple is up to no good. Until someone can give me a good reason why Apple needs to mark up the cost of the iPhone buy 400%+ and then give it away free in other countries I will stand by my view that Apple is gouging U.S. consumers. Until someone can give me a good reason why Apples copy and paste works like a combination of two jailbroken copy and paste apps, and that until those were released Apple's official statement on the matter was "It's not even going to consider it" Sure Apple has the right to change their mind, but it's the best of two outside apps mashed together. Apple has no right to tell anyone what they can and can not do with something they paid good money for, and that is the bottom line! When one jailbreaks they know damn well it voids the warranty. If you can't afford to buy a new one don't do it. No one is forcing anyone to jailbreak, and NO ONE is forcing anyone to use pirated Apps. It really is a simple fix. If Apple would allow devs to assign personal serial numbers to apps or to have end users register the app with a legit email that only allowed one or two maybe for family use more then the pirating could be curtailed. Apple does not allow this because Apple knows damn well they sell more over priced units when it's easier to steal the apps than to buy them. That is Apple screwing the devs for Apple's own gain. There is no logical reason for Apple to deny devs a way to fully protect their wares. Apple is a middle man that's demanding a handout for consumers and a kick back from devs. Kick backs are very illegal. It's funny how you want to shout down all the pirates, but you refuse to even admit that Apple is jsut as much a criminal in the matter as any pirate. Open your eyes and your mind at least for one second.

I appologize to all others. I had no intention of turning this thread into a Why Apple is so wrong thread. I simply meant to point out that jailbreaking is not the real issue. Jailbreaking doe not equal pirating. Just because the majority of people in this world have no moral compass does not mean anything that can be used for wrong should be outlawed. If that were the case people should not be allowed to live, for anything can be used as a tool for wrong. people need to stop blaming others. There is a huge lack of personal responsibility in this world. It's always someone else's fault. It's the schools fault or the governments, or or or or.... B.S.

I jailbroke S with purplera1n yesterday easiest jailbreak to date, thanks kid!

@Evilhomer you're funny.

Unless you can prove that Apple stole any code from anyone, you are just another conspiracy theory nut claiming that we didn't go to the moon. All those apps that were written by the bootleg devs were done ON AND WITH APPLES SOFTWARE.

The problem with some of you loudmouths is that you've never developed, marketed, and sold a piece of software or any other intellectual property in your life in your life. You've never had a bunch of punks hack and steal your intellectual property that took money out of your pocket.

The problem with your SCREWDRIVER theory is that it's just like a slim jim to pop a lock on a car. True, there might be a legit use for it by certain professions. But 99 times out of 100, it's going to be used to steal one. Just like jailbreaking the iPhone opens the door to steal apps. And you are one of those who did. You know you did. I can tell by your rant post again Apple. They deserve to to stolen from because they are doing the stealing, right?

Jailbreaking a phone is not illegal and I'm not arguing that. However, the process is a DIRECT GATEWAY to steal from not only Apple, who you hate, but the hardworking software developers. This kid and others like him just made it easier to steal from us in the development community. So excuse the hell of me if it rubs me the wrong way.

This kid is the equivalent of the guy that picks the door lock so the thieves will be able to get in and steal you blind.

I totally agree. Most of the innovation of the iPhone comes from Jailbreak apps. It is free development for Apple.

The statement that if hackers had not been making it possible for people to jailbreak their iPhones we would have had 3.0 a year ago. Well that is not even logical. For one the cool new features that came with 3.0 were first made by 3rd party devs that are part of the jailbreaking community, and then COPIED by Apple. Apple saw that almost every jailbroken iphone had copy and paste, and video recording, full bluetooth implementation, AND some even had voice dial. Last year the Dev-Team stated that their tools had been downloaded 180 times on Apples main corporate connection. So those employees are 1) All thieving app pirates or 2) Know that they can't get the most out of their devices in stock trim or 3) Apple jailbreaks devices tests them against stock and reports fairly 4) Apple grabs open source development projects and then tweaks the code and then implements in house those ideas they feel would most help to keep users form jailbreaking, because once jailbroken the user can cut the cord and shut Apple out of their device if they choose to see fit.

So I lay it on the table and say that hackers made the vast majority of new features that are present in 3.o possible and we all owe them a bit of gratitude! They bring outside developers that Apple see's fit to ignore or worse down play to the table and we all benefit from it. The Dev-Team and the likes greatly improve all your iPhone experiences if you want to acknowledge it or not. Just as unsanctioned racing lead to sactioned racing that all improved our cars, and road safety.

Stop riding Apple's jock for one second and look at eh situation objectively. App pirating bad, jailbreaking not bad.

