Comments on: Adobe Getting Snarky Over Flash on iPhone http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/ More of everything iPhone and iPad Sun, 27 May 2012 05:00:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: doudo http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-154170 doudo Mon, 31 May 2010 12:24:23 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-154170 <p>gratse per touti chkran lakom gami3an doudo tanx hai</p> gratse per touti chkran lakom gami3an doudo tanx hai

]]> By: doudo http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-154169 doudo Mon, 31 May 2010 12:23:38 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-154169 <p>gratse per touti chkran lakom gami3an</p> gratse per touti chkran lakom gami3an

]]> By: doudo http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-154168 doudo Mon, 31 May 2010 12:22:29 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-154168 <p>gratse per touti</p> gratse per touti

]]> By: Kaax http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-122877 Kaax Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:54:27 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-122877 <p>Flash player</p> Flash player

]]> By: William Chadwick http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-104922 William Chadwick Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:48:19 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-104922 <p>The Flash platform has come a long, long way. Many of the comments here reflect a deep ignorance of how ubiquitous, stable, powerful and optimized the new Flash experience is. Apple is afraid of competition. Period. They are going to loose $$ because of it. They have already lost money because of it. I had to go with a different device because of the iPhone's lack of support for Flash. If Apple listened to their customers/potential customers, Flash would be available for the iPhone.</p> The Flash platform has come a long, long way. Many of the comments here reflect a deep ignorance of how ubiquitous, stable, powerful and optimized the new Flash experience is. Apple is afraid of competition. Period. They are going to loose $$ because of it. They have already lost money because of it. I had to go with a different device because of the iPhone's lack of support for Flash. If Apple listened to their customers/potential customers, Flash would be available for the iPhone.

]]> By: tombow http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-93361 tombow Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:04:46 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-93361 <p>It seems, so many of you iPhone zombies are so enamored by your iPhone, that you're willingly to bash just about anything that doesn't fit into your precious iPhone frame of view. To me, this sounds like a case of Fox calling the grapes sour, because it cannot reach them.</p> <p>Why don't you guys blame Apple, when the blame rests squarely on their shoulders? The iPhone and its OS is just as proprietary and closed as flash - it’s no different.</p> <p>If flash was available for the iPhone, giving Apple has a penchant for intuitiveness, I'm sure they'd have a switch in their web browser to turn off flash - end of problem for all who don't want flash. That wouldn’t be so hard, would it?</p> It seems, so many of you iPhone zombies are so enamored by your iPhone, that you're willingly to bash just about anything that doesn't fit into your precious iPhone frame of view. To me, this sounds like a case of Fox calling the grapes sour, because it cannot reach them.

Why don't you guys blame Apple, when the blame rests squarely on their shoulders? The iPhone and its OS is just as proprietary and closed as flash - it’s no different.

If flash was available for the iPhone, giving Apple has a penchant for intuitiveness, I'm sure they'd have a switch in their web browser to turn off flash - end of problem for all who don't want flash. That wouldn’t be so hard, would it?

]]> By: Lazy Man and Money http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-93298 Lazy Man and Money Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:44:33 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-93298 <p>For those that see Flash as a "CPU-hogging, bloated pig-ware", it's worth noting that demos on Android devices (as previously linked) and Palm Pre (http://www.palmpixi.org/palm-pixi-webos-flash-10/) run very smoothly. The Palm Pre version actually shows multiple instances of Flash running in a multi-tasking environment.</p> <p>Since the iPhone can record video which requires saving and compressing significant information to storage, it should surely be able to handle playing Flash. If it really can't, then one has to wonder why the iPhone is underpowered when compared to Palm and Android devices.</p> <p>I don't see the security risk that Flash presents as some mentioned. It's a player that's on 99.9% of the computers out there today and they seem to be working. Plus Apple products are fairly virus-free to begin with. So you have software that is relatively virus-free (or else we'd all be in trouble on our computers) on hardware that is historically fairly virus-free. Sounds pretty good to me.</p> For those that see Flash as a "CPU-hogging, bloated pig-ware", it's worth noting that demos on Android devices (as previously linked) and Palm Pre (http://www.palmpixi.org/palm-pixi-webos-flash-10/) run very smoothly. The Palm Pre version actually shows multiple instances of Flash running in a multi-tasking environment.

