iMore show 442: Photos for Mac beta!

The iMore show brings you everything you need to know about the week in iPhone, iPad, Mac, and Apple! On this episode The Photos for Mac beta is here and Rene and Serenity have spent as much time as possible testing it out. Now they're here to answer questions and give (preliminary) opinions! Also: New columns!

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Rene Ritchie

Rene Ritchie is one of the most respected Apple analysts in the business, reaching a combined audience of over 40 million readers a month. His YouTube channel, Vector, has over 90 thousand subscribers and 14 million views and his podcasts, including Debug, have been downloaded over 20 million times. He also regularly co-hosts MacBreak Weekly for the TWiT network and co-hosted CES Live! and Talk Mobile. Based in Montreal, Rene is a former director of product marketing, web developer, and graphic designer. He's authored several books and appeared on numerous television and radio segments to discuss Apple and the technology industry. When not working, he likes to cook, grapple, and spend time with his friends and family.

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  • Windows Support is what drove me back to OneDrive. Photo Stream and iCloud Photo Sharing is supported on Windows, if I want that. This isn't, and I don't like the way it manages photos. The organizational tools are poor and it's hard to nest things. I can't go All-Apple. I like having some diversity and the Windows Software Ecosystem is so superior that I cannot leave that OS completely. I have an iMac and an iPhone, but my Notebook runs Windows (and, frankly, OS X isn't any better or even much different IMO), and I need my Photos to be easily available and not from a Broken Web-App. That means Google and Apple are out. It's too hard to reclaim your data from those systems if you aren't using their christened software. I'm most disgusted with the Web App, which seems like it was thrown together in a few days and then deployed to the web. The iCloud Photos Web App: 1. Is very slow to reflect changes (uploads from the iPhone). It will say "Updating..." forever and not really show you what is clearly uploaded to it... 2. Is VERY limited in what you can upload. 3. Still leaves your Photos virtually inaccessible from your PC Natively, similar to Google Photos. 4. Has no Editing Features - at all (Google Photos is much better here, provided you use Chrome). And you cannot use 3rd party editors on those photos even on the desktop because it hasn't implemented extensibility... 5. Has severe issues with Bulk Downloading (skips a tons of photos/videos), which makes it extremely hard to move your Photos/Videos out of Apple's software if you're using anything they didn't make - for example, if you want to download them to import into a Windows Photo Management solution... 6. (This is a huge issue) Strips all Metadata/EXIF from Photos that you download through it. Geolocation, Camera Lens/Model, Exposure, Flash State, Aperture, etc. ALL GONE when downloading through the Web Interface. I understand you guys are an Apple-oriented Blog/Podcast, but a lot of iOS and even OS X users also use Windows, or Windows Software. I'm not asking Apple to produce a Windows version of Photos, but they have made it almost impossible to easily get stuff out of Photos onto a Windows Machine at all... Synching the Photos from the iPhone to a PC requires a convoluted system of Disabling iCloud Photos, Synching, and then Re-Enabling it, and of course it means you have to install iTunes on your PC, which is like a 500MB+ install package (which is not a trivial amount if you have a smaller SSD in your Notebook), among other things... iCloud Photos is like Fort Knox for your Photos. I prefer the way Microsoft is doing things with OneDrive to the way Apple and Google are doing things with iCloud/Google+ Photos, though Google's solution at least works properly. Apple's doesn't - it's just broken. And yea, it's beta, but I'm tired of companies putting out "broken" services and then excusing serious issues with the service because "it's beta." The Upload Speed from the iPhone is often at 56k Model levels, and of course it only works over WiFi AFAICT. I like my Photos to Back Up to a proper Directory Structure that I can manage. I can still use Tags and Albums in OneDrive, but I get to keep my Photos in a Hierarchy that I am comfortable with. Not just in some ridiculous container that chooses for me. Also, for media that has no date in the file, Photos just sort of puts it in a Moment by Date. I still have a Folder that I'd like those in, so that they are more organized. It's a hot mess. I don't disagree that the app "looks" decent and that it performs well... At least they're showing some progress. But I rather pay for a better solution than settle for this, given my experience with what they have out so far.
  • The good the bad and the ugly related to the new Photos app and the iCloud Photo library which no one is talking about: 1. The good. It allows for full backup of your entire library, which is a good thing for folks who don't take the time to back up their hard drives any other way. The ability to view all pictures on all platforms, the ability to edit and have it "pushed" to all your devices, but there is a caveat and it comes at price which needs to be measured carefully. 2. The bad. Large photo libraries will take a long, long, long time to upload, If you have a lot of pictures in your camera rolls, even longer. I ended up having to download my entire camera roll via Image Capture so that the process would continue. If you have a slow upload speed through your ISP, be prepared to wait a long time as well. I uploaded a library of over 35,000 pictures. 3. The ugly. Zero privacy and control over what you upload. Your entire library, all your albums get uploaded, as well as all your pictures. This mean that if you have pictures/albums that you would prefer not to have in iCloud, you need to move them to another space. This is self defeating in having Photos as your central repository for all your pictures. Gone is the ability to control which albums you want to sync across all devices and which you want to remain private. We'll see if Apple changes this is the future releases, but I don't think so. The fact that you have to refresh each album that downloads to your device manually in order to view the contents. Again, if you have a large library with a lot of albums, be prepared to take a lot of time doing this. You have to keep the album open, and constantly scroll through it for pics to download (my experience), it does not refresh automatically. The fact that all your pictures are pushed to your devices has created havoc with my iPad (128GB) and my Iphone 6 Plus (64gb). Both devices now show 100% occupied space, with pictures taking up almost 99% of the space. Not what I was expecting. Although the usage on the actual device shows less, iTunes appears not to be taking to Photos to sync this correctly. This resulted in having to turn off the iCloud switch, and restore the iPad from scratch, as I cannot eliminate the space which was taken up originally by the iCloud Library. Again, my take on the experience, but the hype, and the solution, is not for everyone.
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