And Rene could The iPHone Blog please stop using the pirate iPhone for Jailbreaking stories? It paints those that aren't pirating Apps in a bad light that they don't deserve. I'll make you a new iPhone with broken shackles if you guys can't find the time to do it yourselves. It will only take about five minutes. Or is Apple paying for you to imply that jailbreaking is only done by low lifes and thieves? Now before anyone gets bent out of shape that is a legitimate speculation. Tech blogs are a business, and it's very possible that Apple is a sponsor, but being as now days journalist don't feel the need to be up front about corporate sponsorship it's a fair question. So I'm not saying there is a definite bias, just wanting to know why every Jailbreak article has to use the lil pirate iPhone. When it clearly implies a negative , when the jailbreaking is not the source of any real problems, but a tool.

Apple doesn't have to try so hard to block jailbreakers.

In fact, I don't think they do try very hard at all.

They do appear to devote a minimum of attention to it, just to maintain plausible deny-ability and keep the carriers happy.

It costs less than one person's time. (Because that's how this level of programming is done, one or two brains. It takes longer to explain it to a co-worker than to fix the problem, there is simply no room for a "team".).

Nothing at all is stolen. Download pristine Apple binaries, apply a bitmap of changes, and install on your phone.

Just read it, good thing WSJ content is free in the iPhone app. Kinda boring...interesting though that it's teens among the group that is foiling Apple's top engineers being able to break open the iPhone from it's locks.

These people aren't stealing anything. They are RETURNING control of YOUR PHONE to YOU.

They make no money. They simply make changes in the Apple software you are running anyway.

In the US, defeating Carrier Locks is not against the law. It is only Apple's opinion that Jailbreaking is against the law. They haven't had the balls to test this in court (knowing they would lose). They merely wrote a letter to the FCC stating this citing no court rulings.

No EvilHomer, you can't make a believable case that these are career criminals, or that they are stealing anything. You can't even make a believable case that they are breaking any laws.

I've about worn out my welcome by pumping these Articles to Rene. But I believe they are pertinent to the User Community.

And this issue isn't going away anytime soon.

In fact, it seems more and more likely that Congress, the FTC, or the FCC will take action to FORCE Apple to remove Carrier locks, and force carriers to unlock phones after completion of Contract or payment of ETF.

And as long as you make no warranty claims against Apple, they have no compelling reason to prevent you from running any hacked software you want on Your phone.

SEE: Some iPhone owners crave freedom to unlock from AT&T http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/telecom/2009-07-06-wireless-iphone-lock_N.htm

But he is like the guy who made the site. Some of the users have done illegal things. The MOST apple can do to him is give him a Cease and Desist order. But that doesnt stop hacking

There is nothing Apple can do but release firmware every 3 weeks to slow them done. Its similar to the music game. In the future, within 2 years Iphones will be $150 for a 32Gb Thanks to Ari.

Keep up the good work Ari, the people will benifit regardless.

Please read the article before getting on your soap box and complaining about hackers stealing "money". Jailbreaking an iPhone, by itself, is not stealing from anybody.

And, it seems Ari does make an honest living getting paid to help friends and relatives with their computer problems. Saying he should pay bills like "big boys" is a jerk comment. He's only 15.

People illegally downloading music and movies is a totally different topic.

For instance, criminals don't become cops even though they understand the criminal mind and might be good at it on some level. The rest of that is most hackers, like criminals, lack respect for authority, don't want responsibility, and shun limitations and rules that would be set upon them by working in the "legit" world.

People glorify hackers the same way that bank robbers were glorified during the Depression. The excuse that if it weren't for hackers, software companies wouldn't know about security holes and be able to patch them. But then you could argue that if it weren't for hackers, you wouldn't have to worry about those holes. Either way, you can give them a little credit for that much.

However, the majority of hackers aren't so "helpful" in just trying to expose security issues. Most looks for ways to cheat software developers and distributors out of revenue. Sure, it's great that you can jailbreak an iPhone to put homebrew apps on it, but they didn't stop there. Someone created an application that would allow users to STEAL iPhone apps. This takes money out of developers pockets, raises the cost of the application, and deters many developers from creating new titles. There is no point to working if someone is just going to steal everything from you.

I see so many people in these forums that think that stealing software and music and movies is not the same and stealing money from someone's wallet. That's what they are doing. Stealing a person's intellectual property is the same as stealing a person's car.

If you steal software, music, movies, books, etc., you are a thief, plain and simple. You can try and justify it all you want by citing greedy music industry fat cats, or over paid performers but the simple fact is that you are a thief.

That said, I agree with you. They should get out of the basement and try paying some bills like big boys and girls by writing legit software. Then they might have a different view of "hacking" when it hits them in the wallet.