Since the iPhone can record video which requires saving and compressing significant information to storage, it should surely be able to handle playing Flash. If it really can't, then one has to wonder why the iPhone is underpowered when compared to Palm and Android devices.

I don't see the security risk that Flash presents as some mentioned. It's a player that's on 99.9% of the computers out there today and they seem to be working. Plus Apple products are fairly virus-free to begin with. So you have software that is relatively virus-free (or else we'd all be in trouble on our computers) on hardware that is historically fairly virus-free. Sounds pretty good to me.

]]> By: Lordzod01 http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91616 Lordzod01 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:16:25 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91616 <p>Flash might suck and maybe people don't way to play daft Internet games. The point is sites like eBay require flash, even the app comes up with flash player required. Alot of the everday sites on the Internet require some sort of player to assist the site. For everybody saying it isn't needed there people who require it, why not just add it. YouTube isn't the be-all and end all. If apple are going to keep up they are going to need a full browser not this mobile rubbish. It's inevitable that it will happen, so sooner is better.</p> Flash might suck and maybe people don't way to play daft Internet games. The point is sites like eBay require flash, even the app comes up with flash player required. Alot of the everday sites on the Internet require some sort of player to assist the site. For everybody saying it isn't needed there people who require it, why not just add it. YouTube isn't the be-all and end all. If apple are going to keep up they are going to need a full browser not this mobile rubbish. It's inevitable that it will happen, so sooner is better.

]]> By: ari-free http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91606 ari-free Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:47:58 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91606 <p>Flash isn't a big deal to the techies that know the difference between HTML4 and HTML5. But it <em>is</em> a big deal for the casual users who are the primary focus of the iPhone. There's a bird watching app 'for that' but nothing for what most people use on the web every single day?</p> Flash isn't a big deal to the techies that know the difference between HTML4 and HTML5. But it is a big deal for the casual users who are the primary focus of the iPhone. There's a bird watching app 'for that' but nothing for what most people use on the web every single day?

]]> By: av http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91480 av Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:46:47 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91480 <p>@thedeadbaby:</p> <p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZLOndllpUM</p> @thedeadbaby:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZLOndllpUM

]]> By: Keil Miller http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91358 Keil Miller Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:35:38 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91358 <p>Boo hoo. Flash sucks anyways. I don't even want it on my mac.</p> Boo hoo. Flash sucks anyways. I don't even want it on my mac.

]]> By: thedeadbaby http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91315 thedeadbaby Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:53:17 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91315 <p>@av: The android browser Doesn't support flash. It is supposedly coming to Pre and Android next year. </p> <p>As for the article, </p> <p>I don't see why flash is such a big deal. Like one commenter said as long as we can do youtube, I'm fine. However, I think if Apple wants to stay in the game, and not get beat by android or....pre, then they should allow some developers access to safari. I wonder if apple is worried at all by the droid?</p> @av: The android browser Doesn't support flash. It is supposedly coming to Pre and Android next year.

As for the article,

I don't see why flash is such a big deal. Like one commenter said as long as we can do youtube, I'm fine. However, I think if Apple wants to stay in the game, and not get beat by android or....pre, then they should allow some developers access to safari. I wonder if apple is worried at all by the droid?

]]> By: OmariJames http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91231 OmariJames Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:10:57 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91231 <p>Hpw about : " our flash software uses too many resources such as CPU , RAM, and battery power. When we get our shet together we will contact Apple "</p> Hpw about : " our flash software uses too many resources such as CPU , RAM, and battery power. When we get our shet together we will contact Apple "

]]> By: igorsky http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91221 igorsky Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:42:47 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91221 <p>I'm with Adobe on this one. Safari for iPhone needs some sort of Flash capability to be a true mobile browser. Period.</p> I'm with Adobe on this one. Safari for iPhone needs some sort of Flash capability to be a true mobile browser. Period.

]]> By: fassy http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91211 fassy Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:58:10 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91211 <p>@icebike</p> <p>Now <em>that</em> is snarky :) True, but snarky.</p> <p>Though, to even out the snark, the full text should be:</p> <p>"Apple will not allow our bloated pig-ware onto the iPhone because it is a security risk, a processor hog, and it would allow people to develop applications and games for the iPhone without going through a lengthy approval process or giving Apple a 30% cut."</p> <p>Come to think of it, the current text is fine as is.</p> @icebike

Now that is snarky :) True, but snarky.

Though, to even out the snark, the full text should be:

"Apple will not allow our bloated pig-ware onto the iPhone because it is a security risk, a processor hog, and it would allow people to develop applications and games for the iPhone without going through a lengthy approval process or giving Apple a 30% cut."

Come to think of it, the current text is fine as is.

]]> By: Elric http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91207 Elric Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:40:19 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91207 <p>I do not want to "hit the duck" or "count the balls" on my iPhone. I also would not let my child visit Webkins on my iPhone.</p> <p>So please, no Flash.</p> I do not want to "hit the duck" or "count the balls" on my iPhone. I also would not let my child visit Webkins on my iPhone.

So please, no Flash.

]]> By: Jimmy http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91200 Jimmy Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:53:02 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91200 <p>Or what about VLC Player for the iPhone, that app plays almost every format out there and uses little resources to run.</p> Or what about VLC Player for the iPhone, that app plays almost every format out there and uses little resources to run.

]]> By: icebike http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91192 icebike Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:23:10 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91192 <p>Not snarky.</p> <p>However, also not revealing of the whole reason for Flashes absence on the iphone. Its not like Adobe is unaware of the reason.</p> <p>They could have said: Apple will not allow our bloated pig-ware onto the iPhone because it is a security risk and a processor hog.</p> Not snarky.

However, also not revealing of the whole reason for Flashes absence on the iphone. Its not like Adobe is unaware of the reason.

They could have said: Apple will not allow our bloated pig-ware onto the iPhone because it is a security risk and a processor hog.

]]> By: J. Carlos mata http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91188 J. Carlos mata Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:03:21 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91188 <p>Nice, clean and straight to the point information. Keep it up.</p> Nice, clean and straight to the point information. Keep it up.

]]> By: Lordzod01 http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91186 Lordzod01 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:01:01 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91186 <p>Flash, silverlight ect. I don't really care who or how; I just wish something could be implemented. I'm fed up of visiting sites requiring flash. I mean for instance the facebook app works fine, yet I still can't play the games on my 3G. I can wait for now and hopefully it will come with the next iPhone on 4.0.</p> Flash, silverlight ect. I don't really care who or how; I just wish something could be implemented. I'm fed up of visiting sites requiring flash. I mean for instance the facebook app works fine, yet I still can't play the games on my 3G. I can wait for now and hopefully it will come with the next iPhone on 4.0.

]]> By: pn2bade http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91184 pn2bade Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:48:29 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91184 <p>All I want to do is play videos that are not in YouTube or that are not in .mp4 or .mov format. Is that too much to ask?</p> All I want to do is play videos that are not in YouTube or that are not in .mp4 or .mov format. Is that too much to ask?

]]> By: fastlane http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91182 fastlane Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:47:31 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91182 <p>There's absolutely nothing "snarky" nor inappropriate about Adobe's message... regardless of what anyone thinks of the technology.</p> There's absolutely nothing "snarky" nor inappropriate about Adobe's message... regardless of what anyone thinks of the technology.

]]> By: Liam http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91180 Liam Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:42:11 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91180 <p>I love my iPhone but yes I do want flash that would make it way better than what it already is.</p> I love my iPhone but yes I do want flash that would make it way better than what it already is.

]]> By: bugs http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91176 bugs Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:33:26 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91176 <p>flash was good only due to the start of the popularity of the web and java scripts back in the 90's it became a bloated spyware in y2k onward.</p> flash was good only due to the start of the popularity of the web and java scripts back in the 90's it became a bloated spyware in y2k onward.

]]> By: bugs http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91173 bugs Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:27:00 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91173 <p>flash can burn in hell, its the bigest peice of shit ever created. it was new when the web was booming but its still garbage. </p> <p>i rather see silverlight then flash support.</p> flash can burn in hell, its the bigest peice of shit ever created. it was new when the web was booming but its still garbage.

i rather see silverlight then flash support.

]]> By: dev http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91172 dev Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:26:15 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91172 <p>@Virtuous</p> <p>The Flash specification is published. Only Adobe can <em>change</em> the specification, but anybody, including Apple, can make their own player and implementation by following the spec:</p> <p>http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/</p> @Virtuous

The Flash specification is published. Only Adobe can change the specification, but anybody, including Apple, can make their own player and implementation by following the spec:

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/

]]> By: frog http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91169 frog Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:09:18 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91169 <p>Flash can bring my MacBook Pro to it's knees in a matter of minutes, I'd hate to see how my iPhone would cope. YouTube works, and I don't need flash for anything else (not a fan of monkey banner ads)</p> Flash can bring my MacBook Pro to it's knees in a matter of minutes, I'd hate to see how my iPhone would cope. YouTube works, and I don't need flash for anything else (not a fan of monkey banner ads)

]]> By: fassy http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91168 fassy Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:05:06 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91168 <p>This does not seem snarky in the least. A non-trivial percentage of customers want Flash on the iphone, and would first turn to Adobe to get a player and complain to Adobe if one is not available. Adobe has been on record for over a year saying they want to make an iphone flash player, but Apple's terms prohibit it. A snarky response would restate part of this history, but this just seems a simple statement of the facts of the situation.</p> <p>How else could Adobe respond to those people?</p> This does not seem snarky in the least. A non-trivial percentage of customers want Flash on the iphone, and would first turn to Adobe to get a player and complain to Adobe if one is not available. Adobe has been on record for over a year saying they want to make an iphone flash player, but Apple's terms prohibit it. A snarky response would restate part of this history, but this just seems a simple statement of the facts of the situation.

How else could Adobe respond to those people?

]]> By: Virtuous http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91167 Virtuous Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:01:33 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91167 <p>Flash is proprietary, closed and a resource hog. Flash deserves to fade away in favor of HTML 5.</p> Flash is proprietary, closed and a resource hog. Flash deserves to fade away in favor of HTML 5.

]]> By: av http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91164 av Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:00:26 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91164 <p>The Android browser supports Flash.</p> The Android browser supports Flash.

]]> By: dev http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91162 dev Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:59:17 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91162 <p>Once again, Java and .NET VMs are not interpreters. Arguably, neither is Flash, though that is close enough for government work...</p> Once again, Java and .NET VMs are not interpreters. Arguably, neither is Flash, though that is close enough for government work...

]]> By: firesign http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91160 firesign Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:53:34 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91160 <p>i hope the resource pig security hole known as flash never gets on the iphone. adobe sucks. a lot.</p> i hope the resource pig security hole known as flash never gets on the iphone. adobe sucks. a lot.

]]> By: Rene Ritchie http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91149 Rene Ritchie Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:34:07 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91149 <p>Skyfire is a proxy browser. It doesn't render Flash, it renders the whole website on their servers then sends a representation to your device. That breaks SSL and hopefully as bandwidth gets better, won't be needed anymore (like how dial-up accelerators have faded in the face of broadband).</p> Skyfire is a proxy browser. It doesn't render Flash, it renders the whole website on their servers then sends a representation to your device. That breaks SSL and hopefully as bandwidth gets better, won't be needed anymore (like how dial-up accelerators have faded in the face of broadband).

]]> By: Guido http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91148 Guido Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:30:13 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91148 <p>Wow, hostile much?</p> Wow, hostile much?

]]> By: BBYM http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91147 BBYM Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:24:37 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91147 <p>If skyfire was Iphone compatible that would do it for me also.</p> If skyfire was Iphone compatible that would do it for me also.

]]> By: Last http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91146 Last Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:20:05 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91146 <p>First </p> First 

]]> By: Luc Richard http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91144 Luc Richard Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:19:56 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91144 <p>Hah that sucks.</p> Hah that sucks.

]]> By: BBYM http://www.imore.com/2009/11/03/adobe-snarky-flash-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-91145 BBYM Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:19:56 +0000 http://www.theiphoneblog.com/?p=14418#comment-91145 <p>I can't wait for flash support on iPhone! That's the only thing I miss from my n95..</p> I can't wait for flash support on iPhone! That's the only thing I miss from my n95..

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